#ET Draft Tournament Finished
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27 Jan 2013, 17:31
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News
After the signup phase and live draft picks on a IRC channel, we are ready to move on to the next stage which is: a start of the tournament! We're starting at 18:00CET with first live games broadcasted by GamesTV.
Captains were able to pick players from 5 pools. We are not going to announce pools because we want to evade the whine from players about putting them in a wrong pool or whatever. We can assure you that pools were picked as fair as possible according to skill level.
However we can publish whole list of signups. (104 people!)
Let's take a look at teams that have been formed by captains:
We divided these teams into 2 groups. Two best teams from each group advance to playoffs stage which is Single Elimination. All games are BO3.
First games start at 18:00 CET. In case of decider, do the coin toss and elimination. The maplist for all groupmatches is:
- 1st Match: adlernest & supply - 18:00 CET
- 2nd Match: goldrush & frostbite - 19:00 CET
- 3rd Match: radar & bremen_b3 - 20:00 CET
GROUPS: http://et-cups.tourney.cc/groups/
Each team picks one map from the maplist (6 maps above) as their map for the semi-final and grand final/bronze final.
BACKUPS:
- http://www.crossfire.nu/journals/148360/et-draft-backups
GAMESTV COVERAGE:
- http://www.gamestv.org/league/1112-et-cups/
All picked players should contact their captains on #ET IRC channel in order to join our TeamSpeak. (if you are not here yet)
We wish everyone good luck and have fun playing & watching!
Captains were able to pick players from 5 pools. We are not going to announce pools because we want to evade the whine from players about putting them in a wrong pool or whatever. We can assure you that pools were picked as fair as possible according to skill level.
However we can publish whole list of signups. (104 people!)
Let's take a look at teams that have been formed by captains:
 Team An7hoKRESTi vokki MCLEOd MerlinatoR jeewee |  Team KevjikARnAJ Elviss promen Phazori fragnon |  Team LightningfiluS stexx dooPPi samraj Aluna |  Team Sinnusubbi yEnch Buzzer BloOdje er4z |
| Team Specula twidi Testi adeto Snatix eRRoR | Team TOMOYO L4mpje Kirej Boss lEku ironic | Team xPERiA Bl4d3 WuT sh1La jam Element |  Team zMklesti Abject mental mama Francis |
We divided these teams into 2 groups. Two best teams from each group advance to playoffs stage which is Single Elimination. All games are BO3.
First games start at 18:00 CET. In case of decider, do the coin toss and elimination. The maplist for all groupmatches is:
- 1st Match: adlernest & supply - 18:00 CET
- 2nd Match: goldrush & frostbite - 19:00 CET
- 3rd Match: radar & bremen_b3 - 20:00 CET
GROUPS: http://et-cups.tourney.cc/groups/
Each team picks one map from the maplist (6 maps above) as their map for the semi-final and grand final/bronze final.
BACKUPS:
- http://www.crossfire.nu/journals/148360/et-draft-backups
GAMESTV COVERAGE:
- http://www.gamestv.org/league/1112-et-cups/
Playoffs
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1st Group Match
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| GROUP B: |  |  |
2nd Group Match
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3rd Group Match
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All picked players should contact their captains on #ET IRC channel in order to join our TeamSpeak. (if you are not here yet)
We wish everyone good luck and have fun playing & watching!
that's hilarious tbh.. so u probably favoured certain people but u won't tell everybody and will just keep it a secret which is even worse than telling everybody and people whining.. awful admin work as always
As i don't see a 'no signupcomments delete I will repeat myself.
Still looks like a 'pick some high friends and 1 low to make it not look like we only pick friends'-cup.
And that is the reason why I didn't sign up right there, this is far from a draft
GL to all the teams and players there anyway, still support the idea of more cups
I whine about this one, not only when they are made, but before as well, because this is just as I expected it to be.
Don't call it a draft cup then at least, false advertising in my opinion.
Why can't you force a captain to play with someone? That's nonsene, you can.
You can't decide who is friends, that is why the admins should pick, indeed you just contradicted the whole point of captains picking on their own.
People playing now are not allowed in the next, now that is something reasonable for once.
captains obviously chose the most skilled people per poule.. it's even harder to create a cup when captains are the ones whining hard in .prv btw, that's why forcing people to play with players is the wrong thing to do.
It wouldn't be that bad if this was a first try, but it's happened before near exactly the same.
Hope the next one will turn out to be more of a community based draft cup then, like I said, I full on support more cups for this awesome game. Just don't appreciate the load of crap around it at times
hmm? you mean CDT1 & CDT2? you can't even compare the players as in this cup, that was all med+/high guys, this is now low, med, med+/high players. completely different. there is only 1 high (some of the med+ guys play on high level) player per team. 1-2 med/+, 1-2 med & 1 low (some got more than 1?). it's _balanced_ at least. you don't criticise, you aren't giving ideas that can be worked on you're just complaining.
that quote btw was so wrong it actually annoyed me.
Community captains, admins making the teams in stead of the captains.
I gave my personal opinions on those things, you might not agree on them but you may just take it in to consideration. The fact that you don't see them as 'ideas' does not say I did not give ideas.
also: http://www.crossfire.nu/news/view/id/7992#c4273447
please don't say again that it's all the same players in each draft tournament.
What my real point is though, that looking at the sign up list and the actual line ups, the lineups are mostly known players that are active on at least a bit of the 'higher' skills in ET nowadays.
It just, IN MY OPINION, does not look like a communitybased cup.
Like I said, disallowing the players now to play the next time really is a nice move, I just hope the next time the other 'known' players don't get picked again and the same people get let down.
That's what I said multiple times now.
Anyone should be able to sign up and have equal chances of being part of it, not based on the opinion of a captain.
Being more known than someone else in this cup gives you a way higher chance of participating, that does not sound very communitywise drafting.
People that are not known are also a part of the community and should really be dragged in more to get this game more active.
More posts?
ie: look at tomoyo's team, just a joke
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ar9U1fgdvLACdElYdmY2eTBzTmlKU3BXLWlqTkdKQXc&toomany=true#gid=0
you can see which poule each person was in
Almost.
34 Players Never played in CDT 1&2
Abject
mental
mama
Francis
lesti
WuT
sh1La
jam
Element
Kirej
Boss
lEku
ironic
Testi
adeto
Snatix
eRRoR
Buzzer
er4z
yEnch
Sinnu
dooPPi
samraj
Aluna
Lightning
promen
Phazori
fragnon
kARnAJ
vokki
MCLEOd
MerlinatoR
jeewee
Specula
14 Players have played in either of CDT 1&2
An7ho
KRESTi
Elviss
Kevji
filuS
stexx
subbi
twidi
BloOdje
TOMOYO
L4mpje
Bl4d3
xPERiA
zMk
what more do you want??? it's just sad to see this much whine over nothing.
team kevji = kevji, karnaj, elviss, promen,
need more ?
karnaj & subbi = highskill
Elviss & jenka = med+
promen & Buzzer = med
remaining players: phazor, fragnon, eraz, bloodje
IT_IS_BALANCED
but yes, you think all of these guys are highskills so you obviously have a different view on skill :)
kevji med+ karnaj high elviss med promen med/+ dont see anything wrong they r from different pools and 2 lows so ye its fine + they lost
Lightning = high
filuS = med+/high (inactive?)
stexx (med+)
dooPPi (med)
samraj (low-med?)
Aluna (low-med?)
Sinnu & Kevji is also fair.
also, you aren't banned for signing up but not checking in.. if you didn't check in you can sign up to the next if you want. but if you check in and noshow to the cup, then you arent allowed next cup(s) :] sorry that this isn't so accessible for you in australia but there's only so much we can do ;l
But since they aren't many players around with the 'mAus' status, its obvious the captains are going to pick players they have played with before, or as you like to say 'friends'
Another example, if I was avi as a captain, I would pick razz/ross/sqzz, not just because they are my 'friends' but because they are good and I have played with them many times before.
it proves that from the med+ poule, they chose the best player available
it proves that from the med/+ poule, they chose the best player available
it proves that from the med poule, they chose the best player available
it proves that from the low+ poule, they chose the best player available
is that wrong of them or should they have picked with their eyes closed?
But this wasnt even a friends competition. The teams I seen were really random and I KNOW that most of the captains would not have played with every player in their team before
I agree with the fact that you can have the temptation to pick friends of you. I did it during CDT1 (even if rules were a but different about picks) cause I wanted to win the tournament but it was stupid cause it was like I played CDT with my own team. We weren't that good and we lost lots of games (gg overload
It's just people saying its a friends cup which is kinda stupid, cause think about it, if sqzz signed up, hes my friend, its obvious Im going to pick him if hes my friend or not :D
you were there mate, you just didn't check in today. =P
edit: http://www.crossfire.nu/news/7984/et-draft-tournament
check out where it mentions you gotta check in the day of the tournament :p
40 sign ups gets to play and the remaining 64 are offered to be backups. That is insane!
What happened to the sign-up limit :D?! I dunno where this is going... I'll check the rules more carefully next time.
Imo make 3 poules: High / Med(+) and Med-/low. You make teams with 2 ppl of each poule and thats it. NOBODY PICKS PLAYERS. If you have ppl that pick players it will never be a fair chance and there will always be whine.
personally I wouldn't see a point in doing a tournament with teams consisting of 6 totally random players with no captains, because then it would be just the same as playing a few gather games or shouting for 5 random players from IRC and playing against another mix
+ the 2 lower players in the teams are in most cases friends/ppl that know the captain. 2 higher players + 4 randomly added players would be my solution.
For example: Team sinnu: Sinnu subbi yEnch Buzzer BloOdje er4z
Sinnu captain, subbi yench are skilled ppl, all estonian and friends. If I look at the profile of er4z, I see he is playing in a fun team with sinnu. So thats the reason he get picked for the 'low' spot. People that dont know any higher players have a very small chance to get picked this way, and I think those player are most important if you make a cup like this.
Personally I don't mind at all to play with people who don't have such good individual skills, but are playing for the team and fill their role in the team. This also applies to even the best individual players of course, which is why I as a captain would avoid picking some of players who're known to be on the top of the score board each round, if I had other choices who might not be as good aimwise for example, but would be a better fit for the team.
All in all the idea in a draft is to gather the best possible team from available players on each round. If you want to get a wider range of players from different skill levels involved then you have to divide players into poules and apply some restrictions like the admins did on this tournament. I understand that this system isn't suitable for the newcomers, but I think that there hardly is a way how majority of those players would have a fair chance of getting picked in a draft tournament.
I think the idea of high skilled / low skilled players in 1 team is great, but there is a group of low skilled people that would never been chosen with those draft rules.
But great decision of the admins to make the rule: People that played this cup can't play the next one!
And yeah, by disallowing players from this draft to play on the next one I believe that majority of those who didn't get to play in this draft will get a chance to play.
atleast I was happy with the drafting system and it resulted in very even teams. the only thing I would change in this format is that the group stage games could end up in a draw and no deciders would be played to fasten the tournament
good that we have so many guys here to correct all the grammar mistakes ;)
KEEP IT UP AND DONT LISTEN TO THIS WHINERS
Well done on the draft