I think anyone would agree nowadays there are more cheaters than there were in the past. You hear the "oldschoolers" whine about "randoms with 2 days old guids that own the shit". I can't deny I'm one of them. Why didn't we use to say this to unknown people? I can't remember even hearing about cheaters getting caught before the Dutch players Lucifer & copkiller. I remember people being shocked and upset by the news there were cheaters among people who were believed to be "respected" members of this community. How come now no one can be certain if someone is clean or not? Why don't we believe in the honesty of players?
I think one of the major reasons the whole cheaters-everywhere thing has gotten way out of hand is because of yawn.be. With the ability to yawn people we could check who a person was. I think in the beginning it was mostly used to check who you were playing in wars, fake nicking was even more popular back then. You could find out who someone was and where and with who he played. It was a gift of God, because the "pro's" couldn't fake nick anymore and you could tell all your friends you played <enter randomname>! Not too long ago there was a new feature added to yawn. Yawn was connected to pbbans and violations with punkbuster were added to their yawns. In the beginning this seemed like a good thing, you could now see who the person was you're playing and if he had any violation. In no time yawn became a tool often used by so called "cheatbusters".
Well what's negative about this? Isn't it a good thing cheaters get busted? Yes in its basics the new feature is a good thing and yes cheaters should be busted and banned. So what's the point of this column? Well I'd like to point out the down sides to this feature! It's in people's nature to be curious about things that are forbidden and therefore gamers are curious about cheats. I know I'm pretty damn curious about how it would be to play with a wallhack and not get busted. You used to be able to try a cheat on a random server and nothing would happen. You would know how it would be to cheat and that's it. No consequences! With the new yawn though you will get this nice red triangle behind your name and there is a big chance you will be banned from leagues such as ESL.
Another thing is that people that have tested a cheat will be called cheaters the rest of their ET career. I do not think this is fair, but hey you tested the cheat so bare the consequences. Something that isn't good and is somewhat forgotten is the fact that people get "busted" and not banned, because the evidence isn't enough. Even if these players aren't cheating, they will still be remembered as cheaters and will be looked upon as cheaters. People's reputation will be ruined and their chances to do well in ET with it. People can spoof their guids and ruin their reputation just because they don't like the player in question.
Last but not least is what the red triangle at yawn actually shows. Yawn streams pbbans.com and if there has been a violation with that is shown it will be behind the players name in yawn. Including these violations are cvars violations, but what does this actually show? It shows you have certain commands in your config and these will supposedly work with the cheat you're using. Is this real proof though? Am I a cheater for having certain commands in my config? No I'm not. It's not proof nor can it be used like this. Why do you put it behind my name at yawn and will everyone think I'm a cheater? It's just ridicolous. Again people's reputation can be ruined by such a simple thing as a cvar.
The reason why I'm writing this is because I'm sick and tired of the cheaters hype surrounding ET. I can't read a single journal on crossfire or play a game without people accusing each other. I have a new computer and therefore a new ETpro guid and pb guid, I was playing a 3on3 and got called a cheater. Why? Because of my new guid! Does someone need a yawn history of 2 years without any violation to not be called a cheater? And even if you have one, but you haven't played with known teams people will call you a cheater!
I hope this column will make some people think of how far ET has come. Is someone a cheater if they have tested a hack once or twice? What would this world be if we wouldn't give people a second chance? Should we accuse people just because we don't know them? How can you justify ruining someones reputation, just because you believe that person cheats?
I think one of the major reasons the whole cheaters-everywhere thing has gotten way out of hand is because of yawn.be. With the ability to yawn people we could check who a person was. I think in the beginning it was mostly used to check who you were playing in wars, fake nicking was even more popular back then. You could find out who someone was and where and with who he played. It was a gift of God, because the "pro's" couldn't fake nick anymore and you could tell all your friends you played <enter randomname>! Not too long ago there was a new feature added to yawn. Yawn was connected to pbbans and violations with punkbuster were added to their yawns. In the beginning this seemed like a good thing, you could now see who the person was you're playing and if he had any violation. In no time yawn became a tool often used by so called "cheatbusters".
Well what's negative about this? Isn't it a good thing cheaters get busted? Yes in its basics the new feature is a good thing and yes cheaters should be busted and banned. So what's the point of this column? Well I'd like to point out the down sides to this feature! It's in people's nature to be curious about things that are forbidden and therefore gamers are curious about cheats. I know I'm pretty damn curious about how it would be to play with a wallhack and not get busted. You used to be able to try a cheat on a random server and nothing would happen. You would know how it would be to cheat and that's it. No consequences! With the new yawn though you will get this nice red triangle behind your name and there is a big chance you will be banned from leagues such as ESL.
Another thing is that people that have tested a cheat will be called cheaters the rest of their ET career. I do not think this is fair, but hey you tested the cheat so bare the consequences. Something that isn't good and is somewhat forgotten is the fact that people get "busted" and not banned, because the evidence isn't enough. Even if these players aren't cheating, they will still be remembered as cheaters and will be looked upon as cheaters. People's reputation will be ruined and their chances to do well in ET with it. People can spoof their guids and ruin their reputation just because they don't like the player in question.
Last but not least is what the red triangle at yawn actually shows. Yawn streams pbbans.com and if there has been a violation with that is shown it will be behind the players name in yawn. Including these violations are cvars violations, but what does this actually show? It shows you have certain commands in your config and these will supposedly work with the cheat you're using. Is this real proof though? Am I a cheater for having certain commands in my config? No I'm not. It's not proof nor can it be used like this. Why do you put it behind my name at yawn and will everyone think I'm a cheater? It's just ridicolous. Again people's reputation can be ruined by such a simple thing as a cvar.
The reason why I'm writing this is because I'm sick and tired of the cheaters hype surrounding ET. I can't read a single journal on crossfire or play a game without people accusing each other. I have a new computer and therefore a new ETpro guid and pb guid, I was playing a 3on3 and got called a cheater. Why? Because of my new guid! Does someone need a yawn history of 2 years without any violation to not be called a cheater? And even if you have one, but you haven't played with known teams people will call you a cheater!
I hope this column will make some people think of how far ET has come. Is someone a cheater if they have tested a hack once or twice? What would this world be if we wouldn't give people a second chance? Should we accuse people just because we don't know them? How can you justify ruining someones reputation, just because you believe that person cheats?
ich hab mit rubbeldreads angefangen, im mom hab ich aber nur nen fetten afro dadurch :p
beim zweiten anlauf hab ich es für 250€ bei nem friseur machen lassen. der hat sich strähnen abgetrennt per haargummi, dann mit haarschaum befeuchtet, dann 1h unter ne trockenhaube gepackt damit sie spröde werden, dann dicht an der kopfhaut nen knoten an die strähne gepackt, mitm kamm ausgebürstet, dass sie komplett kaputt und bauschig wurden und dann die enden mit nem bindfaden zugebunden. am anfang standen sie stark vom kopf ab, aber mit der zeit haben sie sich gelegt und sie wurden vernünfitg.
komische methode :p
vor allem das mit der haube...
ich werd das mit dem rubbeln wohl lassen, ich verlier dabei jedesmal nen riesen haufen haare :/
das problem ist nur, wenn ich jetzt aufhöre, muss ich warten bis sie lang genug sind, und das wird wohl erst im winter oder so sein :<
aber 250 euro ist schon arg viel...
hast du mehr bilder von deinen dreads?
;-)
Now it's funny, back then it wasn't. That guy was a blacksheep of the whole community. If someone gets busted today it's just a random shrug and everyone keeps playing.
Nowadays we have Krp and other "clans" or players which have made the cheating as a trend and are dedicated to ruin others games. Also we have lot's of guys with red triangle in yawn that if one wants to play "clear" game against "clear" players that ain't even possible.
And then we have lot's of guys who just blame, flame, rage and act somewhat stupidly when getting owned in the game. Just dying once is a sing that enemy is hacking and using all the hacks which can be found from the internet.
Two years back everyone played the pcw to end whatever the result was. The enemy could even ask for a seventh player if the other team wasn't enough good to have a change so everyone could have fun when playing. Not today...
Why do I open my mind in here? Becouse I try to change something? Becouse I try to tell who fun it was playing ET a year ago? Nah, I'm trying to get you accept that the scene is rotten and ET has died (at least in my eyes) a long time ago.
Wondering even why I play ET anymore, it must the great friends with which I've been playing for years, or the great gameplay what ET has and the feeling of succes when our team gets the objective done and wins the match were there cheaters as a enemy or not.
I'll fix typos and stuff later if I'm interested enough.
fitting evan would reply to this
Funny how you first blame Krp as a hacking clan and then you come and say people easily blame other's as hackers. And yes Krp has many busted players and yes they have hacked, but still it's not their trend, they usually play without hacks.
And yes they can hack, and they hack sometimes at pubs afaik, but since they can play at the same level without hacks, I suppose they are not hacking and atleast they are funny guys, what as I noticed was the thing that is keeping Varma in the game.
True, they can be very nice guys in vent, im not critiziting that at all and fun is the most important thing in gaming.
But you cant say clan like KRP is clean just because you 've seen them. Ofcourse they are playing without more than with but still theres always this file in their ET-folder what they can put ON if they like.
KRP is like bad version of one old finnish clan 03-04 who were hacking too, and that time it was much easier if you knew right resources. KRP, just like them played some time and when skill was not enough, getting hacks was an easy solution. Its a shame talented players will screw their reputation with playing hacks or/and playing with hackers. They could be as easily be respected and known players in community and still have as much fun as they having now.
Well I can't see the things that make them hack sometimes since I haven't been at that cheating scene.
The only bad thing there is, when you go and play really nicely without hacks and you get just that feeling when making the obj and playing as a team, people still say you are hackers and won cause of that.
And I'm not saying KRP is clean clan, they are definatetly not. (or how do you write that ;)
Going to get some sleep bb good night and stuff.
Funny while beeing part of cheater-clan you'll never know if others are cheating or not. You could just say Im not cheating when I actually am. And when you have the bad reputation, you'll always seen as 'teh hacker' even if you would be playing clean. But that thing cheaters doesn't usually care about because they have taken a role or place in community. Sometimes nick/clan change could help something, until your previous nick is revealed and reputation once again screwed.
No doubt there are people who have got busted who were genuinely (and stupidly) just trying it out of curiosity, but there is no way to tell those from the serious cheaters.
The amount of conflict caused by cheat accusations is as bad as the actual problems caused by cheaters, but that is inevitable when there are a significant number of actual cheaters. This is especially true in ET, since the same relatively few smacktards can keep coming back over and over.
Nice read btw, I agree on what you said, in times of ppl being "busted" just for a cvar on a public, CB should take another look at their rules.
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you are - why would you put cvars in your config if you dont use them? and you as a player have to take care of your own config... dont download highcfgs with a wrong cvar - or downlod it but check it twice before using... and the case that a server forces a cvar is like 0,0000001% if not you are playing on the wrong servers ;p
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO EVERY PLAYER TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CONFIGS N STUFF??????? IT IS NOT
You cant expect to be wise and google every single cvar they have on their cfg. If you are a beginner you DO all the tweaking from menus, you dont know what the cvars means inside the file. And when finally you hear that you CAN ACTUALLY download other player's cfgs, you do that. You dont look whats there inside the file simply because you dont understand word about that.
And even if you actually know stuff, why would you expect some1 having wrong cvars in cfg. You dont, thats why you trust the player and just put file on your folder.
I've experienced this myself. For putting myself a 'cheater'-cvar in my cvar and joining telenet to see what it does. I got red trianges and some people are still keeping me as a hacker. Tho, I haven't been banned to anywhere. And still there is leagues and people you are banned just for fucking cvars. For example speedy and lot more too. How can anyone treat people differently? If you have triangles after this date you 'll banned. If you did it before. You'll get nothing. Atleast leagues should keep up on their rules and not be ridiculously stupid that banning 'just' the new warnings.
Cvar warnings AINT cheats, it is just a cvar. What can be received by another config, thats pure injustice to even get people suspicious because of it.
I hope you can say to everyone who downloaded my xfire cfg and got 'triangled' and kicked from their clans that they are just pure hackers because of ONE CVAR WARNING. I couldn't do that because I knew what was really behind all that.
I hope you get a red warning for cvar and you 'll get banned for lifetime for every league there is.
now i'm "cheater for life", thats why my et career is over
too bad, but et is dead for me :sad:
Best example was when we played 6on6 with Reikkeri and he was a sniper all the time. Well.. Reikkeri is not the best sniper around but after he got few frags the enemy started to rage and put R to spec and locked the teams etc etc...
I lol'ed cuz it kinda looked like u were forcing him into calling u a cheater :DD
Varma on 12/05/07, 02:03:34
wanhaomena is just some wnb-r-tard and uses gayface noobhaxes.
you cant ruin someones reputation like this
Yawn is a good tool as it also stops hackers using pro players' names in an attempt to convince the other players that they are pro rather than cheating.
However, can't seem to agree regarding the testing of hacks. You know what happened to the cat when it became curious?
What is the fun in 'testing' out a hack on a public server? When does it stop being 'testing' and become a regular occurance on other servers? Other people on the public server weren't having fun, so think it is very self-centred and selfish thing to do, even if it was to 'test' hacks. And those qualities I would associate with hackers :-S
Mud sticks, but do think on most occasions it should. Once you've done 'testing' a hack on a public server, it then lead to see how far you can take it without being caught. Hacks play on peoples egos, once people start to cheat I can't see them wanting or willing to go back without them. The ego is already built up using the hack and I honestly don't see hackers playing and getting owned without it.
The most important things of your column. Don't try any kind of cheat ! Except in unofficial LAN with friends who know about it.
Yeah agree with most parts, thing is that the anticheat policy sucks and ppl know it, though ppl like bulldog are trying their best. Ow and i dont think the "only once on public" is a valid excuse andthat we should pardon those ppl, like ur suggesting.
The problem is that there are alot of hackers these days and yawn is the only way to verify a player his skill, and even then u can never be sure. And u have to admit that ppl with just two yawn entries arent rly a common thing and mostly mean hackers who took a fresh start.
What makes me suspicious is that all of my friends and myself have very normal yawn entries, whilst i changed comps three times. Not rly any abnomality in them, so i usually dont get why other ppl dont have this.
The ET community is getting paranoia, but getting accused of hax is just funny if u have nothing to hide imo...
And I would like to quote
This is the current ET community. GG
shy and keran used it on public, nice for them, and now we can move on with our lives.
wise words wsk, wise words =D
nice read btw =)
I agree on that people are too paranoid with the cheatah thingy idd.
I honestly dont care if they call me a cheater, as long as my e-mates know i dont.
Edit: NICE READ!
WE ARE GOING TO BE MORE TOLERANT ??(perhaps create leagues for them and become friends and stuff ? )
CHEATERS ARE CHEATERS DON'T CARE IF IT WAS FOR ONE HOUR OR SINCE BEGINNING
BUSTED SHOULD BE = BAN FROM LEAGUES + BAN FROM SERVERS + FORUMS BAN + PUBLIC HUMILIATION
i dont know where to get them
i dont know how to install them
and i dont want to know
cheats is cheats . BAN
and if you dont wanne ban players who cheated on public
then why dont you make 2-3 public servers without PB
so in these 2-3 publics then can hack and test all they want
( then they can hack against other hackers )
u wanna try drugs just 4 fun? or shop lifting?
The thrill u get while doing it might be nice but u cant say u were ignorant of the fact that It's totally not allowed..
'just tried it' is not a defense.
news: IT DOESNT MAKE IT ANY LESS DETESTABLE
I'm pretty sure quite some of the players who cheat in publics also do so in competition. Doesn't have to be blatant aimbots: wallhack, aimbots with humanized settings, no damage feedback etc. If only more private servers streamed to PsB / PBbans.. But this isn't the case, so we have to base our banning on bans which occur on public servers, if we want the illusion of a clean competition.
Just a random rant, not necessarily directed to you Wesbo.
my answer is YES.. people who "test" hacks.. fuck them.. ban them.. oh,.,. maybe not fuck them.. would be a bit nasty..
I'm gonna break your balls everytime I see posts like this :D
but yeah.. ive dont my mistake.. break my balls for it:>
i wont do same mistake twice:>
I haven't been here for a while and it seems like 90% of news are about hacking.. ehm.. :/
Anyways, all ready for the summer? :)
always ready for the summer ofc !
If someone fake someone else, it could ruin their chances to get a good player in this game.
if you didnt know about that, fine change it and stop talking about it.
if you try something with the cvars you are not going to get fps or a hacked pornodialer for it so stop it.
if you try to jump from a bridge most people would say you will be dead for the rest of your life so stop cheating, what do you promise yourself from it ? Oh look its like the pbss on xfire.
applause applause ah look so small he is in spawn now apllause applause
if you try cheats on public evryone would accuse you to cheat evrytime my opinion : APLLAUSE APPLAUSE!!
it's true that just because you hacked once on a public, you're not a cheater forever (altho i do think everyone who ever cheated on whatever server should receive a permban for every possible game that will ever be developped).
but then again, you have to be consistent for the community's sake.
if you decide to give busted people a second chance, you're creating a situation where every busted player will say: "oh, but that was just one time on a public" and there won't be much you can do about it.