1) I dont care what gipsies do
2) I dont care what geeks do
3) I cant be arsed to watch youtube vids without any explanation
4) You're not a person to be taken seriously
What will you do when all the torrents will be off?
What will you do when you will go in some other country to visit, and you'll be stop at the border and have your phone/laptop confiscated for having illegal media?
"Gypsies" are far better informed atm than you are, and those romanians that you call gypsies are already starting to protest against ACTA.
Anyonymus isnt fighting to continue piracy or something like that. They are fighting so that the government cant look your emails and stuff like that whenever they choose. Or that the governments could control Internet sites, which publish materials which are un-popular for the government in some sort. ( In Megaupload case they didnt argue about the illegal movies or TV shows, but mostly that they got deleted over time thus making Megaupload anti-piracy at least according to the law and the site itself wasnt responsible for the actions of the users,which uploaded the material. )
So for your torrent argument... If you download a free software from a torrent you are all good.
ACTA in principle is a good thing. If you ever invent some IT-techonology or some sort of intellectual idea/property you basically dont own it and some random dude can just come in and take it for themselves and use it however they like.
But ACTA is too general and from that comes the problems of privacy in the general population.
-so u have the brains to invent something(considering how u talk i seriously doubt it lol) -YOU ARE TELLING YOU WOULD BE CARELESS ENOUGH TO LET IT FALL IN OTHER PEEPS HANDS ??
-what are you? a troubled person with trusting issues ?
Downloading illegal stuff was punishable before as well. And I am not ignorant to let them pass the law, if you read my point against Fomae then you might realize that downloading illegal stuff through torrents isnt the thing Anonymus is trying to stop like Fomae thinks.
So please, use English and explain yourself before you randomly make 2 questions.
knowledge is free for everyone who wants to learn it
-therefore there is only the need to protest against ACTA in matter of privacy and freedom of speech
-everything else in ACTA is about making money and protection for big corporations(like governments ie. themselves who made/invented ACTA)
->your example is an irrelevant one, because noone in his perfect mind would deliberatly share his own projects/private things, you own them has long as you want and share it only when you think its apropriate, many people cannot handle knowledge without imediatly taking it to money or to harm others or to extrictly own benefit <-
NOTE: yeah i suck at english, but so many at cf do and i also make effort to understand them
ACTA is fighting against that and there's every reason to do so.(Although confiscating is little bit extreme, your hardware would only be wiped clean from the data most likely, IF it would happen)
Anyonymus isnt fighting so you could continue downloading illegal materials.
Yes it is :D Downloading for example a copyrighted TV-show House, is illegal.
That's the whole problem with Megaupload, copyrighted media was uploaded there and the site didnt do anything about it... And thus pirating the copyrighted material
ACTA doesnt change or at least in Estonia, it doesnt change any piracy laws. So downloading movies, songs, TV-shows, the laws and punishments would be still the same at least in Estonia.
Meaning that for Estonia ACTA is good because we wont have to change any of our laws and it will help to protect Estonians people's intellectual properties in OTHER countries.
Also the article ( by the Ministery of Foreign Affairs ) also states what downloading material from the Internet without selling purpose isnt against ACTA. And yet again, no criminal laws in Estonia need to be changed for ACTA.
So why would I be against ACTA? You still havent made that clear, why it's so bad.
The Internet-providers dont need to watch and give my every move to the government. ACTA isnt forcing them to do so, although ACTA is like making sure that it's better for the ISP to play along with the governments.
says who?
its same thing as google saying "we know u like things private", BUT we sell your internet searches areas of interest and some personal tastes(taken from searches) to know whats best for you
But you cant access them individually. Who cares if 1000 people in my town download illegal material. If the government cant prove I am one of them, they cant do shit.
You and most protesters( I said most, not all) are just going with the flow.Blindly trusting the anti-movement against ACTA. Most protester are young and really dont understand the idea of ACTA. They just like to protest against the government.
What's not to like to gather with thousands of people with same agenda, having fun, conversations.
And most people go to protest, not cause they care about the privacy issues or something like that. They care about their torrents, their rapidshare accounts, everything which involves FREE movies, FREE TV-shows.
Like Fomae stated so obviously, he only cares about the torrents part and the illegal media.
rich countries write what ironic and blindi wrote.rich countries forgot the history that those poor/damned/opressed will strike once at a time.rich countries are rich because of us,the poor countries.history is not faire,neither are the people.
rich countries are rich because of you? no. your coverment is corrupted and don't know how to use money properly. that's why "rich countries" burn money by giving it to countries like greece.
rich countries are rich because of smart educated people in charge and other people who do their job studiously.
and Finland isn't a rich country, people pay A LOT of taxes here to have a good free education and cheap health care system. that's what every country should have, and forget about wasting money to kill people and such.
are u aware of the large number of intelectuals from all poor countries among the globe imigrating to rich countries?
do u know some history beside the nazi one that your clan is always posting on cf?
yes with finland is not the case,but finland had just the luck of geographical position,but other countries like:austria,germany,england,netherlands,spain etc etc are rich now because of the hundreds and hundreds of years of :colonisation.
smart educated people are everywhere,those money that u educate on are ours.at least a part of it.
well if I lived in romania, greece or poland, I would definitely move away.
the only romanians that are in Finland are fucking poor begging for money on the streets.. they won't even have the money for theirselves.. some romanian gang will gather it. they are not those intelectuals you are talking about and they just come here, because in Finland we don't treat people as they were dogs or smth..
and yes I'm very good at history, one of my best subjects in school.
what you mean with this? it's not like soviet union didn't try to take over us during WW2 and after.. we have had a lot of shit on our backs. we were allies with the nazis.. we lost WW2 but thanks to our hardworking people and smart ppl in charge we are not a poor country now.
smart people are everywhere yes, but not in charge on your country.
ok how is it your money that we educate on? explain please.
u are not good at history,and i say this only by reading what u said about romanians begging for money in your country.those are not romanians ,those are indeed gypsies,probably some of them being from romania as well.if u would be good at history u would know at least that much,that gypsies are in all countries, and all continents,probably the only place u wont find gypsies is africa.the rest,europe,australia,usa and asia is filled with it.
well if u check my profile u will see in the first things i posted on it,the difference between gypsies and romanians.was up with all this mass hysteria of romanians being called gypsies?is 1 because europeans are not educated as much as u think and they dont know that gypsies comes originnaly from india,and were brought in what is now known as romania,around the 14 century ,as slaves,and during time they manage to make themself as almost a 2 million people minority in our country,but also...the europeans are not so educated by in fact knowing that romanians and romanes which is the scientific term for gypsies are in same 2 different things,but because the gypsies from romania was ,not by our faults but by their own nature,robbing litterally europe,after ceausescu and comunism falled,they felt like they can insult us with their racist remarks and call the entire 23 million romanians...gypsies.simply because gypsies from romania are worst than others from other countries.but that is not my problem,the romanians problem,and is not my fault some gypsie from my town or other romanian town came to finland to beg?
about geographical position u talkin about ww2 soviet union,shall we go little bit further back in the history?the entire europe seems to forget,that us,a small island of latinity among the slave countries,fought with the russian empire at east,otoman empire at south and the austrian-hungarian empire at west,and i m not talking about days or weeks,i m talking about century after century.
u mentioned the ussr.was finland a comunist country?i think not.romania was since 1944 till 1989.how u think this left the mark on people and on the country?
there are still much to discuss,but crossfire is not the place.
what the fuck are you talking about? im not talking about gypsies, they are originally from around India, I know that. how stupid you think I am? really.
IM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM ROMANIA AND HAVE IT'S NATIONALITY. I can take a picture for you tomorrow if you want? Helsinki is full of these romanians.
people come from poor countries to finland.. Finland gives them a place to stay and money and stuff. And what they do? they send the money they get back to their own country for their families and goverment that uses it for guns. Money is running away from this country.
Finland was under huge communist pressure till soviet union died. maybe one of the reasons why they didn't take over was the fact that Finland paid all compensations of WW2 on time. we paid 50% of the full amount and after that russia made us free of it.
with the risk of sounds ridiculus,but yes,pls take a picture of those romanians u mentioned.i wanna see how they look
edit:there are gypsies from romania with romanian nationality....as they were borned in our country generation after generation...and actually this is the main reason why europe call us gypsies.
Finland had really no "luck of geographical position" as you so elegantly put it. Fucked up Stalin and the allied invasion of Normandy was our luck and the reasons why the USSR never invaded Finland.
The winter war (1939-1940)
Stalin had slaughtered all his high-ranking officers and put incompetent political leaders in charge of the armed forces. Their war policy was to use troops from the southern part of USSR to fight on the eastern front and vice versa, which resulted in very poor preparations for winter warfare. That winter being exceptionally cold (around -45 'C) also demoralized the freezing invaders. As the war went on, the morale of the soviet troops had hit rock bottom and also after seeing that Finland wouldn't be invaded as easily as the Baltian countries, Stalin decided to give it a rest and agreed on a peace treaty in which Finland lost over 15% of it's surface area.
The continuation war (1941-1944)
Finland attacked alongside the Germans as a part of operation Barbarossa until it came to a halt. In this state the war remained 'till the spring of '44 when the Soviets launched a massive offensive on all fronts. The finns were outnumbered, outgunned and out of ammunition. Why didn't the USSR invade the whole of Finland? The allied forces had landed in Normandy and it started to be a race to Berlin and this race Stalin didn't want to lose. So peace between the USSR and Finland was established (with extremely high costs) and Stalin could concentrate all his forces on the German front and march into Berlin without any real resistance.
The reason Finland has become such a wealthy country is good governing, not 'stolen goods' as you put it. The same applys for Germany for example. DDR existed 'till 1990, and they seem to be fine now.
So get over youself and stop blaming others for your fucked-up leaders in the past.
i would have not mention finland at all in this.only reason this started from acta and end it on finland is because of blindieri and his ussual stupid flame.at least i hope he is smart enough to know that what he is talking is pure bullshit.
u are reffering to only 40 50 years of history,i m talking about hundreds of years of my country history.read what i said to matias in one of the replies.
but anyway this is not about finland or romania at all,is about acta...
and thanks for being the first to say we are not gypsies
how do u know i m not civilized.do u see me calling others by names they are not?do u see me saying untrue things about others?eventually ,on what base u judge me at all?
me on the other hand,i see u posting nazi stuff everywhere,i see u calling somebody gypsi when he is not,u tell me about antonescu,antonescu is 0.1 procent of my country history,what is this prooving?and in the end why in the earth am i talkin to you when i know everything u say is a joke?
2) I dont care what geeks do
3) I cant be arsed to watch youtube vids without any explanation
4) You're not a person to be taken seriously
bad journal
What will you do when you will go in some other country to visit, and you'll be stop at the border and have your phone/laptop confiscated for having illegal media?
"Gypsies" are far better informed atm than you are, and those romanians that you call gypsies are already starting to protest against ACTA.
Anyonymus isnt fighting to continue piracy or something like that. They are fighting so that the government cant look your emails and stuff like that whenever they choose. Or that the governments could control Internet sites, which publish materials which are un-popular for the government in some sort. ( In Megaupload case they didnt argue about the illegal movies or TV shows, but mostly that they got deleted over time thus making Megaupload anti-piracy at least according to the law and the site itself wasnt responsible for the actions of the users,which uploaded the material. )
So for your torrent argument... If you download a free software from a torrent you are all good.
ACTA in principle is a good thing. If you ever invent some IT-techonology or some sort of intellectual idea/property you basically dont own it and some random dude can just come in and take it for themselves and use it however they like.
But ACTA is too general and from that comes the problems of privacy in the general population.
-YOU ARE TELLING YOU WOULD BE CARELESS ENOUGH TO LET IT FALL IN OTHER PEEPS HANDS ??
-what are you? a troubled person with trusting issues ?
The points I made arent made up.
Downloading illegal stuff was punishable before as well. And I am not ignorant to let them pass the law, if you read my point against Fomae then you might realize that downloading illegal stuff through torrents isnt the thing Anonymus is trying to stop like Fomae thinks.
So please, use English and explain yourself before you randomly make 2 questions.
-therefore there is only the need to protest against ACTA in matter of privacy and freedom of speech
-everything else in ACTA is about making money and protection for big corporations(like governments ie. themselves who made/invented ACTA)
->your example is an irrelevant one, because noone in his perfect mind would deliberatly share his own projects/private things, you own them has long as you want and share it only when you think its apropriate, many people cannot handle knowledge without imediatly taking it to money or to harm others or to extrictly own benefit <-
NOTE: yeah i suck at english, but so many at cf do and i also make effort to understand them
ACTA is fighting against that and there's every reason to do so.(Although confiscating is little bit extreme, your hardware would only be wiped clean from the data most likely, IF it would happen)
Anyonymus isnt fighting so you could continue downloading illegal materials.
ACTA WILL MAKE THEM ILLEGAL
Downloading a program, which you need to pay for and cracking it, is illegal :D
ACTA doesnt change that fact.
Downloading a program, which you need to pay for and cracking it, is illegal :D TRUE
but if u download the program and dont crack it(nor changed it), being that program online or not + paid or not FALSE
That's the whole problem with Megaupload, copyrighted media was uploaded there and the site didnt do anything about it... And thus pirating the copyrighted material
if you at home record your favorite tv show is that illegal ?
Meaning that for Estonia ACTA is good because we wont have to change any of our laws and it will help to protect Estonians people's intellectual properties in OTHER countries.
Also the article ( by the Ministery of Foreign Affairs ) also states what downloading material from the Internet without selling purpose isnt against ACTA. And yet again, no criminal laws in Estonia need to be changed for ACTA.
So why would I be against ACTA? You still havent made that clear, why it's so bad.
yes by searching everything in ur pc PRIVATE OR NOT
i believe no one downloads series to sell, only to watch
The Internet-providers dont need to watch and give my every move to the government. ACTA isnt forcing them to do so, although ACTA is like making sure that it's better for the ISP to play along with the governments.
BUT travelling by airplane with ur laptop will be challenging
The problem with ACTA isnt that the governments can suddenly access that data, but it makes quite hard for ISP to say no.
its same thing as google saying "we know u like things private", BUT we sell your internet searches areas of interest and some personal tastes(taken from searches) to know whats best for you
At least that's the most general law I know in Estonia.
But he got money ticket, but didnt go to jail.
E. But I guess he used some file sharing program or something, like Kazaa etc, so he shared. Didnt only download it.
How could I let it fall in other people's hands when I have trust issues...
e: ..because they will be protected.. and their work safe....blablabla
What's not to like to gather with thousands of people with same agenda, having fun, conversations.
And most people go to protest, not cause they care about the privacy issues or something like that. They care about their torrents, their rapidshare accounts, everything which involves FREE movies, FREE TV-shows.
Like Fomae stated so obviously, he only cares about the torrents part and the illegal media.
jeeeez my english must be awfull
I pointed out that following and hyping the movement AGAINST ACTA is as blind as my trust in the government.
therefore i am against the whole shabang
2) wont happen
3) keep up the good work but romania wont make an impact on international pacts
wtf are rich countries doing?
though there are ppl... "fighting"
planned demonstartions so far in germany(source is just facebook):
Aachen
Annaberg-Buchholz
Augsburg
Berlin
Bielefeld
Bonn
Bottrop
Braunschweig
Bremen
Crailsheim
Chemnitz
Dortmund
Düsseldorf
Dresden
Duisburg
Erfurt
Frankfurt(Main)
Frankfurt(Oder)
Freiburg
Freyung
Gera
Halle (Sale)
Hamburg
Hannover
Heidelberg
Heidenheim
Hof
Ingolstadt
Kassel
Köln
Kiel
Kreis Mettmann
Leipzig
Magdeburg
Mainz
Mannheim
München
Münster
Neubrandenburg
Neuss:
Nordenham
Nordheim
Nürnberg
Oldenburg
Osnabrück
Potsdamm
Ravensburg
Regensburg
Rostock
Saarbrücken
Schwerin
Stade
Stuttgart
Trier
Ulm
Weinheim
Wesel
Wilhemlshaven
Wuppertal
Würzburg
there comes more day by day!
rich countries are rich because of smart educated people in charge and other people who do their job studiously.
and Finland isn't a rich country, people pay A LOT of taxes here to have a good free education and cheap health care system. that's what every country should have, and forget about wasting money to kill people and such.
are u aware of the large number of intelectuals from all poor countries among the globe imigrating to rich countries?
do u know some history beside the nazi one that your clan is always posting on cf?
yes with finland is not the case,but finland had just the luck of geographical position,but other countries like:austria,germany,england,netherlands,spain etc etc are rich now because of the hundreds and hundreds of years of :colonisation.
smart educated people are everywhere,those money that u educate on are ours.at least a part of it.
well if I lived in romania, greece or poland, I would definitely move away.
the only romanians that are in Finland are fucking poor begging for money on the streets.. they won't even have the money for theirselves.. some romanian gang will gather it. they are not those intelectuals you are talking about and they just come here, because in Finland we don't treat people as they were dogs or smth..
and yes I'm very good at history, one of my best subjects in school.
what you mean with this? it's not like soviet union didn't try to take over us during WW2 and after.. we have had a lot of shit on our backs. we were allies with the nazis.. we lost WW2 but thanks to our hardworking people and smart ppl in charge we are not a poor country now.
smart people are everywhere yes, but not in charge on your country.
ok how is it your money that we educate on? explain please.
well if u check my profile u will see in the first things i posted on it,the difference between gypsies and romanians.was up with all this mass hysteria of romanians being called gypsies?is 1 because europeans are not educated as much as u think and they dont know that gypsies comes originnaly from india,and were brought in what is now known as romania,around the 14 century ,as slaves,and during time they manage to make themself as almost a 2 million people minority in our country,but also...the europeans are not so educated by in fact knowing that romanians and romanes which is the scientific term for gypsies are in same 2 different things,but because the gypsies from romania was ,not by our faults but by their own nature,robbing litterally europe,after ceausescu and comunism falled,they felt like they can insult us with their racist remarks and call the entire 23 million romanians...gypsies.simply because gypsies from romania are worst than others from other countries.but that is not my problem,the romanians problem,and is not my fault some gypsie from my town or other romanian town came to finland to beg?
about education in your country we know a lot ,trust me :http://www.edux.ro/data/articol/articol.php?id=478
now u need prooves of educated romanians living in finland?http://www.romanians-fi.info/ro/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 and believe me this are not gypsies.
about geographical position u talkin about ww2 soviet union,shall we go little bit further back in the history?the entire europe seems to forget,that us,a small island of latinity among the slave countries,fought with the russian empire at east,otoman empire at south and the austrian-hungarian empire at west,and i m not talking about days or weeks,i m talking about century after century.
u mentioned the ussr.was finland a comunist country?i think not.romania was since 1944 till 1989.how u think this left the mark on people and on the country?
there are still much to discuss,but crossfire is not the place.
what the fuck are you talking about? im not talking about gypsies, they are originally from around India, I know that. how stupid you think I am? really.
IM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM ROMANIA AND HAVE IT'S NATIONALITY. I can take a picture for you tomorrow if you want? Helsinki is full of these romanians.
people come from poor countries to finland.. Finland gives them a place to stay and money and stuff. And what they do? they send the money they get back to their own country for their families and goverment that uses it for guns. Money is running away from this country.
Finland was under huge communist pressure till soviet union died. maybe one of the reasons why they didn't take over was the fact that Finland paid all compensations of WW2 on time. we paid 50% of the full amount and after that russia made us free of it.
edit:there are gypsies from romania with romanian nationality....as they were borned in our country generation after generation...and actually this is the main reason why europe call us gypsies.
Finland had really no "luck of geographical position" as you so elegantly put it. Fucked up Stalin and the allied invasion of Normandy was our luck and the reasons why the USSR never invaded Finland.
The winter war (1939-1940)
Stalin had slaughtered all his high-ranking officers and put incompetent political leaders in charge of the armed forces. Their war policy was to use troops from the southern part of USSR to fight on the eastern front and vice versa, which resulted in very poor preparations for winter warfare. That winter being exceptionally cold (around -45 'C) also demoralized the freezing invaders. As the war went on, the morale of the soviet troops had hit rock bottom and also after seeing that Finland wouldn't be invaded as easily as the Baltian countries, Stalin decided to give it a rest and agreed on a peace treaty in which Finland lost over 15% of it's surface area.
The continuation war (1941-1944)
Finland attacked alongside the Germans as a part of operation Barbarossa until it came to a halt. In this state the war remained 'till the spring of '44 when the Soviets launched a massive offensive on all fronts. The finns were outnumbered, outgunned and out of ammunition. Why didn't the USSR invade the whole of Finland? The allied forces had landed in Normandy and it started to be a race to Berlin and this race Stalin didn't want to lose. So peace between the USSR and Finland was established (with extremely high costs) and Stalin could concentrate all his forces on the German front and march into Berlin without any real resistance.
The reason Finland has become such a wealthy country is good governing, not 'stolen goods' as you put it. The same applys for Germany for example. DDR existed 'till 1990, and they seem to be fine now.
So get over youself and stop blaming others for your fucked-up leaders in the past.
And romanians aren't gypsies
u are reffering to only 40 50 years of history,i m talking about hundreds of years of my country history.read what i said to matias in one of the replies.
but anyway this is not about finland or romania at all,is about acta...
and thanks for being the first to say we are not gypsies
how is it that the rich countries rob you guys?
beside i really dont feel like talking with scumbags
me on the other hand,i see u posting nazi stuff everywhere,i see u calling somebody gypsi when he is not,u tell me about antonescu,antonescu is 0.1 procent of my country history,what is this prooving?and in the end why in the earth am i talkin to you when i know everything u say is a joke?