ET alive,or...?
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26 Oct 2012, 22:56
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First of all,please read this without any predujice.. I know some of you (who knows me,who know better for you&me maybe..) think im retarded.. Just ignore it..
The TZAC saga,Kamz post and many other things made me think about ET and the "competitive scene"..
You know,that there is still a lot of players (playing actively..) that play in cups,ladders,odc etc.. But are there any incomers? If not,why?..
You can look at splatterladder and everyday find atleast 2servers (non-etpro) with 40+ people on it,that is BIG number for such a old game... Plus there is many servers with 20/30 players+ every day..
How many players play on ETPro publics? NBS#1 + eG| (non-tzac forced..) are the only full almost everyday.. BiO is full like 2times in week?.. Although i can be "random retarded newschool" for a lot of players,i remember 2years ago,when there were 10full ETPro servers (publics) with TZAC/Slac forced.. What happened?..
What are your ideas for making this game more popular?
New mods?
New cups?
New game,but sam engine?
I would say that the biggest (maybe not the biggest,but a really big one..) problem are maps.. Just look at ETTV,you can see only Supply,Grush or sometimes Adlernest/Bremen.. Where are the good maps like Karsiah,Frostbite,Braundorf ? (cant remember on more maps..)
Why there arent new maps? (Of course,no motivation,but maybe just no ideas?..)
I'd love to make new maps,but i have no clue about making them and the tutorials aint useful.. + what would community like? small maps? many places to hide? docs to run? obj to destroy? tank? truck? barriers? flags?...
On the other side,there is one thing..
If you have some guy (just say he played for year,two jaymod/nq),who just wants to play etpro and is nerdy enough to play very often,because he wants to become better..
The problems are,there isnt many good players/team,that will take newbie and carry him/believe in him and make him a big/good player.. There is a lot of potentials,that should become good,but they never get their chance (im not talking about myself,since im noob,but i want to improve..) to play on better level than they/or their aim/exp./brain is...
Plus if he tell himself,oke im newbie,so lets nerd 3o3 and improve atleast my aim and knowledge of maps.. You have these fucking retards,who all the time searching med-/low+ and they are med/med+ just to troll "noobs"... And if they're winning and owning,they just start to flame and troll,so the player doesnt have any taste to play more..
To be honest i dont know what to change,maybe just make a few peoples ETPro recruiters and spam on these Jaymods/NQs/Silents about ETPro and Crossfire.. -> there wiould be smth like Tutorial for beginners and everything about TZAC,autoexec (configs),maps,tips..
Really appreciate every normal answer... :))
cheers
The TZAC saga,Kamz post and many other things made me think about ET and the "competitive scene"..
You know,that there is still a lot of players (playing actively..) that play in cups,ladders,odc etc.. But are there any incomers? If not,why?..
You can look at splatterladder and everyday find atleast 2servers (non-etpro) with 40+ people on it,that is BIG number for such a old game... Plus there is many servers with 20/30 players+ every day..
How many players play on ETPro publics? NBS#1 + eG| (non-tzac forced..) are the only full almost everyday.. BiO is full like 2times in week?.. Although i can be "random retarded newschool" for a lot of players,i remember 2years ago,when there were 10full ETPro servers (publics) with TZAC/Slac forced.. What happened?..
What are your ideas for making this game more popular?
New mods?
New cups?
New game,but sam engine?
I would say that the biggest (maybe not the biggest,but a really big one..) problem are maps.. Just look at ETTV,you can see only Supply,Grush or sometimes Adlernest/Bremen.. Where are the good maps like Karsiah,Frostbite,Braundorf ? (cant remember on more maps..)
Why there arent new maps? (Of course,no motivation,but maybe just no ideas?..)
I'd love to make new maps,but i have no clue about making them and the tutorials aint useful.. + what would community like? small maps? many places to hide? docs to run? obj to destroy? tank? truck? barriers? flags?...
On the other side,there is one thing..
If you have some guy (just say he played for year,two jaymod/nq),who just wants to play etpro and is nerdy enough to play very often,because he wants to become better..
The problems are,there isnt many good players/team,that will take newbie and carry him/believe in him and make him a big/good player.. There is a lot of potentials,that should become good,but they never get their chance (im not talking about myself,since im noob,but i want to improve..) to play on better level than they/or their aim/exp./brain is...
Plus if he tell himself,oke im newbie,so lets nerd 3o3 and improve atleast my aim and knowledge of maps.. You have these fucking retards,who all the time searching med-/low+ and they are med/med+ just to troll "noobs"... And if they're winning and owning,they just start to flame and troll,so the player doesnt have any taste to play more..
To be honest i dont know what to change,maybe just make a few peoples ETPro recruiters and spam on these Jaymods/NQs/Silents about ETPro and Crossfire.. -> there wiould be smth like Tutorial for beginners and everything about TZAC,autoexec (configs),maps,tips..
Really appreciate every normal answer... :))
cheers
good that i found 2players in the past :)
he is now in my team :D!
In the end I think it's just a dying game and it's not interesting for the 'new' generation gamers (the 14-year-old-call-of-duty-console-players generation).
So with very few new players, the player base will decrease (duh).
New maps/mods etc won't work, maps like pirates etc failed becasue the ETPro community doens't really want new maps.
Most of the Jaymod players dó know about CF/ETpro/GamesTV, but they just prefer Jaymod because they like to play for fun and want short spawntimes, double jump, lots of maps, funsounds, etc etc.
So in the end I think it's very hard to 'save' ET. We need new players and the only way to gather them are projects like Steam and, hopefully, ETLive. Time will tell.
Pirates was really good map!
ETPro community doesnt want to play this map,or just skilled teams?.. I've had many times discuss on some random IRC wars,about maps.. (im mercing mostly for med- mixes..) and most of the people said,that there wont be any problem for them to play and learn new maps...
6 months back we had Pirates on NBS#2 (Map rotation server) and a couple of ppl liked it but most of them voted next map...
There were also Library,which is really good for players on NoQuarter (what i've heard always full 13 on 13 and love this map..),but for ETPro..
Pirates are pretty good.. Dont know why people dont like them..
like Bring The Good Times back or something
with battery , railgun , oasis ( 3 rounds )
RAILGUN IS SUCH A BADASS HARD MAP !!!
crevasse was also a pretty good map..
+pretty much fun
+like the movements in et
+u need some teamplay and brains
-almost every stupid cvar command is blocked, especially on render commands..
-no good maps anymore, boring after 5 years
-no etpro updates, would be nice aswell since 3.2.6 is played since 2006...
-heads hitboxes are in the ass of the most opponents...
-pronedelay :D
-no cups anymore
-so many banned people, tho there isnt even a reason for it... (hi2u oh wait ur not cool and tamj)
the - reasons won and thats why et is gettin boring... it would be worth 2 bring a try with the good old maps...
there are not 3000 players playing at any time. maybe 300 + 2700 bots
brown line = bots
green line = players online
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there is hundreds of people playing on fun modes...
besides, even if u're searching low war @ irc, people are still skilled enough to beat the shit out of beginners. lack of active public servers is another reason, when i started i played only publics for couple of months, then i started to play "more serious" - cw's. no idea about fun modes cause i havent played nq or jaymodes in my entire et career (8 years)
that lead us to the situation where old competetive players are getting too old and quit ET, and beginners are getting pwned by still playing ones. so there's more and more ppl quitting and noone comes to replace them = et slowly dying (almost dead already - im writing it for the first time in my career ;P)
stopped reading
I like you . You seem to be a sweet child , but you have a problem. You worry to much about unimportant things. You have such hard thaughts in your teenager period, about how to "save" ET but let me tell you something that a great man once said to another great man :
"No matter how good you are playing ET you can t learn about real life by playing this game."
Now to answer your topic. It seems that what you in fact are asking is why are some mods like jaymod/silent more popular than et pro. I ll take a guess, you pick what you like:
-jaymod/silent as admin levels , chicks love admin levels so they can spank naughty kids on their ass.et pro does not
-jaymod/silent does not require a very "serious" playing , etpro does.Therefore in jaymod/silent you can play around , in et pro you can t, you have to be very serious and impress with your huge cock and dmg
-jaymod/silent gets updated or at least one of it. Et pro has not been updated in ages, nor that will ever be I think
-jaymod/silent has a lot of "extra shit" that makes it much more attractive to people who don t wanna go to lan and beat the shit out of them nerds.
-jaymod/silent says hallo to new maps, et pro does not, because players in et pro got ego and lazy ness and they don t wanna learn new maps because they will loose dmg on those maps, therefore loosing dmg they loose their pride and honour and they will be humiliated for the rest of their lifes
-jaymod/silent does not throw shit in new comers, et pro does.
Hoping that this will fit your hunger , I wish you nothing but the best
oh mein netzteil kann erst nächste woche geschickt werden :(
ich bin so ien opfaaaaaaa
this games problem isnt its lack of new maps or new cups the problem is the screwed up "competitive community" and always was
I hope within a few years there's an FPS game worth playing, hopefully 2GD's 'Reborn' will be exactly that. the only games I can ever enjoy these days are ET, Quake and memories of CS which I haven't touched in god knows how long. til there's something new I'll just continue what I'm doing now, someday you need to get past all this fucking drama it's depressing to look at this shit from players who were playing etpro for less than 1 year.
Admin just needs to force it out. Then it opens some way for other maps. Goldrush,Radar,Adler,Bremen,Frost, will be there and will become more played. And some new maps can get a chance. The thing is ET is very much mixed based nowadays so maps like Missile won't work well. Karsiah, Braundorf and SW Battery, 1 or 2 of these maps should be reintroduced.
One solution would be to organize wars only for these newcomers, so the skill level is similar... but there are too few teams for that.
Another solution would be to pick the most talented players, teach them how to play wars... but most of the better players just cant play with newbs, they get frustrated so early and start to flame the poor guy.
So this happened with us also... I saw many talented new players on publics, I made them involved in wars... but they just moved away after some time, because they didn't have the motivation to play for months to be able to beat a lowskilled team.
The first step into the war-scene is just too big so they give up. thats all.
1 year ago i tried the same with the romanian community, from SS server (supersoldiers or smth) and there ere loads of old men ... i mean they were self called The SS Family.
so me and few friends saw the potential of the youngsters (my age) and we kept comming to their server , playing shitmod ~nitmod was quite fun and decent though~ and even go on teamspeak and have a chat with them , listening to their big aiming egos :D
they were taking the owning and competition shit very serious, so we started making map records on their sv to grab their interest ( we were enjoying it so much) and then we called them to play 3on3 between romanians only . they've made their team and kept challenging us. ofc they didnt know shit , aim nor map objective .
but, BUT , they liked it, they saw that there was competition, they saw that the game is beyond what they were doing. so we kept training them and show them tactics , tips how to some things etc and introduced them intro IRC
these guys started taking low- games and advanced in 2 weeks from low- to low+(we were speccing their games showing them what they did bad or good~ when they were going for a revive spree , like 7 revives when the enemies were shooting them we congratulated them etc so the moral will boost)
after that , they started playing cups/ladders in 2on2 , and 3on3 . they were going very well
one of them was
who scared the shit out of 1on1 ladder
http://www.esl.eu/eu/et/1on1/ladder/
and this in only 1 year
dem grandpas got so mad for taking their allstar
even banned them from everything possible
tl;dr you have to keep searching , these children got big potential and most of them know how to take a competition
but hope you read everything :D
You came from Narnia?
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