Reactor_Final

by Rayzed • 17 Jul 2012, 22:44 • Journals
After playing reactor_final for the first time in ages tonight, I was asking myself "Why isnt reactor played anymore?".

I mean the map is great, balance is good, both teams have the chance to win.

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SPU9 17 Jul 2012, 23:56
well i think most of the teams dont like it because nowadays every team wants to rush/frag without big tactics...just push and sk ...if you do this on reactor you ll lose within a minute because once the allies are inside they can easily "spawnkill" the axis cauz of just the one door and the 2 other ways... so you need to have "proper" tacs and atleast 2-3 people inside/no sk to prevent the rushing allied forces from taking over the room ;D

in case i got some more time i will do some 6v6 cups with "new" maps (e.g. reactor, library or pirates again ;D atleast i like the feeling on those "new" maps and it is something new to one`s eyes ;D)
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walle 18 Jul 2012, 00:50
Thing is that even with "proper" tacs that shit was way too random to play at. Even if you practiced it 200 times seriously it would still be the same rush/fragfest after that because thats only thing that map offers. In the end of it it made no sense to pracc it anymore since the results/pracctime invested were much more efficiently used in any other map. Probably one of the worst maps ever played in ET.
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Salaneuvos 18 Jul 2012, 01:52
As walle stated, it's impossible for either side to have a proper idea of what's going on in the game, the final stage is way too chaotic/random.

But I do like the idea of mixing a covert op for the main objective and since no other map has that quality the map is fun to play but definitely not for serious competition.
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niSmO 18 Jul 2012, 12:37
agree with the two above me, for a praccing team it is impossible
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stKz 18 Jul 2012, 00:08
was a pretty fun map idd :-)
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miNd 18 Jul 2012, 00:08
cause its not balanced at all, close to impossible to defend properly
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Rickk 18 Jul 2012, 00:40
The first stage was pure "rape" for a MG42 at Defense, or a Panzer at Allied. Also at the last stage it was way to complicated to blow up the controls and actually keep them destroyed.
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ViKO 18 Jul 2012, 00:12
karsiah!
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Weslann 18 Jul 2012, 00:31
Once allies gets inside, ur fucked
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kartez 18 Jul 2012, 00:34
i like this map + karsiah but nerds can only play supply grush & adler

in france we had severals fun cup with fun map ( karsiah, reactor, hog b12, warbell, northpole etc ) i would be happy to play a cup like that for fun :)
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miNd 18 Jul 2012, 00:57
"but nerds can only play supply grush & adler"

It's not like the same nerds wouldnt rape u on any of those maps u named
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kartez 18 Jul 2012, 02:18
first i dont get raped
8d

second im just playing a game per week, playing others old map is fine for me and i dont see the link about wnning/losing on map like karsiah etc
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SPU9 18 Jul 2012, 01:04
i can remember betatesting on the hog map..was quit fun ;) and cool to play
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jAuu 18 Jul 2012, 01:26
hog_b12 has been played at the two latest frenchlan and it was quite fun
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kartez 18 Jul 2012, 02:19
we even played railgun @ semi final :xDDDDD
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yellowpowerranger 18 Jul 2012, 01:24
yeah warbell was actually very nice
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Cupra 18 Jul 2012, 00:36
Better question why isn't sos_secretweapon played
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Lover 18 Jul 2012, 00:40
that was a good map.too bad it was ignored lately
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dinev 18 Jul 2012, 02:38
lately? last time i played this map in competition was in 2003 or 2004 :<
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Lover 18 Jul 2012, 12:33
it was in cb nc 2009 maps
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dinev 18 Jul 2012, 18:42
interesting...i wonder how often it actually got played...
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HIRVI 18 Jul 2012, 00:42
Need missile_b3 in mappool.
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Cannonize 18 Jul 2012, 00:53
It was nice indeed to play after so long
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Nonix 18 Jul 2012, 01:09
i liked the map, but competition wise its bad
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twidi 18 Jul 2012, 01:29
Decent map for public / random mixes, but not suitable for competition. Impossible to get a stable defence going on there and the last stage is one of the most chaotic stages I've seen in ET.
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SPU9 18 Jul 2012, 01:35
what about wolken? hog? pirates? library? sos_secretweapon or dubrovnik ;D
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flR 18 Jul 2012, 09:24
idd pirates IS amazing, likely to be a 2nd grush if all these fags would give it a try. literally the same with library (just without the grush part ^^)
do not know the others xD
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knnk 18 Jul 2012, 01:51
It was fun to play it and we almost fullhold so i cant see reason why it cant be defended
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dinev 18 Jul 2012, 02:37
"its so chaotic,impossible to defend blabla" is just another way to say " we cant rush&selfkill on this map which means we are basically clueless how to defend properly now"
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niSmO 18 Jul 2012, 12:40
not true, the last stage is such a shitstorm its impossible to have any sort of coherent tactics. too many entrances to the main room, all of them too close together and an objective that is erratic and difficult. Throw into that mix the chance to spawnkill really hard and its just not cut out for competition.
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dinev 18 Jul 2012, 18:41
in the end it always applies to both sides,so it might not be too structured,still whoever can adapt best to the map wins it.luck is always a factor too of course,but thats in every map.people just dont like it because they havent played it often (maybe 20 times in comparision with supply which they played maybe about 1000 times in their careers) which means they cannot apply their routines
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niSmO 18 Jul 2012, 23:15
Not true. Saying that 'it applies to both sides' doesn't make any sense, and could be said about anything, no matter how badly made it was. Say, for instance, I make a map with 15 stages, each of which are very easy to defend and impossibly hard to attack, would it be a good map? Of course not, but you could say 'it applies to both sides'. Think about it.

Your point about routine is not true either, since there has to be an element of routine and tactical approach and planning that can be applied to sections of a map. That is what makes being in a praccing 'team' worth being in, since your hard work praccing actually pays dividends when it goes well. Reactor is fun, but has no element of tactics incorporated into it whatsoever - you cannot plan for the last stage, MG and panzer are overpowered in the first stage, which places it firmly in the realm of being a map that suits those who play as a mixteam, and not those who play as a praccing, tactical team. Therefore, in competetions (where teamplay and tactical mastery should surely be encouraged) it shouldnt be played.
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dinev 18 Jul 2012, 23:39
first: the map would probably end with two fullholds,which isnt a bad thing.and if it doesnt end in two fullholds its also not a bad thing.if the better team wins in attack,they are clearly better,if it ends in two fullholds there will be a decider or whatsoever.sure its not optimal,but your example doesnt even apply to reactor so its pretty much useless point

second: i see what you are saying,but i wouldnt just say that you cannot plan the last stage.you surely can if you put some effort in it and if the map gets changed a bit. and the "teamplay and tactical mastery" will surely be encouraged and praccing teams can also get advantages too on this map compared to mixes
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miNd 18 Jul 2012, 16:14
Pretty funny how this comment is coming from a guy who has never played ET on any decent level
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dinev 18 Jul 2012, 18:54
ive been playing on a pretty decent level actually, not ec level but still the real med+ level...and that was in 2009...so basically i stopped playing 3 years ago while you are still nerding 24/7 to be finally on the highest level with barely any competition around...its an achievement, right...but i wouldnt be too proud of it
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miNd 18 Jul 2012, 21:39
Im pretty sure the first EC i won was 2009, isnt that pretty high level?
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dedz 18 Jul 2012, 01:52
I like any map that isnt supply or goldrush
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Xo 18 Jul 2012, 02:00
last stage way to chaotic, needs some tweaking if it's ever gonna be played competitively.
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b00n 18 Jul 2012, 02:23
there are so many good maps........
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hizzy 18 Jul 2012, 06:13
do 6 basic maps NEW maps for cb and lets play it


new maps --> new tax ---> et alive ;D!
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KittET 18 Jul 2012, 12:16
hope it was ironic...
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niSmO 18 Jul 2012, 12:43
personally think that new maps should be tried a lot

Bremen should be played more (there are lotto factors, but good tacs etc can be brilliant) along with karsiah (which is very similar to radar it its formulation? just in a closer space), dunno about any others
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Ethr 18 Jul 2012, 13:22
My personal favourite map, very fun, very intense and is good for team work
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