Picking up what eiM stated in his previous column should be the perfect introduction for this column. The question is: How professional it is to host two tournaments that are "Nation Cups"?
The answer should be obvious to all of us. Its not professional to host two of these cups at once and it would not happen in any other game but here. If this discussion about which NC should be played takes us anywhere, then to the point when we will realize how unnecessary it is. Both organisations are able to hold big tournaments, both have proofed that with numerous ECs and EMSs.
Now there is a point where their interests collide. On the one hand you have CB claiming its always been their cup, on the other hand ESL that got crossfire in as a strong partner and want to bring some fresh air into that "old" clanbase tournament. In the end both are capable of bringing an entertaining Nations Tournament to the community. But we all know, this is not going to happen. The reasons for that shall not be the topic of that column but you can think of some yourself.
With that we have the situation of two "companies" competing for one market and going for the monopoly. If you see it like that, one can say its a good thing for et cause it will bring out one winner. One site will host the Nations Cup and the captains of the national teams decide which one it will be and that means the community has an influence on which league is going to host one of the most prestigious events in ET and with that will probably gain more attention for their competitions then the other side. But is it really necassary to fight for that "market"?
As it seems now ESL is going to host the nation cup, which brings the chance for some changes to the common CB rules and great coverage by crossfire. But still its strange that eiM is one of the guys working for ESL and talking in a column about "sticking together" and then creates a Nations Cup without talking to CB long time before and even ignores their announcement. I do not want to blame anyone here but i want to state that it is not professional to do this. It might be the wish of the community to host it at ESL but it wouldn't have hurt to host it at crossfire like one Nations Cup before with an admin team of both organisations. This chance seems to be gone now and will probably not return. The hope that stays is the one for more professionalism and a cooperation with both big leagues not fighting each other but working together to create more great events for the ET community.
I would like to finish with the same quote i began with, in the hope some people will follow that advice:
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AGREE, SO TRUE!
There is the obvious fact that the ESL website is RUBBISH and it always has been, but other than that ESL are all over CB right now. If ESL are reaching out to solve their problems (which has been integrating into the CF community (proven by comments on newsposts)) then more for them.
Competition is good, one of 2 things will happen - either CB will improve their offering out of fear of competition or the community will decide that ESL does a better job. Either way the community win.
ESL actually has a rule that you HAVE to give a statement and that it has to be what they deem "serious", zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Although, you can usually get away with anything if you throw in some exotic English.
That's really retarded, cause like you said, they could've easily picked another time.
I've offered the CB admin crew to join and work together. An offer that is not easy made. Its an unfortunate timing indeed from our side but if you'd know the reasons (which I won't publish) one might understand. Fact is it was planned since July 2009.
I've been talking with Killerboy for days now to find a proper solution for the ET community and there are different proposes, yet we didnt agree on anything.
€: and lets be honest. If we'd told CB a few days ago that we are going to announce this cup they'd have published their news just as we did
To be honest, the biggest problem is that people do not understand that rivalry between CB and ESL can be easily sidetracked. The real problem is to create a user-friendly website. As far as I'm concerned, CB challenge system + ESL prizepurses would be a perfect combination. Then just pick right people @ admin crew and there you go - I bet such project would be >> CB+ESL.
Besides, I dare to disagree with TosspoT about coverage.
nothing against you, but one can always find something to complain about :>
btw where did your cast has gone tonight? :o I am just asking, because one also can say, that you missed that EC final is also sign of missed coverage.... I hope you get my point finally :> There is always something CB/CF/ESL admins could hv done better, why should we complain about it all the time? Its a small community nowadays, lets be happy with the thing we have :>
e: besides that, i dont need any CB or CF news to know, which team won the EC.
e2: too tired -.- gonna go now, n8 :x
Your point is fine, CF could do many things better I dont proclaim to have the best answer to everything however I am defending ESL from CB attacks (CB threatened to mess up ESL GTV matches for example) by pointing out that CB could do things better themselves so stop ragging on the ESL ET Crew.
ale jak sam powiedziales, robi lana i wszyscy go uwazaja za zbawce ET, mimo ze jego wklad w scene tak naprawde konczy sie na tym lanie :X
I always wondered why none of cb admins got any powers here..
ec + esl competition also ran on the same time
play both and be happy !
lol it's so true. But the fact is that in one nations there are several clans, but one national team. So you do have to make a choice. You can't pick both because one of the player will have to move for Country Championship.
btw, mst in french = sexually transmitted infection :D
Good to know :D.
stop hatin y0
My reason for constantly falling back at CB is that I've found the admins there less immature, and I've had an easier time navigating the site ;D
However, it is as Tosspot says a fact that the ESL is starting to take over. More coverage and overall activeness has been provided for the ET community, mostly thanks to eiM.
I'm going to follow this matter closely, will be interesting to see how this will develop.
GIEF MORE DRAMA PLEASE ;)<3
shall i apply as captain
what role does crossfire have in that partnership? didn't quite get that
Btw, just check what happened in the last CB NC... NL,FIN and GER were diqualified based on stupid CB rules. Some of us got a bit sick of those stupid rules and xfire and ESL decided to set up their own NC.
And if both tournaments would go ahead I doubt the CB NC would get the same level of support and coverage as the xfire + ESL CC.
but anyway, that wasn't the question, what I asked was, what did cf bring to the partnership that wasn't there anyway? news and all the coverage would still get posted(as they were so far)
And btw you see this from a wrong perspective. Xfire is almost synonyme as the whole ET-community, everyone is on this site, players, admins, everyone. Xfire gives all the coverage of every match (shoutcasting, ettv, articles). It's on this site that everyone reads about the NC so xfire is in the strong position to chose either the CB NC or the ESL CC. Last CB NC was a disaster (from the perspective of the community) and because ESL offers a better service, has better rules, admins, etc... xfire favours ESL as partner.
In short, you can say that xfire offers the backing of the whole ET community either to ESL or CB which is very important.
do you understand my question at all? I asked what does crossfire bring into the partnership that wasn't already available before, I know what fucking crossfire is, crossfire provided all the coverage written by admins of cf and admins of cb before it was a partner to anyone, so what has changed now that they've in a "partnership"?
because all the coverage would've been available even without them being partners, does this now bring exclusivity of coverage for esl? it doesn't, cb nc will still be covered(if) by cb admins, so what deal does the partnership bring? usually sides don't become partners if they don't have some sort of profit from it
Do you really think it's gonna be the same if ESL do it alone or with xfire as partner?
No one would care about the ESL CC if they hosted it alone. They would have no backing at all, CB is more known and most of the focus would go to the CB NC (if both would be hosted).
With xfire, tosspot and most of the big names supporting ESL CC the big players would prefer to play in the ESL CC. With xfire as partner MOST of the coverage (news, shoutcasting) would be about ESL CC and not CB NC. Tosspot would shoutcast only matches from ESL CC, not CB NC. If xfire support ESL CC and not CB NC it would mean the whole community would support ESL over CB. It's a take over of power from CB to ESL.
It's all about getting the community behind you. For both ESL and CB. Didn't you read both announcements? Both trying as hard as possible to win over the community and because xfire= the whole community it's quite clear no? Do I really have to explain it 3 times?
still waiting for someone to answer me properly
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forgot to add, your view about "common sense" in rules is weird, what did you stupid and unnecessary in those rules?
And about common sense. Just check the reason why NL,GEr and FIN were thrown out of the cup. Ridiculous. I don't think a single one( except probably you) agreed with the way it was handled. It must be again you who must be right and everyone else wrong?
I suggest we end this here because it's impossible to have a proper discussion with you.
and I think YOU should check the reason why fin and nl got THROWN OUT, germany lost by their own fault
That being said, I think it would be easier on the community to just have one cup. As someone above me said, it is a small community and there is no sense in dividing the community any further than it already is. The simplest way to fix this would obviously be to postpone the country championship for a few months and run it at a different time of the year preferably when not much else is going on.
ET has always found a safe haven in Crossfire.nu, a uniting place where everything about ET revolves around. That has been the strength of ET over the years, a united community which isn't fractured at all. Most other games have several community sites from different countries, but those games are a lot more popular amongst competitive players. ET is a lot smaller, and we're lucky we ain't fractured on different sites, cause that would mean the death of our small community.
Now the same can be said about ESL & CB. If the community splits up and has to decide either CB or ESL, then it might jeopardise the future of ET. And that's something nobody wants.
Same happened in TF2 last season...
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=news&mode=item&id=4573 & http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php?nid=325760
+ Homer and Francis Shoutcast with 500 listeners ;)
So Crossfire created one (i think it was 2008 or so).
I am for the ESL Cup btw. is the ESL more supporting this game than CB
and
2008
:DDDD yeah was prehistoric times!
ESL doesn´´t have crappy website but the war arraning system is kinda annoying, but they have friendlier admins ( cb has only Homer, who is normal ) and the banning system is better.
As a team game community we all be more aware of our decisions (and posts) and how they portray our team spirit.
This whole thread smacks of 'admin ego' and says little of the needs of the community and the event itself, FFS ppls grow up. NC should be what the community wants and if CB or ESL will listen and provide then job done.
BTW agreed both website suck ass, ESL is sucking a real dirty ass.