RTCW: The Reich Strikes Back!
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28 Mar 2014, 04:32
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"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..."
Nope! It is going to happen again right here and right now! We are happy to announce the upcoming Return to Castle Wolfenstein Cup: The Reich Strikes Back and see as many teams as possible whambamshazam eachother on the battlefield.
With the RtCW Alliance Cup being a success, the people behind the cup have decided to host another edition. This time your adminteam will be
bully ,
Virus047, Gut, 
Lasher and adeto. They will do their very best to create another great tournament and an as joyfull as possible experience for teams, players and ofcourse the loyal viewers over at WarWitchTV! As in the previous tournament, we will start off with a group stage. Aiming for sixteen teams, we will have four groups of four, one of which will hold the North American teams. Unlike the previous tournament though, we have decided to have forced maps during the groups. This way we can see all maps of the pool being played, instead of good old Village and Ice all the time. This is where we take the jump to the schedule, as that will also reveal the maps for each matchweek!
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Now:
Signups open! Signing up is easy, simply message an admin with your teamname, teamcaptain and roster and you're all set! You can find them in #Reich.cup on IRC! You can also PM an admin on www.crossfire.nu or email [email protected] with your roster. Please include your country of origin for team and players please to assist with admins in placing teams into groups.
April 12th:
Last day of signups
April 13th through April 19th:
Group matchweek #1
Maps: Beach & Ice, Frostbite if a decider is needed
April 20th through April 26th:
Group matchweek #2
Maps: Frostbite & Base, Village if a decider is needed
April 27th through May 3rd:
Group matchweek #3
Maps: Village & Assault, UFO if a decider is needed
May 4th through May 17th:
Catch up & Wildcard Dates
We have given ourselves two weeks of extra time for delays and any matches that have still have to be played at this time. These weeks also give us some flexibility if we have larger groups than four!
May 18th - To be determined
Playoff stage
We aim to start the playoffs in this week and are giving ourselves and the teams some flexibility by not fully scheduling from this point. More dates will be announced as the tournament reveals itself.
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Now to the rules, we took a good look at the rules again with last tournament in mind and some rules have changed. Some changes have been made to the serverconfig aswell: cg_shadows is now forced to 0, cg_autoaction is now forced to 7 and pmove_fixed is forced to 0 aswell. We highly recommend teamcaptains and players to check the new rulepages and if they have any questions, or suggestions, to message an admin. A big thing we want to put out there as an admin team, is that the rules are only there to fall back to if trouble occurs and we hope teams and players can find solutions together where possible!
For now we have said all that we want to say, if there are any questions feel free to message one of the admins on irc, ask them for a talk on teamspeak or message Virus047 at: [email protected] as he is our rules expert and will most likely be able to answer most questions!
love to watch RTCW when WarWitch is streaming :)) -> will he be streaming it?!
You won that?
e: I mean an RTCW cup?
btw hows it going long lost brotha?
nyt naamakii
But don't get me wrong, swani, I wish you all the best and good luck for this.
I stopped playing after last lan, so I get rolled from time to time in pubs by doublejumpers. I have no time because I started the phd programm last week. playing some dota 2 in the evenings tho :D
how about you, fanboi?
Ohno wait, there's LOL.
Expect delays, then
World Cup: June 12th > July 13th
Summer Break: July 20 > September ~5th
Would be better off scrapping the group stage and making it a double elimination bracket only. Or risk making the same mistakes that you whined at ZeD about (again).
Easiest ways to do that would be straight DE bracket or split the EU and NA tournaments for this edition (brackets will be smaller and you can keep groups)
This doesn't mean we don't consider the playoffs you are suggesting, we want the community's input and if the majority says 'we would rather have a DE bracket than groups' than we look at again. We have 2 weeks of signups still to talk to people about these things and possible round table with people from the community to which I'm sure you would be invited aswell. But for now, groups as that is what we had last cup and it's what everyone knows :)
That is what an admin(s) is there for, to limit the possibilities of problems by scheduling it properly. Open ended schedules will not work, if it was to go the way of the last cup could easily do an 8 team bracket in the 2-3 weeks before the World Cup started, if you scheduled it properly.
The cup starts on 13.05.2013 and ends on 07.07.2013. The final was played on 10.11.13 which is 4 months delay. http://www.gamestv.org/event/44357-one-soldier-vs-kih/
The final for the Alliance cup was suppose to be played on 02.02.2014. The final date set for the final is 30.03.2014. This is around 2 months.
Even when counting the cup's build in 2 weeks break that we took for christmas it’s still not as much.
2012 Anniversary Cup, 23 teams (12 team playoff) - 15/11/2012 to 17/03/2013
Asus Alliance Cup, 16 teams (8 team playoff) - 06/12/2013 to 30/03/2014(?)
Same amount of time, 30% less teams. You'll have less teams this time around as well and start a couple of weeks earlier potentially but unless you have a schedule to finish before the World Cup you'll probably have massive delays. An 8 teams DE bracket can be done 18th May-11th June without any problems.
: a situation in which something happens later than it should
You’re talking about massive delays, the dates we had planned out for the games to occur do not fall under the definition of delay since they were scheduled as such.
But your tips will be noted and looked into, thanks for that.
Doubling the length of the cup = massive delays. If you are saying you are not making a schedule for the current cup so people cannot say it was delayed...
I'm not denying there are delays. You however say it's massively more delayed than zed's, which is false in either cup's occasion.
This is seriously pointless and uninteresting, this is the last comment I make on this subject.
Your cup had twice as much delay with 30% less teams - my comments are quite accurate.
If the schedule was planned as such, as in the alliance cup taking more time than zed's cups overall it still does NOT count as delay, since, tada, it was planned that way. People signed up to the cup with that time schedule in mind. I can't help it if zed misjudged his planning to a degree worse than we did, as soon as you call a date for the final to be played then that's the end of your time schedule.
Take any longer than said date, it'll then count as delay.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2331673/rtcw-fall-cup-2012-featuring-warwitch/
Zed announces that his grand final will be played on 16.12.2012. Going by your end date of 17.03.2013 this is simply *3 months delay. You can stand on your head and tell me it's not but that won't change the fact that it is.
He however got 23 teams, so had 3x6 and 1x5 team groups with 3 qualifying - so the group stage had more match weeks. As this occurred, the tournament hit Christmas and had delays due to this (much like alliance cup, as a lot of people warned back when it was announced.)
The last groupstage week was afaik the first week of January and then the playoffs were marked to finish halfway through February (12 teams) and finished 1 month later.
You played ZeD's tournament so I guess you just forgot this.
But, ZeD made scheduling mistakes which he can be forgiven for a bit more as it was the first time round. (Christmas & Summer for instance, big mistakes for sure).
Better to learn from those mistakes though, especially as all(?) of the current admin team played in those tournaments.
Greets
games are 17-23CET generally it seems with a lot of games at 21CET, which is pretty much the key time I guess.
edit to zeh cupadmins: horrible schedule, just make it double eli! doubt you'll even finish all groupmatches before the summer of doom break
That being said I know I speak for the whole admin staff that we've worked hard to make this cup as enjoyable as possible. We've tried to plan for everything (hense our rules set being more comprehensive). Our admins are all human like everyone else and know mistakes will happen. We know delays are unavoidable. Even the best schedule can have delays. We know not everyone is going to be happy with our decisions. We can't avoid that. We all know this is a fact of life and a fact of being an admin for an online gaming league or tournament. We accept these risks and more by taking the role as an admin. We will do our best to complete this cup on time and make the best possible decisions for the community based on the facts at hand. GL HF!
also i want to say that the community shouldn't discuss so much about organization. we should just PLAY this great game.
discussions slows down everything related to rtcw. Let's sign up for this Cup and the 3on3 Cup and Play as many games as possible and we all will be happy :D
Everybody crack a cold one and chilllllllll out! :p
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All we asked for is sticky till signups close so we can get maximum amount of coverage and people can read where to sign up....
There are other ways of promoting a cup and getting teams to sign up besides stickying the announcement on the front page for two weeks. Have you considered using the journals/forums section to post updates, a recruitment thread, or a list of signups? Or spamming the RtCW-related IRC channels? Or sending PMs to prospective teams and players?
I know there are other ways, I can spam by posten a reminder news post/journals every other day but that would probably annoy people more than just a sticky so it stays on top. We have actually contacted captains/players from previously playing teams if they were interested ;)
Either way, good luck with it!
It's rather contradictory, given that:
Clearly states boosting is allowed, however, further down:
How does it... ever not? Anything you ever do in-game is directly related towards the objective, of the game. You're essentially allowing it, then straight up disallowing it. Can you please name any specific instance in which one could boost a teammate, with a panzer, that would be... allowed and non-beneficial towards the game's objective?
It just... doesn't make sense, at all. Either you allow boosting (which, I reckon everyone that ever played RtCW will be against) or you don't.
Admin plz fix
Boosting, to me, and correct me if I'm mistaken, was always related to the fact that people would abuse spawnshields, which is genuinely the only real way of using heavy weapons (panzers, nades, arstrikes) efficiently enough to boost a person. This is the very thing that is and always has been disallowed, why change the rule? Boosting has nothing to do with a teammate shooting another in the back, as long as said person takes damage from it, it should be perfectly legitimate.
I stand 100% by the decision I've made in regards to our match. Actually I haven't even made a decision for that, playing twice was how it was originally intended to be played since phase came from the loser bracket. I can't help it if solutions were being a created by people who weren't part of the admin team (or had spoken to an admin and/or raw to get more sides to a story) to a problem that didn't exist in the first place. I admit there was confusion from all parties involved, but in the end of the day raw had not agreed to play sunday the 16th. Had raw agreed then it would have been a good option to forfeit the first game, I've also personally pointed out the following to nait two days in advance: in the case we had agreed to play that sunday then you could take a forfeit or force us to play with a merc(impossible in retrospect since we had 3 people online). That turned out not to be so, thus no forfeit. You don't even have a fucking clue what I had going on in my personal life at that moment either. I tried to plan this game whilst a relative who was very dear to me was on his deathbed and finally died as well. Do you think I was properly informed on everything related to the cup? The cup was the last thing on my mind, the only reason I did it was because malmen went on vacation and he asked me to take over. Looking back at it I don't even know why I accepted his request, but I did. I probably should have said fuck it and just let what had remained from the cup since all that drama with playa rot as well.