The Eurocup is fully on it's way and we had the CPC2 last month. Now there have been a lot of discussion about who is the best ET team at the moment. Some say there are three teams fighting for the Eurocup title at the moment... Dignitas, TLR and Impact. Others say Polar has a good chance too. Maybe even Cadre.
Now
Evan has tried to form an ET Ranking once. I don't know why he didn't continue but it had one downside. It was based on his interpretation of the value of a match. And a ranking shouldn't be based on interpretation but on facts. That's why I have made my own ET Ranking.
The system is simple... I have searched an gathered all the results from the ET CPC2 Tournament and the current Eurocup. So the rankings contains all teams that were active in those competitions. No more, no less. I used the won and lost rounds statistics to make a Rounds ratio. When you divide this ratio by the amount of matches played, you get a score. This can never be bigger then 4.00 or lower then - 4.00. The score is used for the ranking. So the team with the highest score is number one on the ranking etc...
As I said before I used the scores of the CPC2 and the Eurocup. In the future I'm not sure what competitions to use because not all teams compete in every competition. I think the rankings will be featuring the competitions that have a high amount of teams that are allready enlisted on the ranking table.
There are a few things I have to point out to evade misunderstandings.
1. This ranking is based on FACTS. There are no personal preferences used in the process of composing this ranking.
2. There was a difficulty with the One.Soldier, Zerobarrier teams. In the rankings there are "One.LAN" and "Zerobarrier". One.LAN is the team that played on CPC2 under the name of One.Soldier. Zerobarrier is the team that played under the name Zerobarrier on CPC2 and under the name One.Soldier on Eurocup. Since most players of the One.Soldier team that was playing in the Eurocup were from the Zerobarrier team of the CPC2. I hope you understand my explanation...
3. Altough Morrigu played one match in the Eurocup and then dropped, I didn't insert that score into the ranking. Nor did I give a forfeit round to TLR, Polar and Incomplete.
So basically Morrigu just didn't play Eurocup just like the Clanbase Site indicates.
4. I know some teams enlisted here were mix teams for the CPC2 and are dead now but I think they should still be mentioned on this ranking since they played at a high level event.
Now
Evan has tried to form an ET Ranking once. I don't know why he didn't continue but it had one downside. It was based on his interpretation of the value of a match. And a ranking shouldn't be based on interpretation but on facts. That's why I have made my own ET Ranking. The system is simple... I have searched an gathered all the results from the ET CPC2 Tournament and the current Eurocup. So the rankings contains all teams that were active in those competitions. No more, no less. I used the won and lost rounds statistics to make a Rounds ratio. When you divide this ratio by the amount of matches played, you get a score. This can never be bigger then 4.00 or lower then - 4.00. The score is used for the ranking. So the team with the highest score is number one on the ranking etc...
As I said before I used the scores of the CPC2 and the Eurocup. In the future I'm not sure what competitions to use because not all teams compete in every competition. I think the rankings will be featuring the competitions that have a high amount of teams that are allready enlisted on the ranking table.
There are a few things I have to point out to evade misunderstandings.
1. This ranking is based on FACTS. There are no personal preferences used in the process of composing this ranking.
2. There was a difficulty with the One.Soldier, Zerobarrier teams. In the rankings there are "One.LAN" and "Zerobarrier". One.LAN is the team that played on CPC2 under the name of One.Soldier. Zerobarrier is the team that played under the name Zerobarrier on CPC2 and under the name One.Soldier on Eurocup. Since most players of the One.Soldier team that was playing in the Eurocup were from the Zerobarrier team of the CPC2. I hope you understand my explanation...
3. Altough Morrigu played one match in the Eurocup and then dropped, I didn't insert that score into the ranking. Nor did I give a forfeit round to TLR, Polar and Incomplete.
So basically Morrigu just didn't play Eurocup just like the Clanbase Site indicates.
4. I know some teams enlisted here were mix teams for the CPC2 and are dead now but I think they should still be mentioned on this ranking since they played at a high level event.
+ teams like octense maybe aren't as good as incomplete and elite but i had to take CPC2 into the table. without the scores of the CPC2 Polar would have been on top and TLR would have been around the 7th spot... now that would have been very logical wouldn't it ;)
btw, youre saying that a team shouldnt be judged on "some results", in this case the results versus the best opponents, but on true skill :S how do you want to measure true skill if without looking at their results. thats the same as saying that chelsea is the best team in the world because they have the best players. though they only won the FA Cup this year...
+ a team shouldnt be judged by its results against good teams. it should be judged by every single result it has. though the matches it playes do have to be filtered in different platforms because it wouldn't be fair if one team got it results of some low skilled cup they joined for fun included in the table
polar > cadre > dignitas
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just that taking the big skillgap to considdering would make a better rating...
okok vs kih was in OC and in some other cup so that doesnt count, but they took down alis in the qualifier for CPC2, or arent you counting qualifiers?
en silti tajuu mitä järkee tehdä jotain tämmöst :D:D
this kind of list made after every month or so could work pretty well
I might start doing some kind of ranking system, maybe a ladder, based on results of gtv games. Generally most high-profile games are shown on gtv, so it's not hard to get results...
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i added the scores of ET Masters
and zeropoint climbed 3 spots overtaking polar, impact and cadre.
TLR's lead has become even stronger now they have a ratio of +52 (!), and dignitas still at 24 because they didn't compete.
also vae has gained one spot and have a positive score now and netrunners have joined the table on the 10th place. the bottom of the table has changed abit as elite and morrigu both gained some spots...
though it was a good tournament im not sure ill include it because alot of the matches were forfeited and as a forfeit is 0-1 instead of 0-4 some clans actually got a higher score because they forfeited instead of just losing with 0-4... this doesnt seem very fair to me. ill just wait with editing the table.
then you should remove zerobarrier, elite and Incomplete from the list.
edit: and elite folded
and u point out the problems in your reply
So something like chess celo or tennis systems could work here as well
so thats why this one is based purely on facts and not on interpretation.
not rly, try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonneborn-Berger_system
you can clearly see the top 6 teams for example, in those 6 teams every clan can beat each other.. then there are the rest..
cadre > u
and as you mentioned about how the performances etc. should be taken into count, I think it speaks for us here!the decider map vs. D was quite close ;)
few days ago in prac we owned them with someone who played ET first time as merc x)
ye I know it's prac but I just had to paste this :)
and gl in the next game
+ you gave
+ appreciate your work
+ in the end it's just a statistic. in poland there is saying like "there are three types of lies: small lie, big lie and statistics" :P statistics wont tell you who is the best anyway, but its always nice to check it. so all whine & flame about xRio's work is useless
+ TLR was in the group where morrigu dropped (eurocup) so they only played 2 group matches instead of 3
+ thanks for your last point :P its not my intention to tell teams they suck or something. im just composing a ranking of facts
The downside was common sense ? I mean I ranked aMenti higher than cdap pi and received some whine because of it, but what happened ? aMenti put cdap out as I predicted. If you read Adacores first comment thats the general direction I was planning on going with and I cant see why you don't take into consideration last EC results.
I know you wanted to do something like this but you should have come spoke to me like you asked me when I first published the first rankings.
To quote Toxic xD
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Going off you
So NETR a team which started off 6th in my rankings then finished 4th at last EC, beat zP in an official for money, reached the play offs and was beaten by zP in the ET Masters play offs can suddenly drop 6 places ? This is where your rankings fail somewhat imo. Common sense > bare statistics :[
this ranking isn't saying that for example incomplete is an overall worse team then k1ck or that TLR is an overall better team then Dignitas. all this ranking is saying is that TLR performed better overall at the last 2 big events. and that's where a lot of people don't understand my intention.
I might have chosen my words a bit unlucky since I am actually stating that "Now there have been a lot of discussion about who is the best ET team at the moment." and implying that my ranking gives a solution to that discussion. But it doesn't and maybe I should alter my words a bit.
So again for all the people who think that I'm giving a ranking of who is the best ET team. I'm not, it's just a summary of who's performing the best.
And to you evan, I'm sorry if I made you think that I was downgrading your ranking, of course I appreciated it. It wasn't my intention to make yours look bad.
the reason i was 'whining' was simply because at that time amenti and cdap played vs each other once, and cdap won, so if it was a proper rankings system we would have been on top of them, but your ranking system was mainly who u thought was best etc :P
NO HARD FEELINGS MEIGHT
this is the ranking, facts, clean numbers.
We're far from inactive tbh.
But we're far from as skilled now, we're LAN-only :D