Well, I put the question to you. What is in fact worse than a cheater? If you’re pedantic and take the question out of context, there are a lot of things worse than a cheater. Rapists, arsonists, murderers all in my mind are worse than cheaters and I’m pretty sure most of you would agree. So let’s reel this in a bit.
I am of course talking about recent events in the somewhat body-blown world that is online ET. Now, many of you may ask what’s the point of this column? Do we really need someone else pointing out the flaws of the scene? We’re all well aware of the downfalls in this game and more importantly, our community. There’s no need to pour salt into the wounds. To be frank with you however, I’ve really needed to get something off of my chest.
Going back to my question, I’ve been itching to get this out in the open. Even if it falls on deaf ears, my mind will be at least resolved in some manner. Let me give you a glimpse into my mindset.
We know ET is writhe with cheaters, that’s nothing new. It has been like this for quite some time and even the best efforts from some mainstays in our community has not been enough to completely thwart the online cheating fiasco. I do realize the problem is greatly exaggerated and in fact, the scene itself if partially to blame for it’s own demise.
Anyway, back to my lingering point. The cheaters are there, we know who they are and in fact, it’s pretty easy to boycott anyone who is found to be breaking the rules. That’s easy. We all can play a part in shutting these people out with fantastic conviction with lasting results. It’s been shown in the past and hopefully, that vein will continue to reap rewards.
However, I’ve not really answered my question. All I have done is raise a new one. If cheaters are so easy to apprehend in our tight knit community, then are they really that bad? Don’t get me wrong, they are clearly lonely neglected people, who crave notoriety of some sort and daddy probably shouldn’t have tucked them in so hard at night but when it boils down to it, do we really hate them or do we just feel a significant amount of sympathy for them?
Right, ok, so if cheaters aren’t as bad as we say they are, what’s “worse” than a cheater? You may cry “Pedro good sir! What about the wretched monsters who fathom these online monstrosities? “ well, let’s look at them as well.
Now yes, the people who code these cheats clearly have a screw loose somewhere in the itinerary as well but at the end of the day, are they just meeting a public demand? If you have the ability to code and distribute such advanced software, what better way to fund yourself through school, than to spend time at your computer coding? If you’re studying Computer Science at some advanced level, coding such things wouldn’t require an insane amount of time or intellectual competence to achieve a working, practical product.
Can we really blame these people for exploiting a lucrative market to advance their place in life? We could but as we’ve seen before, if you oust one coder another one will take his place. It’s like
Highlander all over again.
Ok then, this has really gone beyond a joke. All I’ve done is raise more and more questions while at the same time, I’ve defended those so many people who we would look to hoist up on a large stick and burn them in to the ground.
So we’ve let those pesky cheaters away with murder and those coders have raped and pillaged their way through many a daddies wallet, what could be worse than those?
Well, we are. Whether it be the players who play with these cheaters or the mass hysteria surrounding the accused at hand, we are our own worst enemy.
Like I mentioned above, are the coders and cheaters a like really that bad? We have shown in the past these players can be banished from our community and we’ve shown we can triumph against the coders, why do we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot?
Let’s take two examples at hand. Two players,
gnajda and 
keNta, both with somewhat similar situations. Both when they played for two semi-respected teams in the ET scene, had a rise of fortune through the ranks to play for FF and 
kojak respectively. Both clearly had some dodgy shenanigans underway, however, two stories with two very different outcomes.
After masses of community disapproval and countless posted demos, keNta was poised on the plank, ready to go. There’s no way his team could overcome the pressure, so a decision had to be made. With a dilemma at hand, they had one of two choices. Defend their team-mate and somehow ignore the community or to kick him from the team. The hard choice was made, he had to go. With keNta kicked he was exposed for the true cheater he was and a valuable lesson was learned for everyone! Or was it?
Second example. gnajda. A mirror image of keNta’s story, the only difference so far in the comparison is the fact gnajda managed to make it so much further before he was stopped. Again, countless demos and community pressure, something had to be done. It was down to his team again, what would they do? Sadly, here’s where the stories differ. His team protected him against the face of adversity. Through thick and thin they where amigos, hombres, brothers at arms and just look what happened.
Such an insignificant minority could protect this player for such a long time, almost allowing FF to get a shot at EC glory. True, you could argue my comparisons are a little over the top. It’s a far fetched notion to say that kojak could have reached the EC final if they hadn’t kicked keNta, but who would have guessed FF could have done just that. I for one wouldn’t have, that’s for sure.
So finally, what’s worse than a cheater? The people who support them. The really sad part is that most of them are decent, honest players, who have made the wrong decision but just have a look at the consequences of that decision. It’s simply frightening.
We’ve gone over the mindset of a cheater and even someone who creates the cheat but these people are in my mind, simply the worst of all.
If we continue to support and uphold the guilty culprits, we will simply self-implode without the cheaters or coders batting an eye lid or overcoming themselves to notions of victory or glory. Just take a look at how much damage the whole gnajda incident could have caused, if it had continued without intervention.
The people who condone these acts are the ones that will destroy our community, not the directly guilty people who break the rules.
I am of course talking about recent events in the somewhat body-blown world that is online ET. Now, many of you may ask what’s the point of this column? Do we really need someone else pointing out the flaws of the scene? We’re all well aware of the downfalls in this game and more importantly, our community. There’s no need to pour salt into the wounds. To be frank with you however, I’ve really needed to get something off of my chest.
Going back to my question, I’ve been itching to get this out in the open. Even if it falls on deaf ears, my mind will be at least resolved in some manner. Let me give you a glimpse into my mindset.
We know ET is writhe with cheaters, that’s nothing new. It has been like this for quite some time and even the best efforts from some mainstays in our community has not been enough to completely thwart the online cheating fiasco. I do realize the problem is greatly exaggerated and in fact, the scene itself if partially to blame for it’s own demise.
Anyway, back to my lingering point. The cheaters are there, we know who they are and in fact, it’s pretty easy to boycott anyone who is found to be breaking the rules. That’s easy. We all can play a part in shutting these people out with fantastic conviction with lasting results. It’s been shown in the past and hopefully, that vein will continue to reap rewards.
However, I’ve not really answered my question. All I have done is raise a new one. If cheaters are so easy to apprehend in our tight knit community, then are they really that bad? Don’t get me wrong, they are clearly lonely neglected people, who crave notoriety of some sort and daddy probably shouldn’t have tucked them in so hard at night but when it boils down to it, do we really hate them or do we just feel a significant amount of sympathy for them?
Right, ok, so if cheaters aren’t as bad as we say they are, what’s “worse” than a cheater? You may cry “Pedro good sir! What about the wretched monsters who fathom these online monstrosities? “ well, let’s look at them as well.
Now yes, the people who code these cheats clearly have a screw loose somewhere in the itinerary as well but at the end of the day, are they just meeting a public demand? If you have the ability to code and distribute such advanced software, what better way to fund yourself through school, than to spend time at your computer coding? If you’re studying Computer Science at some advanced level, coding such things wouldn’t require an insane amount of time or intellectual competence to achieve a working, practical product.
Can we really blame these people for exploiting a lucrative market to advance their place in life? We could but as we’ve seen before, if you oust one coder another one will take his place. It’s like
Highlander all over again.Ok then, this has really gone beyond a joke. All I’ve done is raise more and more questions while at the same time, I’ve defended those so many people who we would look to hoist up on a large stick and burn them in to the ground.
So we’ve let those pesky cheaters away with murder and those coders have raped and pillaged their way through many a daddies wallet, what could be worse than those?
Well, we are. Whether it be the players who play with these cheaters or the mass hysteria surrounding the accused at hand, we are our own worst enemy.
Like I mentioned above, are the coders and cheaters a like really that bad? We have shown in the past these players can be banished from our community and we’ve shown we can triumph against the coders, why do we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot?
Let’s take two examples at hand. Two players,
gnajda and keNta, both with somewhat similar situations. Both when they played for two semi-respected teams in the ET scene, had a rise of fortune through the ranks to play for FF and kojak respectively. Both clearly had some dodgy shenanigans underway, however, two stories with two very different outcomes.After masses of community disapproval and countless posted demos, keNta was poised on the plank, ready to go. There’s no way his team could overcome the pressure, so a decision had to be made. With a dilemma at hand, they had one of two choices. Defend their team-mate and somehow ignore the community or to kick him from the team. The hard choice was made, he had to go. With keNta kicked he was exposed for the true cheater he was and a valuable lesson was learned for everyone! Or was it?
Second example. gnajda. A mirror image of keNta’s story, the only difference so far in the comparison is the fact gnajda managed to make it so much further before he was stopped. Again, countless demos and community pressure, something had to be done. It was down to his team again, what would they do? Sadly, here’s where the stories differ. His team protected him against the face of adversity. Through thick and thin they where amigos, hombres, brothers at arms and just look what happened.
Such an insignificant minority could protect this player for such a long time, almost allowing FF to get a shot at EC glory. True, you could argue my comparisons are a little over the top. It’s a far fetched notion to say that kojak could have reached the EC final if they hadn’t kicked keNta, but who would have guessed FF could have done just that. I for one wouldn’t have, that’s for sure.
So finally, what’s worse than a cheater? The people who support them. The really sad part is that most of them are decent, honest players, who have made the wrong decision but just have a look at the consequences of that decision. It’s simply frightening.
We’ve gone over the mindset of a cheater and even someone who creates the cheat but these people are in my mind, simply the worst of all.
If we continue to support and uphold the guilty culprits, we will simply self-implode without the cheaters or coders batting an eye lid or overcoming themselves to notions of victory or glory. Just take a look at how much damage the whole gnajda incident could have caused, if it had continued without intervention.
The people who condone these acts are the ones that will destroy our community, not the directly guilty people who break the rules.
(not a dig at milk and tekoa, just an example!)
Seriously though, you're making a good point, too bad there's no good solution to the problem. There are far too many retards who enjoy spending their time with blatant cheaters!
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1) They are friends with the accused and don't believe their "friend" could cheat.
2) They are friends with the cheater and know their "friend" cheats.
3) They just don't even look/watch the evidence and post because they want some attention via an argument.
All are a form of ignorance or stupidity which I'm afraid PB or ET-Ace do not defend against.
For example I know I, in the past, have played matches with a busted cheater. I dont condone hacking in a game and I dont and never will knowingly will play official matches with hackers but it has not stopped me, in the past, playing a scrim or on a public with a busted player - not because I agree with what they have done in the past, but because I have a friendship with them and enjoy playing a game with them.
I know the above statement may generate a degree of flame, but I doubt very much that I am the only person in that situation.
00:40 <@nViz> hehe
00:42 <@BLOBO> omg
00:42 <@BLOBO> what weed they have smoke to think something like that
00:42 <@BLOBO> xDDdd
edit: good column and nice pointing out the "cheater lovers". :P
(for those who don't/didn't know, die <-> eid was Sgt. Pepper - so that was a very nice team you played with)
Oh, and actually this is what I think is going to happen a lot anyway. People go "cool column, I agree", while they fall exactly under the category of players who are criticized by it...
to me theres a line between competition and just playing random games
and dont be so sure pepper and alexl cheat in every game they play
infact i would guess alexl havent cheated in a year or so based on the 3on3s ive played against him
also cant one make mistakes and notice it afterwards and change? thats what life is all about
THIS is a problem. Cheating is wrong, at any level, and there's no line anywhere. You just said you tolerate cheaters as long as they don't play in competition. Do you seriously mean that?
theres some good points in the column..
ill wait for the majority to deal with them right then its np for me to do it also :\
But a lot of people seem to do, and I try to hit them in the face whenever I see it. Remember, especially for people like you who are well known in the community and, for someone who want to grow their ego would be an honor to play with (Yes you get my point, [/fanboyism]), you actually playing with them communicates that cheats is fine with you.
Next thing you know they go for your precious competitions.
Play mixes with clean people instead, and thus grow new, clean talents to keep this game alive instead of supporting cheaters who ruin it. Yes it's hard to tell the difference, but it's better than just closing your eyes and say #care.
but i do play against them
2nd sentence = bad to hear
But nobody's perfect, at least you engage in this debate unlike so many others.. Good night!
It's not the cheaters/ cheater defenders' fault. They are just retarded, they blow, they want to get better. It's leagues' fault for not banning them for life.
LetTosspoT organize an online league with some cash prize (nothing big just something... maybe mice, mousepads etc) and kick all random fucks who have been busted. If some1 still cheats then kick him and the team he played for. You think the people who played with him will be happy that they missed the chance to WIN money by playing a free video game?
haha just playing cer :D
competive gaming made u forget to most important thing when it comes to playing... To have fun while doing it... Me and my team mates enjoy playing against cheaters... They are almost skilled, and we got a lot of laught..
its impossible to get rid of cheaters no mather what u do...
competition is the most fun side in ET for me atleast enjoying cheaters stops as soon as u loose against them ^^
when i lose to cheater i always say to myself - "he was so obvious, no way i could win!" and i dont see a problem :] but its caused by fact i dont play et often and dont care anymore...
it has been 5 years since ET came out, and people (myself included) want to keep this nice community alive.
cheaters are ruining alot (leagues/cups/communities).
It sucks if you lose form cheaters because it you know you can easily win if the wouldn't cheat.
what a retard... i may say whatever i want as long as i dont broke xf rules...
and playing against better is always fun, and i dont care if guy is cheating or not...
i see people like perfo (no offense) playing at a high level and being loved by this community.
you cheat and get busted => you get banned. it's as simple as that.
as a reply to your column: i do not approve of playing with cheaters, altho i myself have played on occasion with ex-cheaters (because they are my friend).
if anyone is to be found playing with a cheater in an official match, the other person should get punished aswell (like FF in the gnajda case).
removal from the cup/league is a good example.
no exceptions.
So he should have a chance to come back, but if a player is busted for the second time he should get a lifetime ban inmidiatly.
teams playing with busted asses are the cancer of this game. they themselves tell to the kids" you can cheat, even if you re busted nothing will change"
and what amaze me is that those same guys will whine about the bot they re playing against, but they will accept blindfolded any unknown new talent and any busted ex mate without a question.
the main problem is that most players have no balls. they see a busted guy joining vent/ts they basically dont like cheaters, but they will say nothing and play like a good pet.
i ve seen this too many times.
like you said we usually know who cheats and who doesnt. except for a few clever guys, but clever cheaters are not legions ^_^
my everyday policy is simple. no game with/against thoses obvious or busted guys (when you re aware of it idd) . it s quite a simple thing to do, you guys just do this for a month and loads of cheaters would go fuck themselves or change game.
same goes for cups. if the admins dont have the balls to remove an obvious team, show your point by refusing to play them. if you all do the same i can assure you the obvious team will not be playing for long. you guys have that much power, even CB would step back and remove a team if the all com was telling the same thing.
but i dont really believe most of you will. pussies are pussies they dont turn into lions in one night.
to end on a positive touch, the n°1 french ET forum has announced today that busted peeps will have their writing rights removed
again, 1 community, 1 rule: do not cheat!
you wanna try and get busted, gtfo my community. cup, pracc, mix, forum, irc. out of it all, erase the cheaters from the face of the ETword.
if the kiddies knew it was that much trouble to cheat, they surely would think twice before getting one.
good post pedro, you re a lot more "politicaly correct" than i am (/me are dictator wannabe) but the idea is the same, we are all responsible for the cheat, it s not netcoder's fault. those guys are just clever coders making money on idiots. if so many players are trying a bot it s cause of our own #carebear behaviour.
Once again.
If cheating in ET = permban, ET would have a much more serious problem with cheaters than it does today. Fact. I challenge anyone to argue against this point. A free game that requires no sacrifice (except the hassle of a name change) to return with a new identity, will always have this problem. The CF 1-year-ban system works.
Also, I'm not sure what you are whining at with the latter part... are you whining at the community, or are you whining at the technical difficulties which present themself when trying to ban someone?
If leagues permabanned players in ET then you wouldn't see random idiots using the "HE CHEATED BEFORE BUT HE COOL ON VENT AND AND HE CLEAN NOW" excuse. It wouldn't stop cheaters (JUST LIKE IT IS NOW) because they would have nothing to lose (EXACTLY LIKE IT IS NOW AGAIN) BUT it would make idiots shut up with their dumb excuses with mothers, fathers, big brothers, dogs and friends installing cheats and cheating in ET.
If perma ban was used from the release of the game until now there wouldn't be people DEFENDING cheaters and therefor LESS people hanging out with cheaters. Why? Because they would have NO excuse to hang out with them.
That is the point I am trying to make. There is no chance for reform, so why not come back and cheat. Can you imagine a legal system that is based not on reform? History has proved that it doesn't work.
A ban for a year is a damn long time. There is no way I would even consider cheating again. Sure, for some people they will return and still cheat, but most normal people won't be doing it again.
If I was permabanned, would I stay away for ever? Of course I wouldn't. Nobody else would either.
dont get me wrong, if pb and the etproguid system were working, i would be here acting to let busted peeps come back after even let say 3months.
i dont wank on punishments, before punishing the busted, we must send a message to all the kids who dont have yet the mental strenght to resist cheating.
as i m not everybody's mum, i cant educate them to become proud men with honor,nor strengthen their mind so they can make a difference between a real shit life and playing EC with a bot. so imo the best way to send the message "do not cheat" is to frighten them by extrem reactions against cheaters.
a global /ignore sounds to me like the best way. when a guy thinks about cheating to get famous, if he knows the risk is to completly desappear from the ETscene, he might really think twice before cheating.
and ofc i dont criticize crossfire or its position on cheating, as it is from far the best available atm. but it doesnt mean we "quidam" have no role to play.
this:
just kind of wondering if you can prove something is true in a hypothetical situation
also to give my out my point of view which I don't intend to defend or argue about furthermore: you have 4 potential situations(at least the ones I can think of now):
1.) you ban someone permanently, he tries to come back, after a while gets "busted" and banned again and repeat previous steps - nothing different from what happens atm
2.) you ban someone permanently, he doesn't try to come back and gives up either on cheating or gaming in total - not a bad situation here since it's 1 cheater less, maybe less players but again those players were cheaters and we don't want them anyway
3.) you ban someone permanently, others see it and don't want to get banned thus don't cheat - win situation
4.) you ban someone permanently, he gets pissed and shares the cheat around - this would not be good but it would require a lot of work from the person that plans to spread it and we all know what are nC in for ;)
Gnajda..WHO? A guy who is suddenly playing for FF after his 4 year ET career of course people think he cheats even mAus the most talented player out of the Enemy Territory scene isn't making hs like he did,
As for gnajda, he was a part of famous polish skilled clan Trivium/FBI, which so to say was obvious since they formed years ago. I dunno if there ever was a single member who hasn't been somehow related to cheats.
Just get used to it, sad to see those cheaters, and the players who play with them.
ban perfo to set an example!
I could name a few names that have used cheats in the past, maybe just to test them against bobots, got away with it, and are still liked, or at least not condemned, by the community. FACT.
There have also been a few mistakes made concerning cheaters in the past. However, against this there are also a few good actions taken in the past, e.g. the mAus-case where he wasn't banned for that so-called obvious aimswitch against myLegend.
Word. I'm actually happier that I got caught & banned, than I would be if I managed to get away with using it.
Reform works, bitches. :(
OR BROTHER
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Are u happy now ? im not a cheater and u say bullshit.
you realise I don't play ET anymore, stopped playing in a mid-low clan in 05-start of 2006 and have not touched any sort of et competition since?
the fact I ran cheats on a local server means absolutely zero.
just like a poll we ran on this site showed around 40+% of the userbase had at some point in time ran a cheat even if it was just to see what it was like.
you then fail to even for one second realise that for a longgg time before "fusengate" I helped the etpro devs with finding cheats and testing their anticheat code.
seriously, you seem to have some sort of pathetic grudge against me.
comparing me to a cheater that plays in EC currently is beyond a farce
cheater
Naturally, clan mates become friends, you can't expect to throw your friend into a fire because other people think he or she is a witch..Same idea on a smaller scale. I imagine in the case of kenta, kojak weren't so close, being kojak v.204, therefore they were probably more comfortable in removing him. Poles tend to like to stick together if you haven't noticed >D
Everyone's played with cheaters before. There's not really much we can do other than change our opinion of these people. Sometimes i think people are really naive enough to think that the cheaters as obvious as kenta, gnajda are actually clean.
A lot of people have cheated in the past, maybe out of stupidity, curiosity, or for whatever reason. I've cheated before, and though i'm not proud of it, i'm not afraid to admit it because it just kinda shows that "Once a cheater always a cheater" does not always apply.
Summary: If we want something done, no new rules on banning cheaters is going to save us, we just need to be a little more willing to throw our friends in the fire :D
omg, doublethink!
That is doubleplusungood.
"I do realize the problem is greatly exaggerated and in fact, the scene itself if partially to blame for it’s own demise"
Though you're kinda doing the same, this point will suffice.
Thanks for the input. I think a few people have focused too much on cheaters in the past rather than the people willing/obliviously playing with them. Even in RTCW, there was never a sense of that. Just shows you the difference between the two communities. :(
That is a typical scenario and generally since the accuser often doesn't have the same sort of weight of reputation or relative power, his accusation is often laughed off (by other top players as well). This is how is was with a lot of the Dutch guys; ET is quite easy, aim wise, but hitting these stupid accuracies is going to cause alarm bells.
I think public servers are unmanageable and very difficult to police when it comes to providing an efficient 'cheating policy', the amount of effort required for the occasional 'worthy' bust is disproportional. So if a player does get busted because of some public cheat, it doesn't automatically mean he should be banned from competitive play. Now I know a lot of people will groan at this, and I agree somewhat that if they've cheated on a public server, they're more likely to cheat in competitive matches, but there's also the small chance they won't. This is where the likes of perfo, keran, shy, hentai, natu and even myself come in, the list could go on and more often than not, they're the ones who've been on LAN before and will go again.
I think too often, a lot of the top players are afraid of coming out on record and say they think someone hacks, this is where the likes of sol, perfo and especially kot are particularly useful!
There's not an obvious solution, but you've to accept that there will always be cheating, large (public) and small (competitive) scale, you've to have a system which is fair and consistent, if someone is banned and has served their time, then let them integrate back within the community. Most people argue about the technicalities and not actually about the proposals, which is interesting – look at razz, he served over a year for rivatuner, I served over a year for circumstantial evidence and someone whose clearly aimbotting on ETTV in an EC playoff match is likely to get a few months. :P
Another measure to protect the roleplay attitude crossfire has been promoting (in)voluntarily?
- The cheaters who've served time, did so for no actual purpose.
- The amount of effort to police the system is increased substantially.
- With no actual route back into the competitive fold, why bother to be clean? Your reputation is ruined as it's and the chances are some players will turn back to cheating instead of being an assert to the community.
If someone is a serial cheater, then there's little to deter them in all fairness, they're not going to stop playing if they're banned on Crossfire or Clanbase, and generally they're not going to go to LANs either, why waste your time on them? I'd rather see a good cheating policy solely for competitive play, which would rid a good proportion of the suspicious players in the lower levels of competitive play - your OC division 5 and the likes.
This is not a reason. It's an excuse and has little to do with the cheating itself. It's the mentality of this community and the elitair way they treat ("former") cheaters that fucks up the entire scene and (re)creates cheaters. Just take a look at all the "cheater lover!!!" comments for example.
I only care because rtcw isn't worth shit anymore nowadays and I'm looking for another fps to play. But seeing how things are done here it's very unlikely I'll ever touch ET again.
Keep sucking up to the clean "pro's". Write as much articles about them as possible with as many flags infront of their names as possible and keep calling lower OC divisions cheat divisions.
The only reason crossfire is this active is because the negative attitude of 90% of this community keeps it alive. That's also the reason why I keep reading this kind of column with a grin on my face. There's no joy like malicious joy, right?
when on the other hand the busted guy changing indentity the day he s busted, should get a light pole in his ass when his old nick is found out.
but all this is about what to do of busted dudes, it has nothing to do with clean players , and more it has nothing to do with all the kiddies who will try a cheat in the next year.
anything we do must be thinking about them and prevent them from cheating, with technology or with fear of getting busted.
and from that point alone, i believe hard treatment against you busted guys is the very best way to get half of the futur cheaters stay clean.
Does it really matter? You either accept it or you don't, and saying that it's acceptable for competitive players to cheat on pubs (where it's not allowed) can only have negative effects for the community as a whole.
What if the pub community got the same supremacist idea and decided it's ok to cheat in competitions but not on pubs? =)
(It's a different thing when they've served their ban.)
for example: getting in to artline or playing a good game vs overload (lost, but we played well) or getting in the play-offs this OC season with uQuk.
these are all things that make me happy and make me cheer on ventrilo. Because when I killed Sheep with a colt in warm up I felt on top of the world (went bezerk on ventrilo) just because of some lucky kill.
Bodem line is: I started playing ET as a Real noob and saw all those great people on ETTV. Now I play against those people and stand a change killing them once in a while.
ET is in my eyes now to the point that people that are not that good just wanna try out some hacks and wanna see if they get away with it and maybe even get in a good team because that's what they want to 'achieve' on the long run (I think) they don't wanna do it the normal way by praccing alot and going from searching low on IRC to searching low+ and so on.
Conclusion: People are so eager to be something bigger then they actually are that they do stupid things.
lol!
and good to hear you played well against overload.
Don't post comments about an item you don't even intend to fucking read, that's just blind ignorance.
*strokes e-penis*
If i ran cups id ban the cheaters, and their teammates... not for equal amout of time.. say 3 months for teammates... but it haveto have some sort of consiquence...
I really think wrobel should be banned, hes a fucktard who knew naga, gnajda were cheating... same like perfo etc shouldve been banned when they playd with Qyz/N30 or w/e he called himself in nc, they knew who he was, they knew he cheated, and they kept playing with him.
just proves that these "known" players are just as much scum as their cheaing friends
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everything before that was just bullshit
what else do you want you ugly retard? =)
myth6s got busted for etbot (you didn't want to believe even though everyone told you so back then).
manix got busted for etx.
senti - the bestest mate of myth6s, is always playing with cheaters these days and quite a lot of ppl claim that he also is playing weird these days, especially since he played in invictus - a cheaters team with trix, aristo, myth6s etc.
jkzz got busted again i think.
krein got cb-banned for a cheat in call of duty (even though not in et).
not sure who i forgot and like i said, i don't know any more in which lineup you played.
I wish other people were the same as me :o
As retarded my attitude may seem I believe it's the right way to go and I'm proud of it.
Besides Gnajda also FF is to blame. Imo they exactly knew what they were doing by taking him into the team. They didn't only play with the cheater, but I also suspect a couple of them to cheat too. I specced the EC matches and I specced several players of FF and Gnajda wasn't even the most obvious one. So either they benefited from his wallhack comms or they slipped into the "system" themselves and tried to cheat their way to an EC win.
Let's take razz as an example. He was stupid to use rivatuner in a fucking funwar(?), got banned for a year. But I don't see why he shouldn't be an accepted player after his return.
Similar with Perfo. Even Cheatbusters crew played mixes with him, and I don't see really anything wrong in it. If it was his brother, his goldfish or himself, either of them tried a hack on pub once, he probably didn't cheat in any officials or in a pracc or something.
But with Kenta, gnajda and those other butt ugly nerds who have no live, and want at least to be e-loved for their oh-so-great-skills.
I guess those kind of guys don't even think about what they do to this game, nor do they care. Also I think that they're not like "let's fool everyone with my obvious hax". I'm pretty sure they are rather afraid to be busted, and they know it might happen in everygame, through pb or too obvious actions.
They want fame, be known and get a boner when someone recognize them on a pub. 90% of cheaters are like that, and imo with a lifetime ban you would punish them the most. Cause you take away what they were looking for: attention.
Ofc, there are for sure other people who were "real" cheaters and regret what they did in the past and play now clean. But how many of that type are there? I may not know, but I guess that's the smallest amount of them.
I don't really have clue how hax work and I can only spot cheaters based on my instinct (which is not that bad). But I think that the cheatbusters missed the most obvious Gnajda moments. Moments where he was blatantly cheating, but it wasn't at EC level back then. I also have a feeling that if Killerboy would've been present at the time when Perfo transferred to highskill, he would've been banned far before the "brother incident".
So you have to decide between half year ban and people you hate will come back and probably be the same cheating bastards again or banning people you like a lot and only did something stupid for once ban for a lifetime.
I just wanted to point out that a cheater isn't a cheater.
i am still convinced if someone wants to, and has the abilities for it, he´ll never get busted at any time!
what about ppl who used a public cheat in the past and maybe got banned for it? should they be banned forever? just take perfo (pubcheat, his brother, care, all the same) or the other dutchies as examples. i guess most ppl agree that he/they doesn't/don't cheat.
furthermore it would be kinda hypocritical. i know people who used a cheat on an etmain public without pb 3 or 4 years ago without getting banned. some of them are important members of our (non-cheating) community these days and even the most anti-cheat-guys ever will agree that these guys don't cheat. should they also be banned and isolated or shouldn't they, just because they didn't get "busted".
the case is completely different if someone plays with a known nC user ofcourse. for example if ppl knowingly play with kenta, junky, nirv, koto, trix, boumbo, sinner, nackscott (check tron's screenshot above) or whatever they are called then punishment is deserved tbh. in my opinion these ppl deserve to be banned, isolated or whatever since they are damging our community and this game but a line needs to be drawn somewhere... but where?
and soprano is on fusen i aint denying that, but imo he isnt hacking, in many others also
anyone with a dirty history = gone
Every community has it's good sides, and it's bad sides.
Some community's have more bad than good sides, or visa versa, games like cs, with a huge cheater problem and way to easy to provoke players.
One of the main problems with ET is the general bad attitude of the players.
Or well, not really the players themselves, but more or less the clans as groups.
The players in ET are generally very offensive towards eachother, and when that ends in a 'fight' both players will most likely be backed up by their clanmates, making it a fight between clans.
The big cheater problem doesnt really help, it raises paranoia, and hightens the amount of insults, accusations and implications.
If people wouldn't be so offensive in this community, and if people wouldn't be so easy to provoke/throw random insults without rational thinking, it would have way more room to expand, more room for newbies, way more activity.
Even tho I only talked about the 'cons' of this community in this little 'rant' I do see the 'pros' as well.
Even tho I stopped playing ET a long time ago, this is what I think are the positive sides of the community:
- All players seem very motivated to improve, and play higher in the competition.
- The community is self supporting, with lots of quick cups and small competitions.
- There are lots of servers, lots of players.
Imagine what this community could achieve if everyone would just behave more rational and less agressive.
sorry if u mistunderscht00d
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