Oxy, HELP!

by Ceres • 24 Mar 2014, 02:36 • Journals
Is all of this good? Keep in mind I don't know shit about PC parts and the list was made by someone else.

CPU Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (already bought)
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card
Case Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Monitor Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor
Sound Card Asus Xonar DG 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (already bought)
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Oxy 24 Mar 2014, 03:18
lol

It's alright if you don't plan on OC'ing, ever. Otherwise look into a Z87 board and k CPU.
I'd most definitely add a SSD to the list, Samsung S840 Pro is usually the go to drive these days.
If you plan on saving a few bucks considering the SSD, replace the PSU with a 430W or 450W of the same series.
Monitor is personal preference I suppose(are you planning to add a g-sync chip to it anytime soon?), but esreality and overclock.net do strongly believe the BenQ XL2411t to perform better.

Also, I genuinely would recommend to get a OC'able setup, while it's great and you may save 50-100USD, with your current list, you can easily get massive performance boost out of your hardware in a few very simple steps. Your RAM is quite decent as well, will run on 1866 @ 1.65V ([email protected]). It's definitely something you should consider, save a little bit of money and be locked down? Or pay a bit extra and, maybe in a year to come, when you feel more confident about it and after having read up on some topics on various forums, crank that fucker to 4ghz or higher. Same goes for your GPU really, don't be scared to overclock. Performance gain is more than worth it.

Since I'm assuming you'll be using amazon or newegg for most of your purchases, here would be a OC'able CPU and board to go with it, for merely 70USD more. Which again, you can save by replacing the Rams for 2x4GB sticks, as detdet has already pointed out, or getting a lower Wattage PSU. In the long run, definitely the better investment. :)

Intel Core i5-4670K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899
ASRock Z87 PRO4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157381

Edit for comparison's sake,
your setup: 1490USD http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3fovX
my setup: 1557USD http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3fozl
Difference being, you can OC and have a slightly better CPU on stock values, that may just last you a little bit longer without having to pull deep into your pockets for an upgrade.
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detdet 24 Mar 2014, 05:28
Just to expand on what Oxy said, unless you do plan on using g-sync, the BenQ and Asus monitors are nearly identical so it really comes down to which one is cheaper for you imo.
Even if you don't plan on overclocking at the beginning, having the option of overclocking may help delay 1-2 more years before you may have to upgrade your pc down the line.
You already bought the sound card but unless you are doing heavy intricate music editing or something of that nature, onboard sound on most motherboards are more than enough.
8gb of RAM is also more than enough for most but if you can afford it there's nothing terribly wrong with having more.
Adding an SSD would be nice but its definitely not a necessity, especially since prices are slowly starting to drop.

http://pcpartpicker.com/
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Powi 24 Mar 2014, 10:53
how do u know which cpu / memory module can be overclocked and which not? Also how do u know which motherboard is overclock friendly? You read the manual of every part or ...?
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assgaard 24 Mar 2014, 11:48
you test it :)
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blackwolf1 24 Mar 2014, 14:01
the K means the chip has an unlocked multiplier. Therefore it can be easily overclocked to much higher frequencies. For example i5 4570, not overclockable and i5 4570K which is overclockable. (I dont know anything about AMD chips)
Then you need a P or Z series motherboards to overclock the K series chips. For example P85 & Z87 series MBs
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detdet 24 Mar 2014, 14:30
If your RAM sticks have some fancy heat spreaders on it, chances are it's overclockable. Overclockable ram is also slightly more expensive than value ram, which generally look like plain green sticks. Googling the part # normally will tell you if people were able to overclock with it.
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Oxy 24 Mar 2014, 18:05
You pretty much... test it. :P Fortunately for us, there are enthusiasts all over the world and we never have to unknowingly buy anything. There are boards and communities dedicated to doing just that, bit of googling and reading up on your parts never hurts before buying them. Otherwise, as blackwolf pointed out, the K indicates an "unlocked" multiplier. Detdet, which isn't exactly wrong, isn't completely right either. There are RAMs designed with big heat spreaders because they're expected to be used in OC setups, but there are plenty of value RAM that have shown incredible results. ie. Some random Samsung 1333 DDR3 comes to mind, they sold the 4gb stick at 16USD a piece, people found out those rams can be run at 1866 with ease by increasing its voltage by a tiny bit.
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hOstiLl 24 Mar 2014, 14:40
Is it rlly necessary to get a SSD if u got a great hard disk ?
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Oxy 24 Mar 2014, 17:57
Yes. Absolutely. SSD and HDD are not compareable. http://www.storagereview.com/ssd_vs_hdd
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detdet 24 Mar 2014, 20:53
SSD for boot disk, HDD for data. I wouldn't necessarily consider SSDs a necessity though, you can do just fine without it. Right now ~$100 can get you either a 256GB SSD or a 3TB HDD.
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Acizco 24 Mar 2014, 16:11
Mobo with 3-phase VRM for overclocking Haswell?

OK :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Oxy 24 Mar 2014, 17:58
6, actually. It's a pretty decent enough mobo, Ceres doesn't have any history or experience in overclocking and I genuinely doubt he'll be going for record speeds. The ASRock Z87 Pro4 is a perfectly fine beginner board.
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Acizco 24 Mar 2014, 20:38
Nope, it's actually 3-phase. 6-phase is just what ASRock says when marketing.

http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-list

But I guess it's alright mobo for beginners, although I would stay away from it even if I was beginner.
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Oxy 24 Mar 2014, 23:38
Eh, I wouldn't be worried. Mobo's cheap and suits his needs perfectly. ASRock tends to be quite reliable with OCs as is and from what I gathered on few quick reviews there's plenty of people his same setup with up to 4.5-4.8, numbers he probably wont ever get up to himself.
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Aniky 25 Mar 2014, 03:49
Whats actually decent to be buying nowadays concering mobo/CPU/ram combination regarding the price/performance in somehow mid to high class?
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Oxy 25 Mar 2014, 03:51
These are pretty much "mid" class, it depends on what you need it for and plan to do with it. If you're not some OC fanatic or looking to get out absolutely every bit of power your CPU can offer you, the one posted above is just fine. I generally lean more towards MSI's series, I just.. like them, they look and feel nice. Others will prefer ASUS, it really all just comes down to what you need it for.
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Ceres 24 Mar 2014, 20:05
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Btw, Your setup will be cheaper because I already have the RAM (bought 2 8gb sticks for $120 like a month ago) and I don't know if such a place exists in Europe but I have MicroCenter at my disposal which lowers the price of some items (Intel Core i5-4670K - $189.99 instead of $234.97) so the price will drop down to low $1400.
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potter 24 Mar 2014, 11:58
dont trust oxy with the cpu fan... it might be to big and u cant close the case... or maybe he just wanted to troll me and let me waste my money :(
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RaNA 24 Mar 2014, 15:10
Get an I5 4670K or if you have another $100 get the i5 4770k also get an SSD! Addition to that, get a better Power Supply I don't think 550 is enough for gtx 780 dont cheap out on a PSU

EDIT: Why don't you just get an 8gb ram with like 2000+ mhz speed.. rather than 16gb 1600? 8gb is more than enough until the next 2-3 years.. games use only upto like 3-4 gig and youll have 4gig left..
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hobbit 24 Mar 2014, 15:15
Unless he's planning on running the 780 in SLI then 550 is more than enough
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Ceres 24 Mar 2014, 20:08
Already have the RAM and can't return it. I was wondering about the power supply as well but I was assured 550W is enough . To quote: "It should be, because it has an 85% efficiency, so it will put out 425W. That is more than the estimated amount so it should be fine. If you get the gold PSU, it will be quieter and will definitely be enough"
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detdet 24 Mar 2014, 20:48
If I'm not mistaken, it works the other way around. A 550W psu will supply 550W to your pc regardless, but the efficiency tells you how much power it needs to draw from the outlet to supply those 550W. e.g. at 85% effiency, it would pull 647W from the wall, of which 97W is wasted. The more important part of the psu is the 12v rail amperage, which is where your cpu/gpu gets its juice.
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DiNg 24 Mar 2014, 20:42
why not pming him ?
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kReSti 25 Mar 2014, 11:19
ich habe mich extra eingeloggt um dir dies zu schreiben :

wieso interessiert dich das ob er ein journal macht oder ihn privat anschreibt? junge junge was ein hobbyloses leben :*
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Cupra 25 Mar 2014, 18:14
We should have a permanent sticky thread called 'Ask Oxy anything about hardware'
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kARDONNNNN 25 Mar 2014, 19:12
if your'e getting a gtx780, get a fucking ssd, an unlocked cpu, asus z87 mobo, and a mother fucking god damn better power supply.
and then you have the gall to only get a 24" monitor.... if you're getting the 780, get a 27" monitor otherwise save yourself some money and just get the 770.

basically that build is in limbo between a good computer and a potentially great one. but right now you're just wasting money.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ggkf

^ that build overclocks to 4.2ghz with one click cause of asus' motherboard UI
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Oxy 25 Mar 2014, 20:36
Nothing wrong with the PSU, it's a great quality PSU and he wont ever need more than 400W with his build, why waste money if it's not necessary? He's getting the monitor for it's performance, not its size, the only other 120hz+ display out there, above 24" is the ASUS VG278HE which is rather very bad in comparison, not to mention the fact that.. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NEED A 27" TO PLAY ON? 24" Is massive enough already, too big even, I'd be perfectly happy with a 21-22". The board you're suggesting is overpriced and not suited towards his needs, again, why would he need to waste money on something he wont or can't make use of? The Kingston SSD is mediocre to horrible at best, do you even bother checking these parts before suggesting them or are you merely judging them by its price? "OH LOOK, IT COST MOAR, MUST BE BETTAR!".Why 2133 rams? Why bother? He wont ever use the full capacity of his 1600s (1866 if he decides to run 1.65V) as already is, the 1-2% performance gain is simply not worth it, ever. The only time it'd make sense is for heavy render jobs and benchmarks.
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kARDONNNNN 25 Mar 2014, 21:58
1. considering he didn't specify what his needs are, I was only led to guess at what they were. I judged from the gtx780 that he wanted a very high end comp. And he won't notice any difference between the 770 and 780 on a 24" display.

2. the board is higher priced because of it's quality and ease of overclocking (which I don't know if he's going to do or not because he didn't specify his intentions about this build)

3. the link is my build, was not meant for suggestion. my ssd was a gift, yeah it's not amazing, i know.

4. 2133 ram because it was $5 more at the time for me... and I have engineering programs where it's useful

All i was stating, that IF he was going for a high end computer then a ssd, better mobo, unlocked cpu, and better power supply would easily make for a better computer. My computer has nothing to do with his. IF he's not going for highest end, drop the 780 and get the 770 or some other 700 series graphics card and save a few hundred and the rest of the build is fine. Will still probably play all games at highest for 1-2 years. If you go with the high end specs you'll be at highest settings for probably 3-4 years. It's whatever he's going for honestly, and unless you two are buddies, how do you know his monitor size preferences are the same as yours?
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