Would you be willing to ...

...pay a 5€ monthly subscription to play W:ET and/or RtCW(or a re-work of one of the two)?

- anti-cheat, created and serviced by a legitimate IT business
- competitive platform(think ladders, seasonal leagues, onedaycups etc)
- LAN events, how many depending on the amount of activity and subscriptions

Your subscription would be used to pay for things such as hosting servers/website/events, prizepools, small rewards/'salaries' for people who put extra energy into the community(think coders, admins, designers, news writers) and other services that require financing(it's still the real world and things cost money).

ps: Although there are options to make such a project happen, this won't guarantee more people playing the game or a 'revival' of the game but ofcourse it can grow popularity of new or old players aren't put off by the current state of the game. The main purpose would be to create a more stable platform for competitive W:ET.

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Hypothetical question, right?

Quote by AdetoThis community needs to stop pretending that a revival is possible(especially when it comes to maps) and move on... People have been trying and screaming 'revive this game' for years now and the most that happens is a couple of oldtimers or new players who leave after a month or two because other communities offer more or have more important things in life.
I don't contradict what I said in that quote..?

Mostly hypothetical yes, though if there is a lot of realistic support and interest there are options within my own 'power'(lack of better word atm) to attempt such a project.
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It's just kinda weird to see you suggest that the community "moves on" then post something like this a few weeks later. Also, my comment was posted before your edit.

Personally, I'd probably be fine with paying for the things you mentioned (as long as Netherlands Excite isn't involved :D), but sadly there's no way you'd be able to convince enough other players to do the same. Most people weren't even willing to pay 0.5 euros/year to keep TZAC - easily the best anticheat this game has ever seen - up and running.
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I guess it would seem weird, but I mostly wave these revival ideas off as not viable. Because its simply an old game that isn't attractive to new/young public.

Didn't check the times on your post :P but yea this isn't aimed at revival. Imagine it more as if CF would have indoor leagues with tiny prizepools. 'CFAC' created in a collaboration between a trustworthy company and CF advisors(who wont have access to actual code, but input needed ideas, think yourself, merl, timbolina or others who have experience and valued input). A platform that has everything itself and no to be reliable on 3rd parties like CG/CB/ESL/whatever(no hate towards CG, i just think that having that on CF itself would be a great thing)
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It would only work if you could somehow convince literally everyone to willingly pay, because otherwise you'd split the community between "free2play ET comp" and "pay2play ET comp" and wouldn't gather enough funds to do much of anything anyway. Mandatory fees to play a free game competitively, especially when other options are available, is a terrible idea. :P

Off to bed, good night.
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Wasn't there a poll about TZAC if people were willing to pay once to get their code so they could use it (and it wasn't that much, but think it was more than 50cents...) and it was like 70%+ YES?
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Polls are generally flawed since it's not possible to tell who voted, for what reason they voted, etc.

I was mainly referring to the comments here.
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Werent we backstabbed by its creator? The anticheat was kinda useless at the end, eventhough marcus and others tried to work with it.
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Details, details. :P It was still an amazing AC while regular updates were being made.
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It was good yes. Btw, anything else on the chaplaj stab ?
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According to Chaplja YCN took TZAC away from him (stole it), and tried to earn money directly or indirectly from his software. If we are to believe Chaplja, it seems obvious that he discontinued TZAC because he didn't want other people to make money off his work.

I actually can't recall what reason YCN said chaplja had, but maybe it was something along the lines of him coding TZAC proof cheats or just growing tired of the project and not wanting other people to continue it without him.

Either way, it's impossible to know for sure why we suddenly lost the best AC we ever had or will have.
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any reason why?
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A one-lump sum? Yes. A monthly subscription? No.

I've never liked games with subscriptions. If I'm going to pay for a game, I want to own that game, not pay for a few months and then lose access to it if I decide it's not worth my money. I'd like the luxury of being able to play a game or two, even when I'm losing interest in the game.

It would also stop a lot of old players from coming back, at least in the American community, and I'm sure that applies to the European community as well. Motivating someone to come back and play a few games, who's into a new game such as CS:GO is hard enough. Add in the fact that they have to pay, and I'd say it's near impossible, regardless of what extra features that subscription provides to competitive players.
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€2/3 monthly yeah tho. But that system would be buggy imho
Define buggy?
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How would you know who paid?
I mean the connection between account + payment
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Don't see your point, you would pay through your account? Having a pay/subscribe button in your account settings.
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will never work :)
works for cs, old cod games, loads of other games. though that's not the question :)
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ok, go ahead and proof me wrong ;)
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prove* ;) maar dat past wel bij de rest van je niveau blijkt weer uit deze reacties
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if it made this game more alive once gain, then yes. although for that, you'd either need cups with real money in prizepools, or a rework that would fit both old and new players.
Don't think prizemoney would do that tbh, not a longer term atleast. People will play the game for one tournament at an attempt to win and when the money runs out they leave again :p
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that's what I mean, there must not be any "money runs out.." some cups sponsored from subscriptions etc. guess it might bring some ppl here. or not. what do I know..
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Wel you might know more or not about the topic, doesn't matter :P I just posted this hypothetically to raise the question if you would or not and why. Mostly for why :D
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this was asked more than a thousand times and never worked, not gonna work now either
so no , I wouldn't pay a penny

in order to make it work you should contact Spalsh Damage and bring up the idea for them, lately they post a lot about ET on their facebook page, but yeah I always get there and make a cheesy comment about how they abandoned the game and stuff
It never worked because it hasn't actually in this setup. Atleast not to my knowledge.

You play CS I think dont know if you know ESEA, think that but on a smaller scale. Sure there are plenty of other options but by offering the right service at a good quality real competitive players are willing to pay a small subscription. To get things that the game itself doesn't provide(anymore in the case of ET).
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Yes, I do play CS and I know about ESEA. But the truth is, you wouldn't be able to make it happen it ET. Why? Because ET community compared to CS is non-existing.

Post about it on reddit, would get way more attention I believe.
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Ofcourse I know, but as I said in the post and some replies, This wouldn't be about scale or playerbase, it would be about creating a better experience within the small community ET is. Applying the idea of a model like ESEA, because really all ESEA is is paying a subscription for the things that CS itself misses to create a real competitive scene, to a small game like ET. ET obviously a great game but lacking a lot of services it needs to have a real competitive edge(nowadays atleast).
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total members @ ESEA - 720,636
total people playing ET pro atm @ 150???

idea is good but won't happen in ET, numbers are numbers
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You'll have to think about a back-up plan, nonetheless.

; Idea.
Yes, I would pay.
I would play if I was paid 5euros a month. (Heart and soul of ET right here)
you fucking spiv
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Yeah I could pay
Adeto, asking the community and replying to comments is a complete waste of time, especially cuz you could've expected every single response here.

If you want people to believe that this can work you have to deliver more than just a concept. It's like a start up applying for money from investors. Nowadays nobody will get a penny for an idea that's been pitched in a similar way and not been followed up a dozen of times. In short it's all still too blurry and people have been disappointed too many times by dreamers.
Depends on what you consider a waste of time, I don't consider a good discussion a waste of time(though looking for that on CF is tricky ill give u that :D) Just hoping people come with more than only yes or no and have a proper discussion about the idea together.

A startup doesn't start up unless there is an actual interest from a reasonable amount of people and eventhough I said this is mostly hypothetical and the discussion is aimed at trying to get people to talk if they would be willing to pay for services that the game itself doesnt offer and if yes or no, why or what they would want or expect from it.
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yet Shakespeare's greatness comes from talking :P
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Bring it on Adeto
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Wise words marcuz
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Yep I would pay too
First make donations for skooli to fix CF so there would be a place for a community :o Last thing we need to use money for is prize pools atm - _-
Well that is one of the things a project like this would include, having money for things like coders etc to pay them a little for their work. But instead of having everything going down one end splitting the pot around multiple jars if you will. Lets say 1 person subscribes 5€, 1e to coders 1e to newswriters, 1e to prizepot, 2e to hosting (just random but for the idea). Just magnify the numbers to make it bigger
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Dunno if you're aware but ESReality has been highly successful in raising money for variety of causes but then again quakers are quite different from ETers. But yea I'd prioritize fixing CF pretty highly because who knows if even I would contribute if it was worth it. It's not worth it because the community members are mostly ungrateful and dumb. Yeah you can't really fix that but it's not only that: it's also because how CF works. Biggest problem is the missing popularity cloud. Whatever you post it stays on the spotlight for like a day or two. Then after that if there's discussion or anything nobody will ever notice. So why spend weeks doing a tutorial, an article or an interview that hardly anybody has access to? Then when there's a healthy place for the community who knows one might even get it growing or prevent it from diminishing :P

Next would be an anticheat, atleast online prizemoney is pointless before that. What about going for ESL wire? Or "hire" (maybe for free?) a skilled killerboy-squad who knows their stuff and bans the most obv comp cheaters? Same with marketing ET and so on. If you raise so much money you can do those concurrently then go for it but yeah.
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u shouldnt even have to pay
you can force him simply with boycotting the site until we go back to cf 2.0, 3.0 whatever
i doubt there are ANYONE who likes this version of CF which successfuly helped to kill ET in the first place
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Doubt he'd bother without a motivation, busy with other stuff I believe
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that also, and if they would've let him lead the whole cf4.0 project from the start we wouldn't be in such a mess atm
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donated 1000kr
I would pay 5 euros a month for old CF
since when do you have monizzzz
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just kidding I wouldn't
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Nope, not anymore.
This is simple. You need to know exact number of ppl willing to pay.
Once you know how many people would pay you can start thinking about some projects.
Like maza said: anticheat > website > prizepool.

I think someone of trust (like timbo) should run special 3/3 6v6 odc to gather money for future projects to save ET.
Each team should pay 30€ (5€ per players gg). Let's say we got 16 teams (which I think is possible??). 16x30=480€ 150€ for prize pool? or not?
yes but i think theres not enough players :(

also u can have my 20e if u can get it from #Shoutcastcollective
Gotta agree with ohurcool on this one.

Tz-ac was the best chance of 'revival' ET had and there was just so much negative feedback around it. It's just not gonna work anymore.
Create such system first then ask for a payment. If it will works great then pay!
or we convert to world of warcraft community just before WoD, wiiiie
Man I'd prefer EQ.
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Not for a monthly subscription, but maybe similar for yearly/one time sub.

#poorlife
New players case: there are much more people on other ET mods and these mods are offering them 'better' - from their point of view options + too bad that etpro community is made of trolls/retards that won't help anyone who want to try competitive side of the game.
"+ too bad that etpro community is made of trolls/retards..."

Slightly ironic considering how you and the guys that you play with often behave. Though in this case I would call it a combination of being immature and impulsive rather than retarded. I do however agree with you on everything
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I'm not their dad so it's their business how one will act towards another player (and when they're drunk you can't stop them). What I meant is that there were people who liked to make sarcastic comments on forums where low/+ guys from other mods tried to find something here.
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Yes I would.
*working anti-cheat*.......yes
Let's do it
yeah, i guess i would
yeah lets pay chapjla more money so he can go on vacations again :)
Nope button, it rather suddenly kill et than bring it back to life.
Being fully free game is smth making et better than pay2play games.
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