and why the fuck do they keep hitting the brake, idiots, hey im losing control of my car, lets hit the brake, so i have no control at all until i hit another car :)
If you understood the basics of driving in snow/ice, you'd know why ABS's are good in that kind of situations. And you claim that ESP/ESC is useless if your car starts to get out of your control? LoL.
Or you might want to explain how were you planning on getting the car under control, when you have too much speed for the friction you have left?
tested both ABS and ESP on special icy surface and also without those systems. ABS prevents your wheels to block meaning you still have both types of friction allowing to control your car more. never the less, we managed to brake on those icy surface also without ABS and without loosing control of the car.
Since in a situation like we have seen in the video, the ground is completely icy, braking brings you nothing than losing control of the car, with or without ABS.
ESP is also a nice invention for the newer cars. when one wheel loses grip on the floor, the stability program removes power from it so it can have grip again.
So now imagine what happens, when all 4 wheels lose control ...
ESP does, what you should do with every car when getting in a situation like this:
cut off every connection from engine/car to its wheels:
- let go accel
- press clutch
and then LOOK where you want to go and steer towards this point all the time.
(I know it sounds stupid, but its THE thing I can tell you)
but as you already figured out: if you have too much speed, nothing helps. no ESP, no ABS, no 4WD.
I do know how to drive on slippery conditions, i'm from Fintardistan after all, i've driven around 150 000km under winter conditions.
Last time was this morning, wet snow on ice.
Anyway, a few things to add:
As ESP/ESC reacts quite fast and will start flashing a little light on the dashboard, you should react to that, if you hadn't already figured out that you have too much speed. It might prevent spinning out of control reacting faster than you, also because it can brake individual wheel and you can't.
If you do lose control (without ESP/ESC as that would brake anyway), you basically have two choises:
A. Let go of the wheel, close your eyes and hope for the best. On four-wheel drift steering doesn't help much, otherwise it wouldn't be a four-wheel drift. Smart thing to do anyway, as that patch of ice might end before you hit something.
B. Brake, hope you will lose enough speed to gain some control over the car. With ABS you are steering at the same time so your direction will change as soon as you have slowed down. Done this a million times, as when i'm on a playful mood while driving, i need to know the limit of traction so i can control crossing it.
The way you are suggesting was a good way handle the situation some years back, they even thought me that way in driving school 13 years ago. However even then the advice was to "pump" the brake pedal a bit, so you would slow down without losing control. Those lessons have then changed, about 10 years ago.
lol learn to drive on ice/snow.
hf @ discovering a new world!
but to the other point, spiked tires are forbidden in the most eu countries, since they ruin the asphalt/streets at all
Protip: newer cars even got ESP.
Überprotip from Fintardistan: with 4WD you can actually control the car with power, however in real life it's not quite as simple as it sounds.
fabiocoentrao was right, that you have to get your car under control or at least try to. with breaking, you will do exactly the opposite.
If you understood the basics of driving in snow/ice, you'd know why ABS's are good in that kind of situations. And you claim that ESP/ESC is useless if your car starts to get out of your control? LoL.
Or you might want to explain how were you planning on getting the car under control, when you have too much speed for the friction you have left?
Since in a situation like we have seen in the video, the ground is completely icy, braking brings you nothing than losing control of the car, with or without ABS.
ESP is also a nice invention for the newer cars. when one wheel loses grip on the floor, the stability program removes power from it so it can have grip again.
So now imagine what happens, when all 4 wheels lose control ...
ESP does, what you should do with every car when getting in a situation like this:
cut off every connection from engine/car to its wheels:
- let go accel
- press clutch
and then LOOK where you want to go and steer towards this point all the time.
(I know it sounds stupid, but its THE thing I can tell you)
but as you already figured out: if you have too much speed, nothing helps. no ESP, no ABS, no 4WD.
Last time was this morning, wet snow on ice.
Anyway, a few things to add:
As ESP/ESC reacts quite fast and will start flashing a little light on the dashboard, you should react to that, if you hadn't already figured out that you have too much speed. It might prevent spinning out of control reacting faster than you, also because it can brake individual wheel and you can't.
If you do lose control (without ESP/ESC as that would brake anyway), you basically have two choises:
A. Let go of the wheel, close your eyes and hope for the best. On four-wheel drift steering doesn't help much, otherwise it wouldn't be a four-wheel drift. Smart thing to do anyway, as that patch of ice might end before you hit something.
B. Brake, hope you will lose enough speed to gain some control over the car. With ABS you are steering at the same time so your direction will change as soon as you have slowed down. Done this a million times, as when i'm on a playful mood while driving, i need to know the limit of traction so i can control crossing it.
The way you are suggesting was a good way handle the situation some years back, they even thought me that way in driving school 13 years ago. However even then the advice was to "pump" the brake pedal a bit, so you would slow down without losing control. Those lessons have then changed, about 10 years ago.