Drama continues #freeabject
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12 Feb 2015, 00:31
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Hello fellow crossfire users! Most of you already know what I’m going to write about. I don’t want anyone to say that I’m 
Abject’s teammate and this is why I’m defending him. Even I can be wrong in what I’m doing now and if I’m, shame on me. To be honest,if it would have been meehow I wouldn’t even lift a finger.
For most of you it’s shocking and impossible to imagine (hehe screw that impossible part because for this community = cheater) that such player ‘could’ use cheat and for some “it was obvious that he is cheating”. I’m in a group which trust him and thinks that it’s worth helping him. It isn’t inevitable (and I’m aware of it) that there are people who tend to look down on someone.
ET history has shown us many cases where players created beautiful stories about their bans. Nowadays it’s almost impossible for such person, who has been marked, as a cheater, to defend himself. One has 2 options: either stay
s1lent and don’t explain anything or make a good explanation. In our community both are fail-fail situations. If you’re going to be silent, you’ll just approve admin decision because he was actually right. Second case is a bit complicated. As I mentioned earlier, and the more you write, the more people will judge you and it’s more likely that you were cheating and now it’s just a childish cry to protect yourself from a mighty ban hammer.
Focusing on Abject, now he has to face obstacles like toxic community which doesn’t want to look at another “sorry ass” story. It’s understandable because nobody wants to read anything related to cheating and by some people he is going to be treated like a typical trash. Also you may wonder why the fuck I’m defending him if it could be just another excuse to avoid ban. It’s just that something smells fishy and it is neither Abject nor my feets after work. I don’t want to leave things as they’re now without getting an answer. Oh well, it’s not only me because I noticed that there are also other players.
First of all, by looking at his case, I noticed one weird thing.
Ohurcool told him that he started cheat at the beginning of this match (http://www.gamestv.org/event/51613-citizen-vs-ryknij-gorylku-ddd/) and one moment later, immediately turned it off. I did small research and as far as I know, in ET, there is no cheat which you can turn on and turn off while you’re already in game. If you want to run cheat, you have to run it with game and if you want to turn it off completely, you have to turn off the game. It could be caused for e.g. because computer is infected and there are A LOT different computer viruses which can do many different things. But this is another story and possibility (provided that he didn’t use any cheat).
Virus scan screenshot
*BackDoor.Andromeda is a cyber malware that is known to be categorized as a backdoor. It is extremely tricky and can sneak in any system using its vulnerabilities and exploiting security applications.
Secondly, I don’t want to say that CGAC is bad but over last year it wasn’t good and far from being fantastic. It means that there is high possibility that something could go wrong. Nothing in this world is perfect. What people seek is something which is close to it. Our anti-virus software can go full retard (just like me now) and detect something, what is virusfree, as a treat to our PC. Even
Chaplja and his TZAC weren’t 100% correct (
aphesia’s case). Still it worked better than CGAC. But hey, let’s give it a chance because 
badkip is trying his best to provide us anti-cheat tool which MIGHT be good in the future.
Lastly, I’ll quote badkip: (not a private log so don’t even try to delete it). Maybe in primary school, I would believe in such thing. What if I told you, when someone uses cheat and he is banned for using it, his memory isn’t wiped like in “Men in Black” so actually he can still tell his mates that cheat is detected. Crazy stuff huh?
To sum up, people would like to see better clarification on this case. By saying (neither this is private log!) and ignoring people, you won’t close this matter. After first ban wave, on updated CGAC version, I thought that I’m acting like a paranoid person because I deleted random etmods (jaymod, etrun etc) from my ET folder and even moved minimzer out of it. I don’t know how this AC works. In UAC we knew that it’s scanning our whole memory so we could be banned for something what wasn’t related with our game. Now I don’t know if whether I should continue supporting this game (mainly as a player) or move somewhere else because I’m afraid that there might be something wrong in the future of our gaming community, what we’re not aware of. Staying with a cheater status can be really depressing for the player who spent a lot of time praccing in our game.
Tl;dr version: haters gonna hate
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Abject’s teammate and this is why I’m defending him. Even I can be wrong in what I’m doing now and if I’m, shame on me. To be honest,if it would have been meehow I wouldn’t even lift a finger.For most of you it’s shocking and impossible to imagine (hehe screw that impossible part because for this community
= cheater) that such player ‘could’ use cheat and for some “it was obvious that he is cheating”. I’m in a group which trust him and thinks that it’s worth helping him. It isn’t inevitable (and I’m aware of it) that there are people who tend to look down on someone.ET history has shown us many cases where players created beautiful stories about their bans. Nowadays it’s almost impossible for such person, who has been marked, as a cheater, to defend himself. One has 2 options: either stay
s1lent and don’t explain anything or make a good explanation. In our community both are fail-fail situations. If you’re going to be silent, you’ll just approve admin decision because he was actually right. Second case is a bit complicated. As I mentioned earlier, and the more you write, the more people will judge you and it’s more likely that you were cheating and now it’s just a childish cry to protect yourself from a mighty ban hammer.Focusing on Abject, now he has to face obstacles like toxic community which doesn’t want to look at another “sorry ass” story. It’s understandable because nobody wants to read anything related to cheating and by some people he is going to be treated like a typical trash. Also you may wonder why the fuck I’m defending him if it could be just another excuse to avoid ban. It’s just that something smells fishy and it is neither Abject nor my feets after work. I don’t want to leave things as they’re now without getting an answer. Oh well, it’s not only me because I noticed that there are also other players.
First of all, by looking at his case, I noticed one weird thing.
Ohurcool told him that he started cheat at the beginning of this match (http://www.gamestv.org/event/51613-citizen-vs-ryknij-gorylku-ddd/) and one moment later, immediately turned it off. I did small research and as far as I know, in ET, there is no cheat which you can turn on and turn off while you’re already in game. If you want to run cheat, you have to run it with game and if you want to turn it off completely, you have to turn off the game. It could be caused for e.g. because computer is infected and there are A LOT different computer viruses which can do many different things. But this is another story and possibility (provided that he didn’t use any cheat).Virus scan screenshot
*BackDoor.Andromeda is a cyber malware that is known to be categorized as a backdoor. It is extremely tricky and can sneak in any system using its vulnerabilities and exploiting security applications.
Secondly, I don’t want to say that CGAC is bad but over last year it wasn’t good and far from being fantastic. It means that there is high possibility that something could go wrong. Nothing in this world is perfect. What people seek is something which is close to it. Our anti-virus software can go full retard (just like me now) and detect something, what is virusfree, as a treat to our PC. Even
Chaplja and his TZAC weren’t 100% correct (aphesia’s case). Still it worked better than CGAC. But hey, let’s give it a chance because badkip is trying his best to provide us anti-cheat tool which MIGHT be good in the future.Lastly, I’ll quote badkip: (not a private log so don’t even try to delete it). Maybe in primary school, I would believe in such thing. What if I told you, when someone uses cheat and he is banned for using it, his memory isn’t wiped like in “Men in Black” so actually he can still tell his mates that cheat is detected. Crazy stuff huh?
To sum up, people would like to see better clarification on this case. By saying (neither this is private log!) and ignoring people, you won’t close this matter. After first ban wave, on updated CGAC version, I thought that I’m acting like a paranoid person because I deleted random etmods (jaymod, etrun etc) from my ET folder and even moved minimzer out of it. I don’t know how this AC works. In UAC we knew that it’s scanning our whole memory so we could be banned for something what wasn’t related with our game. Now I don’t know if whether I should continue supporting this game (mainly as a player) or move somewhere else because I’m afraid that there might be something wrong in the future of our gaming community, what we’re not aware of. Staying with a cheater status can be really depressing for the player who spent a lot of time praccing in our game.
Tl;dr version: haters gonna hate
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But as mentioned, it could be that he had something on ie wallhack and turned that off in-game (with the cheat still running otherwise)
so, do I get it right, community is toxic because people chose to trust CGAC reports and admins ruling? There are enough people acting surprised by his ban for this community being marked as more supportive rather than toxic. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty - however, if CGAC (or any other officially recognized anti-cheat) marks someone as cheater, at this point my mentality changes into state that that person is guilty until proven otherwise (for example by proving it was false positive), because CGAC is good enough proof for me. Seeing which people abject is/was associating with (or used to in past), and that he knowingly played with people who were openly cheating, I am inclined to put my trust into CGAC rather than someone marked as cheater by it. Obviously if admins find out that it was in fact a mistake and clean his name, I will accept that, but until that happens, in my book he is a cheater. As you said, same happened to aphesia few years ago with TZAC - and I was pretty much in the same position as you are in right now, I was surprised because I played with him for quite some time. I didn't think he was cheating at any point I played with him, but I wasn't furiously defending him publicly either, because lets face it - anything is possible and couldn't possibly sit behind him every single time he run et.exe
Are you implying you find your teammate suspicious yet willingly continue to play with him?
As for the ban. I watched the demo, he most definitely did not cheat in that specific game. Abject always had great aim, but at the same time, given his past and things he's pulled in various prac games, I admit I've been suspicious of him a few times. I don't think he's actively cheated or done so for a longer period of time, but I'm convinced he's used a wh in a random prac once in a while. That being said, I'm more inclined to believe CGAC banning a player that associates himself with known cheaters, than otherwise.
Would you defend someone whom you met on a public server 1 hour ago?
Get over it and move on children, ffs...
I rly hope that justice will win, I played so often vs abj and I had never the feelin that he might be cheatin, he is too friendly to cheat :D
#freeabj
you get an electric shock when trying to defuse so you win?
impossible to defuse?
rewires the dynamite so it blows up in 5 seconds?
something for those that aren't able to count
you already whined about this so much that the anticheat creator checked the ban and said it was 100% correct, so now just deal with the ban and if you feel like quitting the game over this then do it, I doubt anyone gives a fuck
No problem bro! Need any more proofs?
No rlly lol, you should probably go to sleep and accept that your friend is banned.
Whatever u say anyway, not that anyone should care what u have to say since u probably have no experience in both game and coding, and since we have done some coding researches we know a little bit more than u. And guess what? Yes, malware can do shit like this and might be a reason why he recived a ban.
Well, I am not really sure about this, but are they still in a "testing phase"? I think I saw the banned list and it has over 20 ppl now? How many complained? INsaa, an obvious cheater and abject another obvious cheater? Yea I rather trust the anticheat coder...
lol is 1 screenshot from an antivirus scan and a google search what they call "research" in Poland?
Instead of whining here with baseless bullshit and funny stories, how about you and your crew actually try to prove it is a false positive? If you really think that the "backdoor andromeda" caused the ban, go test that theory, download that shit in a random pc, make a test cgac account , run et and see if you get a ban.
But honestly, this just seems really desperate, have you and your crew actually considered the possibility that your friend abject cheated and lied to you? <<< This seems a lot more likely.
and a second journal is now created ;)
Please ban more people, these sob stories are much more entertaining and satisfying than the pcbuild/surveys/return to et/I quit journals we get every other day. Especially if it's cases like this and some people lose their shit because they can't handle it.
^^^THIS^^^
Though, wouldn't it be hilarious if he got that malware from downloading ET cheats?
If it was a false positive, I would have been more than happy to reverse the ban. As I have told you for the third time now, our intention is to keep this game alive, not kill it by seeing random players banned.
Also there is no such force on this earth that could close ur cheat without closing ET (and yes, thats what ohurcool said, Abject got logs, u dont really have to be a science genius to understand what he said)
Don't be mad at me or don't insult me, but i really dont trust u guys and in my opinion u are lost in what u are doing.
I will state a few facts for the very last time:
We will not disclose any information about the ban, or how the anti-cheat works.
Before issuing the ban, the evidence was reviewed by myself and ohurcool.
Before issuing the ban, ohurcool spoke to badkip to confirm it wasn't a false positive.
You are as entitled to your own opinion as you are entitled to be wrong. I am sorry you didn't get your way in this case. Further journals/tickets/whine/insults will not get you any results.
with all due respect, what can you know about the game if you are on the scene for like 3 years? afaik without any experience/knowledge about cheats etc. (unlike previous ac/league admins who could prove themselves somehow). people barely know who you are, you just randomly got picked to this cg_team and it should be a proof to all of us that YOU reviewed it? pls :D he just showed you something you said "mhmh yeah whatever it's a cheat" and you moved on to your gaming life
This reminds me of the time eradd claimed that someone Photoshopped his pbban this is too funny
Then again, u thinking that he was cheating entire time is even more hilarious, so lets not start this again, cus u will simply make urself look even more stupid.
I always believed 100% bans made by anticheats and ohurcool in general but I have to admit that for this one it's condused
Do u still think it's logic?
Also I only replied to you saying that it's illogical, I didn't claim what I said is what happened. Just showing you what could be one of the possibilities
Anyways it's pointless to defend him and talk more about this shit, admins made their job and everyone in this community is free to have his own opinion about the sabject.
From this list http://www.crossfire.nu/group/view/id/7638, I remember playing vs the romanians (bullet, stary etc) and also base (.nl) in the nationscup last year; they were obviously cheating and they also played a million games before and after that, it took the anticheat a while before detecting their cheats, so I don't really think it's weird at all what happened in this case.
From what I know only base used to cheat for a long time and stary and stuff used it only few nc matches... which makes it 3 games max?
And anyways if you read what adetoo said, 50 games or 3 no big deal.
About abject, well i still dont know. I posted a #freeabj picture also, but mayb it was a mistake :'( I have etjump, etprob, etpub, jaymod, nexusmod, nitmod, noquarter, nq, parazit, ultraet etc shit mods in my ET folder :D also i use minimizer, use cracked games also etc and im still not banned, so wouldnt say the AC is busting for everything, and the guy said he is 100% sure about the ban sooooo... ? .. ?
My God let him join LAN and prove his skills.
There has been enough lanproof players that still cheated/got busted in the past
*until proven innocent.
2nd - tbh if someone can play as good as cheater, and have no problems to show the same high skills at lan my question is " what is a problem? "
In this case we dont talk about SomeRandomNobody we're talking about skilled lan proof gamer.
3rd - On CGS Lan he was in one team with my husband and i had best place to watch his gameplay.
( sorry 4 my eng i didn't use it for a long time :P )
I wonder.. Do u realy recognize in Abj's game any actions which u could named as a ,, cheaters actions"? Maybe it would be simple if admins would give us a date/match/moment of time when in their opinion he used a cheat.
Maybe i'm wrong but tell me mate, if he wouldn't be pl player u would think different ?
I haven't played much with or versus Abject, but from spectating matches which he was playing all I can say is that he had sick aim, which plenty of people in this community have. The difference is that Abject showed up on a CGAC list and those other people didn't. Doesn't matter which country someone is from, but it doesn't help that some polish people ruined your countries reputation when it comes to cheating. Like I said in my example, which I know is extreme but is pretty clear about how I feel about busted people.
I know admin's reasons but still they shouldn't/couldn't behave like,, u cheated but we can't give u a proof ".
From my side it's a main point of this case.
as far as i remember - pb,SLAC and TZAC - those antycheats were giving you infos who use which program and when.
And now we have to believe on word of ppl that we even don't know.( And i'm not talkin' about ohurcool.)
Anyway tbh enough for me would be lanproof - i mean this upcomming lan. This is special situation and imo should be in special care.
Lanproof means absolutely nothing, just because you are decent doesnt mean you are thus not a cheater. There are plenty of people who were/are good players but still resorted to cheats (wiaderko and team BE would be examples).
In the end, its CGAC's word vs Abjects word and since CGAC has more authority than Abject does too bad for him if he can't prove anything. CGAC has more reason/proof(however good it is) to ban him than they do to unban him(the virus thingy means absolute shit, anyone can post a virus scan and claim something random must have triggered the AC, shittier excuse than my brother did it)
Ofc i won't have 100% he didn't do that, but i have less certainty about right of this all ban. As a matter of fact, in this case we should both agree. It's easy to judge when case don't apply in your business. Saying straight - try to be in his shoes.
btw yes i remember times of pb glory and it was terrible, but still u had more informations then now ...
From your topic i know that u have no time to continue so.. gl& thanks for talkin.
Has anybody thought to do some cross reference research on other cases where CGAC has detected a possible cheat software in a bit unclear situation? And this especially on players who don't have a reputation of a skilled player?
Now I'm not saying that Abject cheats or dont cheat, I haven't played against him, I dont have seen a single game he played and to be honest I have pretty much no idea who he is. :D
It's just that what strikes me, is that over the years every time a known player is accused of cheating and/or anti-cheat software has detected possible cheat software, the player has had a somewhat "suspicious" moves in various games and being suspected (also by skilled players) to use some cheats at least sometimes. Also to add, that none of the top players I've played with and against I know for sure ain't cheating, has never been accused of anything of such.
Banns without profs are kinda strange for me and imo this anty-cheat is a big mistake.
Imo if Abj got caught because a malware, it is very likely that there should be other cases like his also. Or does he know some porn sites others don't? :) But yeah this is speculative at best, player pool is quite small nowadays.
posting because
u rly read that shit? :X:d:x:/D/d:x:/D
dafuq my mobile phone downloaded when I clicked on that virus screen, some porn and "free download" lol what omg #freemental
-Wut?
Best part
don't worry, i'll be part of the #FREEMEEHOW movement if needed
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#THUGELIFE
On a serious note I never felt like anyone from your team cheated and that's based on multiple 3on3/6on6 pracs & officials.
inb4 cwelac solar posts cgac source code and rips this whole shit
GL !
hahah what the fuck
JUST BECAUSE YOU PLAY WELL IN LAN DOESNT MEAN YOU DONT CHEAT ONLINE