skyrim smith/enchanting?

I'm lvl 18 now with archery lvl 78, sneak lvl 40, one hand lvl 40 & light armor lvl 40. I wonder if I should invest any points into enchanting or smithing? If I go for lvl 100 archery and invest some points into sneak then I will get more dmg much faster. Smithing won't help me until lvl ~70 (I got a glass bow atm) and enchanting needs a lot of point before its worth enchanting a good weapon?

So I would need ~10 levels (perk points) to have some good enchanting skills. But then I should also smith some good weapon first so that the enchanting goes into some awesome end-game weapon?

@edit: and finally I have Aela as companion now :S
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Im fukced, cause I let Esburne to go alone after his release and he didnt reach that town when he was suppose to meet with me and that woman (sword organisation)
any help?:U
you need alchemy - enchant - smith combo, though you only need few perks in alchy, several in enchant and smith depends on what you want to make, both weapons and / or armour.
so for getting all the perks to do that I need like 10-20 lvls? No thanks I will go for archery/sneak/light armor for now :>
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Havent put anything into smithing yet, have quickly glanced over the tree and im not sure if I want both weaps / armor. Lvl 47 now with 20 uninvested perks left. Still working on my alchy which is at 70ish atm, I did take the basic upgrade up to 4/5.
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oO did you just randomly run around and kill everything for lvl 47 ? I'm lvl 18 and pretty much discovered the whole map :P Atm the only real quests are the one with the mage-teacher wanting me to follow in some random cave where there is some amulet that traps me when taking it.
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No, when I run around I spam spells which allow me to level while running around.

Illusion => Muffle on yourself while running
Restoration => Transmute left / Heal right while running
Alteration => spam magelight everywhere
Sneaking => left my char in a corner sneaking in a tavern for 4 hours => lvl 90


Most skills have some easy way of leveling them, you just need to know how.
I usually sprint till stamina is almost empty, then spam spells till stamina is up again.

The amulet that traps you is mage guild quest, im doing that right now :) You'll find some nice spells along the way. Get transmute also, turns iron into silver into gold. Its in a camp just north of whiterun.
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that is just bug abusing... would just destroy the game for me as my char would be even more overpowered :P
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But does it actually make a difference if you use a console to boost your, say, Heavy Armor to 100 or leave the game on overnight in a low-level dungeon and let a bunch of lvl1 bandits hack away at you?
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Yes, first is pure powerleveling second is a console cheat
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The methods sure are different, but the results aren't.
Also, they both share one similarity: you don't experience anything in either of the cases that would make the journey more important than the destination - in essence, there is no journey to begin with.
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Why do you do this?
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Cause I player morrowind and oblivion. Its been in the game for ages and habits are hard to break. Besides, just running around feels kinda dulll ...Could as well spam healing which levels uber slow.
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100 smithing is easy to get by forging rings or necklaces. Especially if you get the spell that changes iron ore into silver and silver ore into gold.
ye but I also need to invest lots of perks.. which is like 10 lvls such for having enough perks to get the dragon smithing
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I think you can do it in 5. Idk, I'd say its not worth it in making to game easier because you level a lot but I kinda wanted it for the dragon armor since there is no other way to get it and it can also make you a lot of money.
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make iron daggers easy lvl100 smithing
Ppl are too obsessed with what you "should" do, just play the game the way you enjoy it and stop worrying about having the most powerful skills!
you can level echanting by disenchating stuff. you can enchant "trash" you find before you sell it to get more gold.
smithing is also a nice way of getting additional gold.
i wish i had the patience to play this game :~<
Imo I just got bored like hell.. no idea what the next "main quest" is.. got the best companion and actually I'm too strong atm.. killing everything with one shot. Got enough gold as well.. no idea what exciting stuff is left to do in this game.
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im playing L.A. Noire which is awesome BUT fps are capped so its fucking cropped like shit

also playing sait row the third which is pure action and its awesome :~>
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You are probably melee if you really think you are too strong and you don't even have enchanting/smithing or alchemy. Put the difficulty up for some more fun, download the slower leveling mods or reroll a mage. This game is alot about immersion, so if you don't like discovering things or a storyline, ye it might not be the best game for you :)
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nope I'm archer (and I really like the archer-sneak playing style). But with archery lvl 75 (and having 100% more bow dmg and all the other archery perks) + 3x sneak bow dmg = 1 shot everything.

And tbh: Killing a dragon with lvl 8 was as easy as with lvl 18. So I don't even see a point of leveling or learning smithing/enchanting.

In diablo 2 I got fucked when I moved to ravenblood (act1 quest 2) so I had to level again in the blood more. Then I wanted to do andy with lvl 13 and had no chance so I lvled until lvl 20. In Skyrim I never had to level up before doing any dungeon/quest :P

Difficulty: One below the hardest :S
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QuoteI wanted to do andy with lvl 13 and had no chance
you're doing it wrong xD
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ye that was the first time I played d2 :P with some completely weird skilled necro in 1.08 :D
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thought so^^
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I played that aswell on my first playthrough. Only used my bow to attack stuff. I'm pretty sure I did stuff I wasn't supposed to do yet, but it was pretty damn hard with just my bow. As soon as I got smithing and enchanting, things were alot easier even at higher difficulty.

I don't know what you are doing, but I played the exact same and I was by no means one-shotting things. Perhaps a regular bandit, but the stronger ones took alot of arrows, even with the 50% stagger chance. Could be that you didn't really level anything else and you are low level for all those perks? Or perhaps you are bit unlucky with the quests you are doing :P
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hmm I just have lvl 76 archery with pretty much every archery-perk that increases dmg + the 3x sneak bow dmg. Together with glass bow I kill most monsters with 1 hit (when sneeking). Yes the bosses take more hits.. like 10 or so :P Also got 350 health atm.
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dno, perhaps you are doing easier quests orso, I kinda rushed the factions I wanted and the MQ. My sneak and archery were my main skills aswell, had all the perks aswell. First skill I hit 100 with way ahead of the rest, still took me rather long to kill certain dragons/scourges/strong bandits. Had the nightingale bow untill I leveled smithing and made a daedric bow and items with + damage% on bow, so sounds about the same as your glass bow :o
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ow, do you perhaps use a companion?
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ye I have Aela as companion (from what I read thats pretty much the best one you can get)
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Dump her and put up the difficulty if still needed, thats what I did :D
She's my wife now, sits at home cooking me dinner and selling things. Good girl.

Yeah, companions especially can make the game abit too easy at some points because they basically take all the aggro. Even with my mage I'm using conjuration alot to tank for me but no companion. They seem to block every doorway anyways.
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haha :P

ye the blocking is annoying -.-
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.. Isn't there a main storyline or something ? I'm starting to believe it's a mmorpg with leveling all the stuff with endless sidequests, does it ever end ? Do you ran out of quests some time ? :[
Most guilds give endless? set of minor quests that you can do occasionally for a coin. There's also a main storyline.
It is possible to run out of quests (not counting the randomlygenerated ones), but that takes a really long time.
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Hmm... that sounds like something new. Haven't had a chance to try Skyrim yet. I've played through both Morrowind and Oblivion and I didn't think they were THAT long, including the main story and all (or most of the) quests from the guilds and there were definitely not any random generated ones except for some "go and collect me some flowers" -stuff, unless I've missed something crucial.

Although, I think, I spent a fair amount of time especially with Morrowind, having a hero with all the major and minor skills at 100.
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The dragons are the main quest. Next to that you got several story lines of the big guilds, maybe some other. Some scripted quests and the rest are just random generated quests. "You need some kind of help" are usually generated quests in my experience.
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The dragons are super easy.. especially when abusing some companion glitch or monster glitch (just let the dragon fight against some monster/companion who is off-screen.. companion/monster can't die but the dragon will die). Think I killed the first dragon with lvl 7.. now I'm lvl 18 and it is just as easy as always to kill them.

Do you know how many there are? I think I killed ~8 so far.
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Put the difficulty up to hardest in the gameplay options you nubcake.
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I had it on one below the hardest :(
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There are way too many dragons. I believe some of them are a random encounter (usually the ones just named "Dragon" or "Ice Dragon" et cetera), some of them spawn at the dragon burial sites (A dragon's head on your map), and some of them are the named sort you encounter when doing the main quest.

Anyway, I think the random encounters are sort of annoying. I traveled from Whiterun to Rorikstead, and got jumped upon by three dragons on the way. Dragon is new Cliff Racer.

In other words, don't worry about running out of them.
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Dragons also scale somewhat according to your level. Below level 30 they will usually only attack you when you are near other people/monsters that can help you. If so, he will always attack those first. Once you get a higher level, you will encounter stronger dragons (like an elder dragon) that will only attack you when you are semi-alone. Without smithing and enchanting those were rather hard for me at a reasonable difficulty.
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I already thought the whole game would scale according to my level.. so far I found nothing which I had to level up before I was able to do it. Nice to hear that there are some stronger dragons :S
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Good luck clearing some of the Dwemer ruins or killing the Dragon priests at lower levels.
Some of the stuff in the game scales, but true "endgame" content does not - thus, you'll certainly find enemies that practically oneshot you inside more difficult dungeons.
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bwhahahaha lvl 7 i killed mine with level 3 <3
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didn't count that dragon you kill with the party in whiteround (or however that city is called) :P
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Ah <3 then yeah level 7 would be right
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There is a main storyline and factions. Just a ton of sidequests and it's really fun to simply discover things. Loads of random places with their own enjoyable backstory to find :)
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They are all useful no matter what you are playing. And really easy to level. Though I'd recommend the slower skill leveling and slower leveling fun for a more lasting experience.

You only need like 4-7k gold and abit of patience to get smithing to lvl 100. Same goes for enchanting. Just go by shops, buy leather strips+iron ingots+filled or empty soul gems ( the cheap ones), make iron daggers, enchant them, usually you can sell them for profit :)
alright I will give smithing a try then.. so lets say I buy for ~15k gold some daggers, leather strips, iron ingots & filled or empty soul gems... then I use all that to smith fucking lots of daggers.. then I go to the mage circle and enchant them all.. then I sell them. After that I made some nice profit + leveld up enchanting & smithing ? and propably also get lvl 20+ :P
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That's how I did it, abit too much levels gained from it imo though :D
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