ET Reborn LAN: Feedback

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ET Reborn LAN feedback.

It is great to see that many of you have enjoyed the ET Reborn LAN. Nevertheless, there are always certain things which could have gone better. We would like to receive feedback from the event itself, from both people who attended and who did not. Try to give constructive feedback, which means rather then just pointing out the problem, also try to come up with a solution. We will use this feedback for a possible next years' edition. Thanks in advance!

What could in your opinion have gone better?

  • Better PCs & Monitors
    We have found in Netherlands jesse someone who could help us getting good PCs & 144 hz Monitors for a price which lays in within our budget.
  • Position of tables
    Try to find tables where 6 persons each can sit on
  • Changing the times on GamesTV to the times that games had been delayed
  • More map variation in the play offs.
    Disallow teams to pick the same map as previous rounds, till Grand Final.
  • Deals with nearby restaurants.
  • Deals with nearby hotels.
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I heard that u were thinking about other lan place where we wouldnt have that PC problem as they have them already there?
Brussel - Botkamp. Google it :d
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héhé me living close by héhé, lets make it csgolan aswell so i can prove myself!
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T'y vas parfois??? :D
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Neber je suis nonnerd certifié plz
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Yup, the place is amazing and the staff is really cool.
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It is not sure how much longer the Wzzrd cafe will exist. They are trying to find a buyer because it is not profitable anymore. As far as I know, it is the only gaming cafe in Holland left. Having a different LAN location might also be attractive for people.

Having a bar next to the PCs is something which is uncommon but also really nice to have. Looking to different alternatives is always good. On the other hand, renting a place which has the PCs itself costs more than a place as Wzzrd.
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i heard there wouldnt be problems to drink same time when playing?
As logn as the beer is not spilled over the pcs and/or monitors (Netherlands outlAw), there is no problem.
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Hee rustig rustig, er kwam niks over het scherm <3
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haha er was wille dikke paniek en heiza XD <3
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you play better when that is happening
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Protection, kevlar vests,
people near the area pointing people to cheap hotels/possible places to sleep at, proper guide on how to get from point A to B. Also if I'm honest, as good and enjoyable as Merlin's stream was, it was nowhere near as enjoyable as any other stream(not just ET btw), because simply when the caster is at lan itself it's much more concrete and there isn't so much bias - plus also he can tune in with the players right after their matches and talk to them about the match,event,meaning of life, quality of weed or whatever, which was always quite enjoyable...
It was merl1nator his own choice not to come to the LAN center, which I can absolutely understand when casting more than 12 hours a day. Perhaps a stream of the LAN center itself would be interesting. Merlinator didn't think the upload speed would be enough.
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the upload there was great!
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QuoteB. Also if I'm honest, as good and enjoyable as Merlin's stream was, it was nowhere near as enjoyable as any other stream(not just ET btw), because simply when the caster is at lan itself it's much more concrete and there isn't so much bias - plus also he can tune in with the players right after their matches and talk to them about the match,event,meaning of life, quality of weed or whatever, which was always quite enjoyable...


Stream would have been a lot worse if it was live due to equipment and bitrate issues and would have had about 50% less games and I would be just as neutral at the event as I was at home I guess - I have no affinity with any of those teams, I just based random chat on performances I have witnessed in the last 5~ months. Talking to people after games is rarely ever done - the LANs you might be thinking of have 10-20 people behind the scenes doing things for the live coverage who you never see. Hell even CF LANs had about a 4-5 man crew doing it.
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- PC's were ofcourse the biggest negative point! that caused also the most delay.. delay is normal but we all had to find other AND much more different settings to even play with ~100 fps! (dont wanna say that i told u before the event alrdy that those pcs are too weak, but ... ;))) )

- u guys tried to be strict and mostly held your words.. but dont make differences between the teams! if u say a time when the game will be forced then do it! u did it at some games and then again at others not - makes it looking unfair for others!

- a BIG point were the tables.. we are on a LAN.. that does not just mean to sit in one room BUT next to each other! i know that u didnt place those tables BUT still that need to be changed the next time.. dont even understand why u didnt change the places of the tables after u saw that?! u got enough room!

GUYS, it was your first lan and i can tell u that u did it rly good and enjoyable! u made it better than some crossfirelans where more than 4 admins were ATLEAST behind it. u just need to sort things better out before the event happens next time(pc's, tables, ...). THANK YOU FOR YOUR AWESOME WORK!

I also want to thank all the other people around that lan too. Without you this wouldnt have worked so good and we wouldn't had such an awesome weekend again. (Rayzed,Merlinator,Chillax,v4ux,AND AND AND) !!
Thanks for your feedback stRay.

QuotePC's were ofcourse the biggest negative point! that caused also the most delay.. delay is normal but we all had to find other AND much more different settings to even play with ~100 fps! (dont wanna say that i told u before the event alrdy that those pcs are too weak, but ... ;))) )

Finding decent PCs with a limited budget is not easy. We will have better PCs next time. .

Quote u guys tried to be strict and mostly held your words.. but dont make differences between the teams! if u say a time when the game will be forced then do it! u did it at some games and then again at others not - makes it looking unfair for others!

I am not sure what you mean. We treated all teams the same and forced all matches when we had to. Some people complained about this, but in the end everybody respected this decision. As an admin you have to be strict sometimes to avoid more delay.

Quotea BIG point were the tables.. we are on a LAN.. that does not just mean to sit in one room BUT next to each other! i know that u didnt place those tables BUT still that need to be changed the next time.. dont even understand why u didnt change the places of the tables after u saw that?! u got enough room!

Changing the tables would not have made much of a difference and was also not possible. Beforehand, we were told there were the same tables they had 3 years ago. The moment we arrived it appeared that the tables were only big enough for 4 PCs each. This was complicated for the 3on3 tournament as you would sit next to an enemy. I don't think this has influenced any match tho.

Changing the tables was not possible because you need electricity and Internet which only come from a certain amount of spots out of the wall. That was also why the tables were positioned like that.


I am happy with your compliment! Much appreciated. See you next year my lovely german
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the argument about the 3o3 tournament is an argument i can understand but still isnt enough to me cuz 3o3 is just a semitourney! (and with just 2 man places people had opps next to them on this way too btw) it's right that the same tables got used 3 years ago and even the years before and it's not to hard to place 3 of em next to each other! means 6 guys sitting infront of 6 guys, as it has always been, as it has to be and as it is used everywhere! also the screenviewing at opponents wouldn't be possible on this way!
the part about the spots where the internet comes from is hopefulley not an argument which made it impossible for u? :D we are living in 2k15 where cables are long enough to connect pcs ;) use adhesive tape to cover it (like u did also at some points) and there we go :)
TRUST me its a big difference to have all ur mates next to u.. for some teams their mates had to sit at the other side of the room and thats not cool and makes it not lanfeelish
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alright thanks for the feedback, will be better next time!
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What were the pc's spec now? For ET u really just need a decent CPU and even a very cheap graphics card works.
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think it was i5 2400
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TJ competition hosted by your cousin.
je zou toch weer dodgen xD
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you know i don't speak dutch right? :D also i never dodged a lan, i just don't frag
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add also 2v2 tournament
Changing the times on GamesTV to the times that games had been delayed to would have helped a lot - I was receiving a lot of questions regarding games not starting and it didn't allow me to take breaks as often as perhaps I would have liked as I was unsure when games started (I also missed the start of games as I really needed a break and got back too late). From my end this was pretty much the only problem I saw for people online.

From an admin point of view I think games starting 40 mins late just due to teams being slow is also bad, I did tell you some players take 1.5hours to setup which is pretty unreal :D major esports titles get like 15-30mins to setup for stage games (LoL, Dota2, CSGO etc) an hour should be plenty.

From a spectator point of view ensured map variation would have also been great in playoffs, the groupstage was very enjoyable just because of this. Old CF Map rules @ LANs were good and created really epic & historic moments at LANs. Minimum games in the playoff would be 4 if a team won all their games including first grand final and maximum 7 if team lost first game and won all remaining games including final x2. So a limit of a map picked once would add a lot of spice and normally reduce duration of the later stages of the tournament.
I agree, thanks for the feedback.
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"Disallow teams to pick the same map as previous rounds, till Grand Final."

I feel bad for l4mpje now :(
The pc's were ok for the price we payed and all, everyone was running at their desired fps (76, 125), but the biggest problem was that the et wasnt a fresh install so everyone had multiple problems with their cfg's and everything which made a lot of time to be lost.

Getting the tables to sit 6 players on em would have been awesome, there wouldnt be time lost for moving the stuff around that much and it would have require only 1 barrier to block vision instead of 4+ we had. Obviously, getting the tables to sit 3 people on em and then just connect em to place 6 people, so we dont have to do any more extra blocking crap if 3's are being played.

The problem with changing time on gamestv was that we only had 2 people doing all the crap and it just wasnt enough. If there were a few guys going around exchanging, for example one guy checking the seatings, one checking time, other setting the gamestv match and everything, one checking when the match has to actually start so theres no major delay and everything, etc.., it would have been good. This wasnt that bad either too however, just the first day because there were the most delays.

I didnt find this that much of a problem, maybe the games were a bit repetative, but some map diversity would have been cool, you could have seen some great tactics the top teams use and such.

All in all, it was a nice lan imo
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