Buying a car
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29 Jun 2015, 17:05
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Hello, I hope I ll get answers from Belgian residents or inhabitants of this country.
I m thinking to buy a car, probably a VW Golf. I would like to know as much as possible about the legislation I should know about driving and owning a car in Belgium
I understand there are several things to keep in mind: age, period since you have your permit, insurance which price can varies according to several factors.
What should I keep in mind when buying a car in Belgium? What is cheaper to maintain: gasoline or diesel?
How is the market going? After I bought the car, which will be a second hand one, thinking about reselling after maybe 2 or 3 years, will the price go down a lot?
Here are some links of possible car I would buy:
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/volkwagen-golf-4-110pk-airco-243821776.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/vw-golf-3-1-9diesel-1ste-243819648.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/volkswagen-golf-4-1-6i-243815557.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/vw-golf-4-1-9tdi-gekeurd-243794903.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/-vw-golf-4-243768145.html
http://gocar.be/nl/autovlan/tweedehands-auto/VW/Golf/19-SDi-Base-San-Diego-1STE-EIGENAAR--qbbeqn8q
http://gocar.be/nl/autovlan/tweedehands-auto/VW/GOLF-DIESEL-2002/19-TDi-90cv-Comfortline-CLIM-ALU--qbbenqua
http://gocar.be/nl/autovlan/tweedehands-auto/VW/GOLF-DIESEL-2001/19-SDi-Comfortline-CLIM-ALU--v3bd9de5
Thank you!
I m thinking to buy a car, probably a VW Golf. I would like to know as much as possible about the legislation I should know about driving and owning a car in Belgium
I understand there are several things to keep in mind: age, period since you have your permit, insurance which price can varies according to several factors.
What should I keep in mind when buying a car in Belgium? What is cheaper to maintain: gasoline or diesel?
How is the market going? After I bought the car, which will be a second hand one, thinking about reselling after maybe 2 or 3 years, will the price go down a lot?
Here are some links of possible car I would buy:
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/volkwagen-golf-4-110pk-airco-243821776.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/vw-golf-3-1-9diesel-1ste-243819648.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/volkswagen-golf-4-1-6i-243815557.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/vw-golf-4-1-9tdi-gekeurd-243794903.html
http://www.2dehands.be/autos/volkswagen/golf/-vw-golf-4-243768145.html
http://gocar.be/nl/autovlan/tweedehands-auto/VW/Golf/19-SDi-Base-San-Diego-1STE-EIGENAAR--qbbeqn8q
http://gocar.be/nl/autovlan/tweedehands-auto/VW/GOLF-DIESEL-2002/19-TDi-90cv-Comfortline-CLIM-ALU--qbbenqua
http://gocar.be/nl/autovlan/tweedehands-auto/VW/GOLF-DIESEL-2001/19-SDi-Comfortline-CLIM-ALU--v3bd9de5
Thank you!
http://www.brandstofprijzen.info/brandstofprijzen-eu.php
If you concider how many diesel are there around. You get so many cheap repearing parts when you need to go in service.
Have 1999 TDI Bora 66kw. uses in city mostly 6L per 100km. On highway, it uses 5L 100km. I don't see any big difference in the fuel usage.
The real thing comes in mind, if you live in really cold country like I am. Where winter gets you -20, then the gasoline cars will get advantage, for not needed engine warmup.
But if you have garage for your car, then even a -20 isn't a problem.
Diesel beats gasoline in my eyes every day.
Have had gasoline cars as well.
We have tax for fuel it self ( gasoline/diesel) but not for engine. Nor have we road taxes.
That's why in our country diesel becomes more cheaper than gasoline.
I can safely say that 50% cars in Estonia are diesel. Due the fact, it has more raw power, especially in our conditions during winter. With lot's lot's snow.
however it was good for me, very comfortable
however i could speed up to 180-200 km/h easly, it's just the explosiveness what wasn't good enough imo
So basically 2.0 gasoline, will be good enough to feel more power to pass or making faster movements.
there are many (or at least more than you would think) scammers, that are cheating on the mileage. So, check interior (especially steering wheel, seats and pedals), does it look like it has been driven far more than the mileage says, e.g. heavy wear on the leather/cloth of the steering wheel/seats, heavy wear on the pedals, no maintenance booklet
You prolly arent a professional, but there are few things you can check for yourself:
Brakes:
- the discs shouldn't have any creases that are deeper than your finger nail
- rust is a big nopenopenope
- check the brakes during driving, so do a fucking emergency breaking from 50 km/h and lift your hands off the steering wheel, if the car isnt driving straight during braking there might be problems with the steering, unequal brake power distribution or the camber (or tons of other things) -> expensive fixes
- also, high piercing noises during breaking dont have to be (super)bad, but it might be an indicator for bad/low-quality parts/work
Corrosion:
- check the seams and folds of the doors, the trunk and the engine hood, these are the most "prominent" places for corrosion (and bad fix ups), also - if possible - lift up any rubber seals
- obviously, the engine room shouldn't look like complete shit with flash rust all over
- look for any places of bubbly paint (which is a big nopenopnope too)
- look at the paint job, if you see any patches or car parts that have a slighly off-tone color ask for the accident history, if the seller then tells you "no, no, no accidents" back off immediately
Engine:
- if there is a maintenance booklet, check the intervals, have their been big pauses, has the oil/cam belt been switched at the right intervals, normally once per year (more frequent oil switches are an indicator for rough drivers that dont warm the engine before kicking it or regular track usage -> back off!)
- check the engine idle - it is really constant? does it change when you switch on/off light or ac? doesnt necessearly have to be a big problem, but might be connected to faulty addition parts (AC compressor, electric generator), still: a perfect engine should constantly run at the idle
- obviously, the nicer it sounds, the better it is gonna be (prolly)
Tires:
- at least 3-5 mm of profile left, you can calculate with about 1-2mm of removed profile during a summer/winter season (depending on driving style of course)
---> uneven profile depths at left/right, front/back might also indicate problems with the steering/camber/absorbers
- below 1.5mm ---> insta-back-off, no serious seller would sell you a car like that (at least not without telling that youll need new tires right after you buy the car)
- not older than 7 years (older and the rubber starts to become brittle and it just wont work that good)
Exhaust:
- lay down on your back and have a look at the exhaust and stick your finger into any patches of rust you see, if everything is solid - good, if it crumbles (rust has already eaten through the whole metal) --->instanope
- exhaust fumes shouldnt "smell" particularly bad (of course they arent pleasant from the start, but you will more or less instantly smell bad combustion conditions)
- exhaust fumes should be more or less transparent ---> blue or black? --> bad combustion --> nopenopenope
Diesel or Gasoline:
- Usually longer drives & high yearly mileage: Diesel (lots of small trips are bad for diesels as their filters will start to clogg eventually, also bad for the turbo due to frequent thermal load switches (heating/cooling))
---> Diesel looks cheaper on the paper, but taxes are always higher and in most cases insurance is also higher (people who drive diesels will drive more, hence they will cause more crashes, hence you have to pay more)
---> Diesel engines are (generally) more complex than gasoline engines (Turbo, High pressure injection, higher temperatures during combustion, more corrosive gases during combustion), so repairs will most likely be more expensive
- Low mileage, small (but frequent) drives: Gasoline, naturally aspirated engines are way more durable in these situations because of their more simple construction (in comparison to Turbo-Diesel engines)
---> usually lower taxes and insurance, lower repair prices if something in the engine breaks down
---> gasoline engines have (inherently) less torque, so they will feel much slower during acceleration than equally powered diesel engines
Obviously, you want to buy a used (and in the best case scenario cheap) car, so you will never be able to achieve all those mentioned points all at once. Personally, I would take a little bit of corrosion or a faulty exhaust over e.g. faulty brakes or tires (these things keep you alive at the end of the day!). Also, any bad things you find about the car you can also use during your price negotiations.
Serious sellers will allow you to bring the car into a repair shop and will let you have a look beneath the car (best case: repair shop with a professional), might cost some money in the first place, but might keep you from unwanted suprises, that will turn your car into a financial grave. More serious buyers will even have a "status report" from an independent reviewer that will estimate price and general condition of the car (would take such a car with 10/20k more mileage than the same priced car without such a report).
And since apparently you are German, what you think about the car I want to buy?
Oh and be prepared for squeaking seats after a while (bad quality). Other than that you should be fine. Resource: got one within the family.
if there is a maintenance booklet, check the intervals, have their been big pauses, has the oil/cam belt been switched at the right intervals, normally once per year (more frequent oil switches are an indicator for rough drivers that dont warm the engine before kicking it or regular track usage -> back off!) I really hope you're not referring to the timing belt being changed every year? LOL but frequent oil changes doesn't necessarily mean rough drivers at all. It also depends on the car, but we're talking about a golf here so 2 a year is no problem.
- below 1.5mm ---> insta-back-off, do people even sell cars with illegal tyre tread now? :/ (1.6mm over 75% of whole tyre is minimum limit btw unfo)
exhaust fumes should be more or less transparent ---> blue or black? --> bad combustion black fuel blue oil white/grey an indicator that coolant could be burning so think head gasket etc.
another point you didn't mention but could have included with the exhaust is to put your hand over the joints when the car is idle to see if you can feel any leaks. easy to fix but still it all adds up.
i'm more used to buying cars that failed tüv etc than looking for cars more expensive :(
Thanks for the info, a lot of technical terms lol
Did you study the links I posted? What you think?
you are ofc completely right - the timing belt doesnt need to be changed every year and frequent oil changes (and by frequent i mean twice at 10k mileage in a year) might also depend on the car/engine, but it might also depend on the driver ;) (eventhough in most cases it implies track usage, which most people prolly wont be doing in a golf ii).
apart from that, +1 on what you commented!
Might be less expensive in the nothern part of the country than it is here
e: gotta say that golf is like seat ibiza, a car for irresponsible drivers
Everytime you see a golf or worse a yellow seat ibiza they're gonna cause troubles
It is always better when a old car has decent ( not much ) but decent amount of milage, it is telling that the car has been on the road more than in the service or under repairing.
But it also means that it has got a real pounding on the engine. Now if you check the overall condition over a car you can easily see who was driving it.
And a big pluss will be, when the car you want to buy had only 1-3 users. To many are bad, either something wrong.
If you can also, would nice to see cars VIN number and if possible to check in local incurenc companys for hidden accidents. ( we in Estonia have this option possible and very good thing, a lot sellers hide minor crashes and stuff, but via VIN number I can login to insurance company and check there. LIke this you can either drop the price or if the person does not want to share VIN number, he hides something )
It is car's history book. it came in use since 1981 and mostly contains 17 numbers.
Don't buy anything older then 2010 if possible. Not sure how's climate over their but here you get rusting issues on east coast and end up changing muffler and other things after 5 years.
Normally here very less people buy VW because of med+ maintenance. If you need low maintenance car, people buy Civic / Accord or Corolla/Camry.
Buying used car can either be cost effective if car is in good condition or you would end up getting messed up car.
I m surprised to hear so many bad reviews about VW when I know so many people who are satisfied of it and also I see a lot of this cars on the road
I believe this is what Eagle meant, for Belgium at least: http://www.car-pass.be/en/particulieren/frequently-asked-questions.html
https://www.google.ee/search?q=VIN+number+on+car&biw=1920&bih=969&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=tNmUVY-yKMuYsgHQn4fwAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgrc=yduV6IeaF-rNQM%3A
here you go, a clean very good example how VIN number can save you a lot trouble.
Look the before and after picture on the car.
and Panda is right. Less electroncis less problems in repair and diagnostics.
because that's generally a good thing, right?
But there are also low milage cars, what are really old and once you see the car, it is kinda clear that most of the time, it had only problems.Hopefully now makes all sense:P
too many cold start short mileage drives isn't good for the car, there are so many things that could go wrong with the engine due to that.
250, 000 - 350 000 km
Let's say someone sells a passat of same 2001 year and has milage only 120 000 km , it makes me wonder, why so low either good holder or a really car full of trouble.
I usually stay away from these kind cars.
But when someone sells a passat 2001 with 400 000km , it ses a lot about the cars engine, works good most of the time only moving. Good thing, but with such huge milage, the engine has got a godo amount of pounding.
This kinda car makes me intrigued. I will look how many users has it had. Check the VIN number
Go under the car to see corrosion, check engine, intierior ( was a smoker or not ) .
Also I have a good friend who does have paint thickness mesaurer ( hes a car painter ) and I check even with that for paint thickness, because sometimes you can find out fixes or minor crashes, what the person tries to hide.
Only used for Work to Home (vice versa) and going somewhere around. Not necessary low miles is always bad. Just ask the person while buying why low mileage and they would give reason.
Getting good used car is pain in da butt. Good luck mate. I was in the same boat once upon a time.
You won't bealive me, but I have at this point 1999 TDI VW Bora.
This car had only 2 users, I am the 3rd 1. Have had it now for 3 years, when I bought it, the miles it had was 444 444 km , by 3 years I have now 465 300 km . And the biggest repair money I wasted was , when I had to tighten handbreak. And change oil and fuel filter. This car works good, the real problem with this old car is the rusting.
Hopefully I can drive 3 more years with it, then it has paid it off twice when not even 3 times the price I paid. I gave for the car 2000 euros.