I sometimes wonder why the average pro gamer is so much more eloquent and soft-spoken than the average football player, despite not taking the public speaking classes football players usually do.
the average gamer I guess relies more on verbal communication I guess, even duel games players are on comms of some sort a lot of the time - maybe gamers are normally in education longer? who knows :) its highlighted when a sportsman is smart IE Frank Lampard having a high IQ but its only highlight if gamers are complete dumbasses, I guess the general intelligence of a gamer is higher overall.
Also, going by that logic, all of the mouz SC2 players would be dropped as Thorzain was easily their most well-known and prestigious player in that current lineup.
I heard rumors in the german scene that Mouz offered him to continue with the same conditions just without being located in Korea, perfectly knowing that he wont continue that way.
Also, rumors said that Mouz wants to focus on other games which can reach "non-gamers" more easily than SC, for example Track Mania 2, which is "easy to understand" and the upcoming mobile gaming (almost everyone owning a smart phone knows Angry Birds which actually is a competitive game in Mobile Gaming (I havent yet figured out how that works in competition tbh)
Well, everything I said was based on the rumors I picked up but it came from various people which arent related to each other...
"I heard rumors in the german scene that Mouz offered him to continue with the same conditions just without being located in Korea, perfectly knowing that he wont continue that way."
These two sentences are not synonymous. They either didn't want him anymore, or couldn't afford him. You can't have both.
i am just thinking of it as a german organisation losing a terrific player. whos left now @ german orgs? mana, morrow? aTx players are not strong enough anyway.
There's still Type which has a lot of potential. Hasu is getting stronger and stronger. Alternate is doing okay, I guess, especially Socke. Also ESC Icy Box with monchi and GoOdy is getting very strong.
Depends. iNcontroL once said he can live well off streaming and salaries. The numbers themself are under covers to the general public obviously. As far as I know, most players get to keep the majority of their tournament earnings, but that depends from contract to contract. If I remember correctly, TLO once mentioned that he gets to keep 100% of tournament wins, while most Koreans have a certain percentage they have to give to their teams.
My estimations would be that the average of the top 20 earning players would be something between $15k and $30k a year. To see what players got from tournaments you can check http://sc2earnings.com/
E: You have to keep in mind that salaries of progamers mostly depend on their ROI (Return Of Investment) for sponsors and not their skill. That's why people like IdrA and iNcontroL are probably worth more despite doing poorly in tournaments lately. You also have people like Grubby and WhiteRa who are not affiliated with any team and sponsored directly.
I cant remember what time the peak time is, something like 14CET where all timezones are awake to some extent and they can get those sort of numbers only for like an hour or two at max - but that could still amount to 30(,000)x €3 = 90 euros for an hours basically public play, kinda nice :d
the norm is like 5-10k for those sort of players I guess, I dont keep track of the numbers much. looking at own3d now ocelot has like 12-15k now.
Ultimately it always boils down to your partnering contracts and daily rates. As I said, those people are among the Top 20 earners. If you look at Destiny for example, he says he makes enough by streaming alone, because he as a person is entertaining and somewhat skilled. That, and the flack he got for his phrasing during matches was the reason he asked Quantic to cancel his contract.
Mediocre streamers, however, would struggle if it wasn't for steady salaries.
true enough, but a team like EG will survive purely off of perks, I have no idea how much they have to pay for themselves @ that house (food, bills etc) I would assume little to nothing. this is a great perk as then anything (and everything, even if meager) would be all profit.
Everyone knows that EG members live solely off Monster drinks. As far as I know teams have different ways to handle stream income and tournament prizes, which is all defined by their contracts. It is also well-known that EG is one of the richest organizations in eSports right now.
At least they're not shy to put their face on a brand. And with iNcontroL they have one of the most vocal guys in the community, as well as the polarizing person that is IdrA.
yea but they are quite warm too, you almost like incontrol instantly as well as his lady ;) the other guys have there things too - compared to for instance lot of LoL guys streaming could literally be all the same person as they have exactly the same emotions and vocab.
Not to forget DeMu, one of the cutest guys ever. And I personnally find Anna Prosser painfully overrated. It appears to me that she is only known to the community because she's at the EG lair and iNcontroL's fiancé.
The problem with LoL streams is that there are only so many ways to play certain champions. Streamers also almost only play rankeds with people you don't really know and not their teammates. People like oce1ote are entertaining to watch because he talks and does some other funny shit all the time. Destiny in SC2, while lacking some skill, is famous for the same reason. Dragon, who is now with Millenium is a Korean who actually opens his mouth and is fun to watch, even for foreigners, has decent stream numbers even though he's just getting better as a player for the past few months.
An entertaining persona can compensate for a lot, but if you actually combine that with absolute top level play, you're bound to strike gold.
Spoonin' it up.
Well said Kevin friend
It was obviously them who didnt want him anymore.
And I guess Cengiz wants more money for himself.
I heard he just became to expensive for Mouz, no real ROI there
I heard rumors in the german scene that Mouz offered him to continue with the same conditions just without being located in Korea, perfectly knowing that he wont continue that way.
Also, rumors said that Mouz wants to focus on other games which can reach "non-gamers" more easily than SC, for example Track Mania 2, which is "easy to understand" and the upcoming mobile gaming (almost everyone owning a smart phone knows Angry Birds which actually is a competitive game in Mobile Gaming (I havent yet figured out how that works in competition tbh)
Well, everything I said was based on the rumors I picked up but it came from various people which arent related to each other...
"I heard rumors in the german scene that Mouz offered him to continue with the same conditions just without being located in Korea, perfectly knowing that he wont continue that way."
These two sentences are not synonymous. They either didn't want him anymore, or couldn't afford him. You can't have both.
I still offered you to buy your car.
My estimations would be that the average of the top 20 earning players would be something between $15k and $30k a year. To see what players got from tournaments you can check http://sc2earnings.com/
E: You have to keep in mind that salaries of progamers mostly depend on their ROI (Return Of Investment) for sponsors and not their skill. That's why people like IdrA and iNcontroL are probably worth more despite doing poorly in tournaments lately. You also have people like Grubby and WhiteRa who are not affiliated with any team and sponsored directly.
the norm is like 5-10k for those sort of players I guess, I dont keep track of the numbers much. looking at own3d now ocelot has like 12-15k now.
Mediocre streamers, however, would struggle if it wasn't for steady salaries.
The problem with LoL streams is that there are only so many ways to play certain champions. Streamers also almost only play rankeds with people you don't really know and not their teammates. People like oce1ote are entertaining to watch because he talks and does some other funny shit all the time. Destiny in SC2, while lacking some skill, is famous for the same reason. Dragon, who is now with Millenium is a Korean who actually opens his mouth and is fun to watch, even for foreigners, has decent stream numbers even though he's just getting better as a player for the past few months.
An entertaining persona can compensate for a lot, but if you actually combine that with absolute top level play, you're bound to strike gold.