The KBG LAN - Prize money and more
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25 Apr 2017, 14:28
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News
It’s not even a month before we will meet the participants of the seeding tournament in Krefeld, but there is some good news coming and the seeding tournament on the tip of the finish line.
With a stunning donation of 500 €, Moe surprised us and wants his money spend to the teams.
His support to make this event special, helps us in guaranteeing a prize pool of:
4,010 €*
*payments that came in after the original newspost were added (+donations - 20€ from Kitt & HaoKakao)
He had the following to say:
66% of future donations will increase the prize pool for 6on6 and 33% of the donations will be added to the 3on3 prize pool.
Every single Cent of the remaining payments, additional sign ups and, as mentioned above, future donations will increase the prize pool. We will announce the final amount for both 6on6 and 3on3 the day before the event.
❤ Donate here
The Prizepool
We will guarantee the following prize money distribution (for the moment):
6on6 1700€ 900€ 450€ | 3on3 540€ 270€ 150€ |
The deadlines
With this news we will also set deadlines for the remaining matches of the seeding tournament, the upcoming signups and the payments of these new signups.
We want to be finished with the seeding tournament by the upcoming Monday, the 1st of May. This means ALL the games which aren’t played by then will be cancelled. If there are matches, that haven’t been played, we will seed the affected teams.
This might cause some unintelligibility for some of the players of the affected teams. The admins know about the current state and also heard about troubles agreeing on a certain day to play matches, but we can't delay the seeding tournament because of some more things we got to work out before the lan event itself.
The remaining matches are the following:
6on6 Match 20 Elysium vs. Eurocans The winner faces the winner of Match 21 Match 21 k1ngz vs. getFace The winner faces the winner of Match 20 Match 22 SMASHED vs. xD Trickjump | 3on3 Match 15 viSual vs. Kurwittu Match 22 mAlibu vs. Gut Lack |
Deadline for upcoming signups:
Signups will be closed on Sunday, the 7th of May. This means all the teams who are still willing to participate and sign up for the Krefeld Battleground LAN got to signup by the aforementioned date AND pay immediately. This helps us to be sure, that you are coming. We won't make any exceptions for anybody!
We are aware of the current interest for the 3on3 tournament and got to solve this problem also by the 7th of May. We will do our best to find a way to not let anybody down, but we can't do much more than we did already. You guys know what we need to solve this problem!
All of this is needed to give us the chance to create the tournament format and the schedule draft for the lan event, which will be done right after the 7th of May and will be announced as soon as possible.
We would also like to thank Msh100 for supporting us with a server for the event and his big support in setting it up. This makes it a lot easier for us at the event itself. Cheers mate!
If you got any problems and/or questions regarding the event, contact an admin here on crossfire or at #teamoxid on IRC.
Furthermore we will update you regarding the location on site on 6th/7th May.
And yea we will of course have a stream live from the lan and merli HAS SHOWN some interests about streaming from onlinw too
I think that the people involved in organising said event should also get a lot of credit, from what i have seen - the venue, the equipment etc. is amazing. It can only lead to a fantastic tournament.
I am going to be straight and try and explain in the best way possible, because i know to most / if not all this is going to be something that gets a lot of negative attention and or responses. I am going to be as constructive as possible and i do not mean to offend anyone in this at all.
In terms of the prize pool breakdown, there are a few things that stand out for me. First let me just say that personally (and this is the part which i know most wont agree with) the tournament has to be financially beneficial to attend. I know most will say well fuck you, its a community game now and we dont need that negative reason, but it is the truth. As the game and myself (note that im speaking for a few of my team members here too) grows older, priorities change and hence the step back from gaming. Personally i cant look at spending say 400 euros to attend a gaming tournament, whilst saving for a house. Let me also just add before i try to make my point that a lot of us and especially me have spent a hell of an amount over the past few years on attending LANs - especially coming from the UK and those countries outside of central EU, let me just say that attending these types of tournaments arent cheap. Especially when tournaments that are organised by Seanza dont pay your prize money after you win...
I have always looked at the past few events that i have attended in trying to break even in terms of the costs associated with attending. When i say break even - i mean that the cost of attending is pretty much the same as the prize money that you can potentially win. With this i dont include food / alcohol - as to me it is a luxury to be able to spend the weekend and enjoy myself with people that i have known for years and dont get the chance to see face to face at all or often.
If you look at the breakdown for example my costs in attending this - adding signup fees, travel and accommodation - i am looking at 250 euros EASILY. If you look at the prize money that is up for grabs (for first place - and believe me the amount of risk in achieving first place especially now is so high) is like 165 euros - its literally nowhere even close to "breaking even"
That also leads me on to my next point, having been persuaded by numerous people (not just team members - outside / community influences) to get a good team together - we were informed that we would have to pay the extra entrance fee. After discussing with a couple of the admins, the logic was ridiculous in terms of the reasoning as to why they still wanted to enforce the additional signup fee. When i discussed this with them, it wasn't the face that there was additional costs with us attending, the reason was that it was announced like that and that 100% of our signup money would go towards the prize pool. If this is the case, why penalise us for making a team at the very last minute, only to charge us the additional entrance fee price just because... I would understand if we had created the team 2 months ago and failed to pay the fee on time, but that was not the case.
I think that the prize pool breakdown needs to be considered. Personally for me the winners should be rewarded much more than current (note that im saying this still based on me not attending before anyone jumps on the bandwagon and says im only interested because i think if i attend i will win). My opinion is that it should be split 1200 / 600 / 300. Even 1100 / 650 / 350 would be better.
Also, having done the calculations, and although the event is in an amazing place - the fee for renting such a place must be through the roof because there is quite a substantial amount taken from that prize pool. Tournaments with these sorts of numbers in the past, the winners used to average around 1800 euros - say 300 euros each.
My last few points from an outsider and from the information i have got is that i would liked to have seen another admin involved that was separate from the current top teams attending. I personally believe that a central community figure would have majorly benefited some of the decisions above etc. - someone like merlinator / Msh100 for instance. I think having 2 of the top teams represented by their captain(s) and their organisation's manager can lead to biased decisions favouring said teams (not saying that that has 100% happened, its just my general feeling)
Anyway, based on the points above i dont see there being a great chance of attending based on my team's expenses unless we can find some form of support. Regardless and if we dont attend, i hope the tournament is a success and hope none of the above (admins especially) take the constructive criticism i have said personally.
I used myself as an example - but for instance sqzz has pretty much the same costs if not more as Deryn would also attend with him. XyLoS has to fly from Italy and razz pretty much has the same costs as me on top of a flight / train to my house.
My point that i was trying to emphasise is that priorities have changed and i cant tell my Fiance that im going to spend 500 euros on a gaming tournament instead of putting that towards saving for a house. Thats my choice personally and i know others may disagree with it - was just voicing my / my team's opinion. Other players in my team have similar priorities and are pretty much in the same position and its a shame but financially it is not viable to attend.
If i misinterpreted your post as sarcasm i apologise
And I agree raising the ticket costs because you put together a last minute team is bullshit. Good luck!
Everyone, other than the admins, have said the exact same thing. Again thanks for your support
I am realistic in the fact that you cant get a majority or any funding for this game now. I have only asked the organisations that i have messaged if they would be interested in covering our entrance fee
was in japan the last 5 weeks ;D googgo rockit!!!
we (not mainly u and me cause u always mentioned that you CAN't come) got many talks to people of your team about u guys attending the lan. i got never even a single interest from them because of different (understandable) reasons (the only one who has shown interest was chry). We can't make exceptions just towards you und let others pay more for the same seat (with you also having the bigger chance for any euro out of the prizepool). Wouldn't find it fair too.
BTW I also respect that you guys got more costs than for example some of us germans but there was a lot of time from the day of the announcement to today to find a solution or what ever.
as much as he'd like to make this all about him, the entrance fees are the same for everyone else who signed up or paid after the early bird discount ended :o) it is his fault for waiting
now the admins could make the decision to refund the difference to those who paid "late" since there were so many payments before the deadline anyway, but ironically enough that would just lower the amount of money in the prizepool for his practically-guaranteed-first-place 6on6 team :D
because of that bloodje's family had to move to North Korea
And all those trips to Ritterstraße need to be accounted for as well... xD
Hope that we dont have to pay extra for threesome with them
i won't say much more towards the extra fee you guys would have to pay if you come because i already did so! it wouldn't be fair for everyone who already paid more than the normal fee and also for other teams who would also maybe join late. we won't change our mind there and as you already said and we mentioned, we wont take this for our self or anything else than the prizepool!
about the prizepool: we can't go higher for now! every cent we got over is in that prize pool. I would also like to have a higher prize pool to make it even more attractive but we can't for the moment (it's btw higher than the last events). What I can guarantee is that the prizepools will get higher by ATLEAST 400€ because theres still 4 people from the current signups who need to pay and all this money goes into the prize pool. With this additions the balances between the different places might change abit too! We won't give the 3rd place less money than the entrance fee (on a side note)!
about the admin stuff: We are still open for anybody to help us admining on side. I'm sorry that I am using so much time to make this event a good one. For the moment we didn't have any issues with anyone and followed all the rules! Every admin did! On a side note: We also got the agreement that problems which cause our own teams won't be affected by our own admin powers, which means that e.g. problems Elysium has with anything for example Ekto or chosen are handling and so on. Past events has also shown that Sebhes acted quite fair at his own events.
At the end I can swear you that we aren't taking any cent out of the event for ourself. Try to set up such an event by yourself and you will see that such a venue with more than 30 pc's and all the around stuff is not cheap. I also have to add that we got quite lucky there at some stages because of big support from many different people. Probs going out to the guys I mean - u guys know who I mean! AND I can also add that if I would have problems with money or have to look at money in my life I would also find it pretty fair IF i and the other organisators/admins would make money out of such an event baised on all the hard work! as i said, try it on your own if u got the time!
have a nice evening and maybe see u there!
If you look at the 3on3 prize pool - the total is 710 euros. The winners get 410 - thats more than 50% of the total. 6on6 total is 2100 euros - winners get 1000 euros - thats less than 50% of the total. Why is the breakdown different across both tournaments? Shouldnt it be the same?
and then i just took 300€ steps up from there on, wasn't much of a big thinking behind it
for 3on3 I just doubled the amount all of the time, and it kinda worked out
I can see where your coming from, and I can say, we would appreciate seeing you in Krefeld if you can make it!
I guess we could probably change it a bit, and swap around a few euros, but in the end I don't think thats the reason more teams will attend.
I can totally see Ross' point, and we all got older and our focus in life changes. I guess I can speak on behalf of the admins here, that if Ross' team would attend, we would highly appreciate it and it would up the competition for the event onto a level we haven't seen for quite a few years!
nope, we don't
and 300 euros while saving for a house isnt THAT much of a difference, is it? anyway... good luck pal
excuse me???????
hell fucking yes!
HR 2on2 team! (was pretty much a 1on2 all the time :P)
Look I might come across as an arsehole being open and honest in public, but if that's what people want to take from my post then so be it - I can take it on the chin. The fact of the matter is that there has been some interest in my team attending, which at the moment is nowhere near certain happening and thought I would give an outlook on the reasons why.
If you genuinely think that most of the top players over the years left ET through lack of love or enjoyment of the game then you are certainly mistaken. Sure people age and like I said - priorities change, but I can assure you a lot of the old top players would still be around nowadays if there was a decent amount of prize money still left in ET.
Now I'm not saying anyone , especially the admins involved in this tournament are to blame but that's just the way it is.
If you want to spend 1000 euros on attending then fair play to you, I don't judge you negatively on that - in fact I find it admirable. If you think that because for me personally that I would rather prioritise general life goals over attending another LAN (when I've been to something like 8 over the years) then bigger fool you. I'm sure my reasons as well as the above could apply to a lot of top players over the years that no longer attend.
At this point it should 100% be about the love of the game and community, nothing more. So yes, it is totally unreasonable to expect to be able to cover your costs (even in part) from attending this LAN.
Moe money more problems.
As to the prize pool break down, agree, could be better.
If you ever win a tournament you will understand
I'm pretty curious what night is thinking attending this lan :/// i feel with him. Very sad boy.
And yes again. Your going because of winning money and not because of meeting friends.
You've been attended the et reborn lan (where you got your FOURTH win) with winning 1050 euros. U've changed alot at that part. But it's ok. It's my last respond to this theme.
gl with your house
perfect (y)
I have responsibilities in life outside of gaming and it would be unreasonable to spend the amount of money that I need to spend to attend. If that makes me a gold digger or a bad person - then believe me - I can live with that on my conscious.
The amount of money that I have lost over the years including when I have won is ridiculous. You're right - the winnings from reborn only pretty much covered my expenses other than food or alcohol - but I was happy with that - I also didn't have the responsibilities that I have currently in my life.
You can't play ET for as long as I have if you are a gold digger. I guarantee that if ET regular tournaments of 10k plus you would see old players - like reload or winghaven and many others transition back to the game. I am not blaming anyone for that - but it's the truth whether you want to believe it or not
If you cant affort going LAN then you simply dont go. There is nothing wrong for asking support though impossible to get. This is ET. No need to make big number about it
There are only couple of teams who are going to attend very sirius winning business to the LAN and the rest to just meet ppl and shoot couple of headshots.
This is not huge eSports game with serious scene like CSGO.
If your only motivation is money then you should change the game.
Im renting an apartment myself and got some other costs aswell. And I or more likely We (oxid) are going to the lan to meet us all again and see some other friends and ofc because we love the game so much. But tbh, if you cant afford coming to the lan why even bothering and try to get some early bird price when youre too late. tbh it would be nice if you guys would come but on the other side if you cant afford it i wont be sad if you guys wont come.
Its simplle u cant afford it -> dont come.
You talk that we are too late for the early bird price - but what is the reason for the additional entrance fee cost. Pretty much everyone other than the admins see this as illogical as it deters people from signing up. Sure it's only 15 euros each, but for the sake of keeping it at 65 euros each and the tournament is potentially putting off new teams joining and losing an additional team and 390 euros.
Like I've said numerous times, it's not like we announced we would go months ago and failed to pay. If anything - that we be an adequate punishment, but we made a decision to attempt to go like 2 weeks ago. The fact that there is no additional costs to the tournament and our entrance fee goes 100% to the prize money, then why not let us pay the early bird price. It's expensive enough as it is for a team like us to attend...
People who announced that they would play / signup before early bird fee elapsed should be penalised because they put the team(s) and LAN at jeopardy.
A new team signing up last minute that attributes no additional cost in attending to the tournament or the teams shouldn't have to pay an additional fee just because it is last minute. You say that i am seeing this from my own point of view but i would be saying this even if i had signed up (months ago) and a new team was looking at attending. The reasoning is that you encourage more teams to attend regardless of their skill... Like you say, it is a community event and a community game so apply logic that encourages more people and or teams to attend
And don't get me wrong. I personally would like to see u guys there but I have to see this also from another side this time and thats about fairness and much more.
There are some things that i dont agree with, that doesnt mean that i think you or the admins / tournament are evil people - i just think there are some decisions that could have been dealt with better or made more reasonable.
If you dont agree with that fine and i respect people that can give a valid argument, but so far all i keep seeing is people twisting what i have said and playing victim and portraying my views into some sort of irriational argument.
If anything you became personal with your statements of me being a gold digger and so forth. Are you really that delusional that you think that i want to attend this LAN for financial gains? Just because i have things that are more of a priority in my life outside of gaming, doesnt make me a bad person for stating that the winning prize money wouldnt even cover our costs in getting to the tournament. At the minute, we aren't even favourites regardless of what the community thinks because we are all rusty and dont have the time we want to put in to praccing etc.
My personal opinion is something that i stand by and if you dont agree then dont constantly play victim. I am probably one of the most reasonable people here and just because you dont like someone criticising some of your / the tournament's decisions, doesnt mean that you have to play the community card all the time for justification.
If you would have provided a fair or logical rational to some of the decisions that i criticised, then i would have openly stated that i understand. Now you are saying that additional PC's are required if we signup, yet for the past 2 weeks you have told me that 100% of our signup fee is going towards the prize pool. So which one is it?
actually i dont want you to stop this entertainment but i give you one good reason. just think about the next lan if there ever will be another but if...
it will be even more difficult for the staff to organize it coz next time there gonna be even more ppl who wanna save some money ;) regardless if it was your intention or not, ppl will remember...
u constantly want ppl to understand where u comin from but you have zero empathy^^
just a hint... do urself a favour and stop that shame. ur opinion is stated long ago. you just whining now.
just my two cents as an objective reader here ;)
tell him some hot stuff of us here owning ;)
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( hallo razz :)
but idd too bad we never had the chance to play some games! ET just started dying way too early for me. then serious life caught me up ;) luckily i left this period bout getting a house already behind me.
phuck the lan and invite razz for a smoke in ur house once you got it, even more fun than owning american et player from below the comment section offline hahah
were not getting paid the entrance fee but the entrance fee isnt as much that u can make such a big discussion, like i said if u cant afford it u simply cant come
that you felt the need to share any of that with us as if you were ever going to get our sympathy for being forced (along with everyone else) to pay a slightly higher entry fee for signing up late and maybe just maybe not making a profit on a trip to play a free 14-year old video game in another country versus a dozen other teams, most of which yours would utterly destroy with minimum effort anyway
'Still left'? People didn't play for money then, and I doubt they would now, short of throwing like a 50k prizepool at the event people aren't coming back for anything other than a bit of nostalgia and fun.
Actually I kinda think the inverse of your statement is also true. Old top players might be persuaded to come play some ET if the prizepool was 0. You lower the entry fee for every participant, reducing/spreading costs amongst the interested community. Like you say, priorities shift, many of us wouldn't be practicing or preparing, so it's not going to be overly competitive to begin with.
This event sounds like more of a meetup/holiday. You can't be upset because people don't want to donate to the cost of your holiday if you win, that's just unfair. If you can't afford it, or you don't think it's a valuable use of your money, then don't go? You don't need to defend that, and people will respect your choice - I just think you're being a tad unfair on the community.
Regarding admining, unfortunately I have a clash so can not attend myself. I do feel these guys will be fair though and I am sure there is potential to offload some admining tasks to community members online.
I'm also saving to buy a house so I understand very well where you're coming from. Do yourself a favour and stay home. There are better options to splurge your money on, such as a weekend out with your fiancee.
Good luck with saving for your house
Anyway, congrats on the house mate - good luck with the mrs too
I'll definitely try and watch some of your games on a stream though when it's done and dusted!
Good to see you posting on here at least!
That seems fucking brutal! Get it!!!!
I have finished my bachelor o.s. october 2016 and also my dog had cancer so my whole money went for my study and to my dog. Gladly I could directly find a job after my study but around 70% of my income I have to save for my master study, new appartment which I will begin in october and to pay my old bills. I also bought a car couple of weeks ago and eventho I live in germany I need to spend around 500euros for this weekend and Im not whining about this. But I see this tournament more like a vacation than some serious shit^^. I have never been on a lan cuz back in the days I had even less money but this time I wanna take this (probably last) chance to meet all the people I have met in this great game.
so ye if u go there cuz of the money then u should play overwatch or csgo and shouldnt attend this lan
if u wanna meet up some old mates, then take this chance
but rly dont expect that the admins r doing any exceptions just cuz some old heros might go to this lan
With regards to you dog - I'm really sorry about that. We had to put my dog to sleep 3 weeks ago because of cancer and I was devastated.
Enjoy your time at LAN - it is a great experience
1. I think alot of people are in your situation and i understand 400+ euros just to play a game for a weekend is alot of money. Not sure if I was in your place I would consider doing that
2. Its strange for a lan that call itself a community game to raise money thus avoiding teams to join the lan. At the other hand it is totally understandable since the organisers just wanted their money thus being sure they had enough to organise everything. I would have prefered another sanction, for example the teams that are late signing up will have bad seeding and cannot choose decider maps through the group phase when needed.
3. I understand you saying that it is alot of money, especially when you are saving money for a house etc. At the other hand, purely looking at it from your perspective, what does raising money for first place have to do with this?
What will you do if you don't finish first? Looking at your comments this would be a disaster and thus it is difficult to understand why you even consider going..
Best of luck trying to find some funders..
Good luck with your team as well
I didnt go to other lans as I couldnt afford it, everyones situations change so cant blame you for putting the house first. Im currently buying a house and just found out 2 weeks ago I got a little one on the way! Last chance to spend money on what I want.
Good luck
Good luck with the house!
I can understand if you can't spare the money / it's not worth the money for you to attend. That's perfectly fine. But imo you should not blame the price money.
I am not saying or blaming the prize money - the money part mainly has to do with the whole additional signup fee for the sake of it. The prize money is the prize money, its just for a team and players outside of Europe it is expensive. I was just stating that even if you do win, for a team like ours it doesn't cover the cost of even attending regardless of the food / alcohol costs. As people have stated it is up to us whether we decide to attend on that basis or not
The other thing is the entrance fee. You see the additional 15e as a penalty, but from what i read that's actually the normal price. "Early bird" usually means some kind of special offer, so cheaper than normal. In this case the early bird should attract as many people as possible to attend to make sure that there will be enough teams at all and have a guaranteed prizepool. So it's actually an abatement to those teams that register early because they are the ones who guarantee that the lan is happening, and not a penalty for those who register their team later as you are basically paying the normal fee.
das ist aber zu stressig mit 5-6 stunden einfacher zugfahrt :D
I totally undesratsnd your position since im in the same one aswell.
Paying more in the last days of the lan is pretty normal since people who are attending 100% in the first days of opening the signups are basically the ones who are making it happen at all.
Nevertheless, I am the guy who is not attending because of personal reasons (read:money) since im building a house right now.
So if you will not attend (which i personally would love to see you playing there) you are not alone in this. Hopefully we can share the same teamspeak and whine about people playing there and judge their drunk-asses in the morning.
Hope to see you there, matey!
Good luck and have fun, if you'll attend.
Oh and for all the players and teams that possibly might not break even, but decided to sign up anyway. :D
and thanks to moe for his generosity :o)
I'm planning to come to the LAN as a visitor (and also to support some guys). I'm looking forward to coming to my first ever ET LAN party! (and hopefully not the last).
Any chances for a timetable or is it still being worked on? I just kinda want to know how to plan some other stuff (such as getting to the hotel, getting some sleep after the flight etc) around the games.
Best Regards!
Start bitchnig now:
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but for what? to compete with lowskillers like you? sorry but i was playing ET when it was live. no need to beat up wannabe willstars like you at lan anymore.
sorry to disappoint you but you missed the best time in et and the characters you trying to master here ;D
you dont know shit about how its done.
take a course and search for some guardian comments then you know how its done
keep watching ur gamestv replays. since you even think ettv got released with ET ;D
then you just need to imagine its sunday 3 pm with some hundreds of idlers following the scoresheet popups in irc lol, i know its hard to imagine that nowadays for an et irc channel.
but if you do this i can give you 1 % of the feeling what et was like back then in a huge community with massive competition.
so stop ur bullshit talk you dont even have any comparison about. it aint nuttin but the oldschool. thats always. just ask urself why you study gamestv hrhrhr fanboi.
you cant even front on me so stop stalking me. im finish with you now. ;)
i dont have any idols lol
if all the top teams would be still active, they would still be on top. only a minor of todays team could compete against ex-top teams, thats a fact yeah. there are reasons why the players who started playing at the same time ended up on top teams and why others struggle on the OC-premier level for the rest of their lives, well that would the case if the game was still kicking well
and yes this is my own opinion stated as my own fact, some people might think different
over and out
lol.
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You are shit tier player (always have, always will be) and u really shouldnt talk anything about anyones skill level
If you were around back then when i got 3 months CB ban u would know that the cheating had nothing to do with any skill level, after all im pretty sure that cheating in public doesnt really boost u much anywhere.
Cheater.
Bulld0g & killerboy too, not that any of it matters either way
u werent even around back then so u have no idea what are u even talking about :-----D
also my first ettv game ever is played with #SWANMIX so u get points from that too.
Other than that quite second level achievements
Ross and Co have always been formidable, but look how sick6 performed at their last lan with their all-time allstar players. Don't tell me they didn't practice actively for that one, because they did.
Now start going to 2009, https://www.gamestv.org/event/12319-sleeperz-vs-pstarz/ , players are overall better, move better, aim better and lets face it, they arent complete nonames. One year after, things again get better: https://www.gamestv.org/event/20411-team-dignitas-vs-overload/
Please compare any of those players from 2009 to any of those players in the link from your -oldest- game I could find from you, and come tell me again that the good old days , watever year u refer to, were better than those.
I could do the same with riddle the german guy above, it is easier because his lineup is in his cf profile and it is very easy to compare those ppl´s skill to player´s skill from after 2005. The comparisson is simply laughable. Now obviously I am not saying 2017 top teams are better than top 2010 teams, that is why I was very specific with the years I mentioned, so to end this, I dont understand why you said in your last sentence: ; well it is hard for me to "talk to" someone who cant even read . I didnt say NOW (2017) , I gave specific year examples, so please read carefully and try again.
The game evolved alot from old days and i would say the game was at its strongest somewhere between 2007-2009 and close to the "best u can do" Might be off a year or so but anyway.
Any top-3 team those days would've shit on most of the old era teams with no problems.
The game was evolving a lot in the first years and many things changed that made sure that teams needed to keep evolving(maps, xp rewards, mods, config) that experience made those teams top teams around that time great. Since 2007 the game was basically the same until now. Tbh I miss those times we had huge discussions about XP rewards in competition :D
Back in 2004 you did not had the best gear, unlike today. You did not had the knowledge from GamesTV. You would get new maps every cup, and needed to make your own custom tactics for it. I feel sad that some newschool players never had those times, because it was quite fun to make tactics on catherdral or reactor and just trying it in matches, you could not copy it from gamestv. Back in 2004 we had like 30min tactical discussion before each match(also trying mortar spots, mg, flamer things like that, rifle was not even standard used everywhere)
In 2004 tactics, gamestyle and teamplay made more difference than aim.
Fast forward to 2007-2009. All teams have basically refined the tactics by learning it from each other and on gamestv. The gamestyle is really aggressive and more focused on individual skill and aim. Still top teams make the difference because of experience and teamplay. All players have evolved. The maps barely change anymore.
I have played active between 2004-2007 around medium level. When I look at my demos from 2004 I would laugh also at them, but for that time it was not bad. In 2004 i played with players like: abort, efax, kris, bullvox, rocky, modus and mize just to name a few.
Nowdays I can still compete on medium level If i put some more time into it, but don't really care anymore. From my point of view, if those oldschool highskilled players that played between 2004-2007 would really care and invest time like the newschoolers playing are doing now, they can still compete on the highest level. But only those oldschooler that have played between 2004-2007. Players that quit around 2005-2006 would not be able to compete, nowdays because too much has changed.
I also played ETQW for two years. After two years a so called top team came back and played us in 4on4 and we held them at the first stage. They expected to be still a top team after two years, but that is not possible. But if you where once highskillled and put the effort into it, you can be highskilled again. But most don't have the motivation, especially in such an old game like this.
so you connect such emotions with some bullshitting on xfire ;D schoolboy be happy that its online otherwise it would look kinda like this... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZt-fry9zto
i dont even need to reply on anything actually. the more u say the more you are owning urself ;D you honestly dont belong to the smartest group of users on this here or u are just way too naiv to see that just spamming something doesnt make it more true ;) maybe some ppl on ur IQ level or lower will take ur comparisons concernig skill developement about buried ET and football, the most commercial sport until this day, serious but who cares bout those. thats trump target group, not mine ;D
ok im off again for some days. so turn ur brain on this time, think further and suggest that i might take some time to reply, im not nerding here everyday anymore ;)
lol feel like talking to a child ;D how long u still wanna talk about it... actually everything is said. real recognise real. ppl who can actually think will build their opinion on whats said. i was there when ET was on its peak competing with the best and i was also there when it was already on its downfall... some other time witnesses who can actually have first hand opinion also tried to tell u whats up. its ridicolous to take a side like you do by just watching gamestv replays from "that" time but thats a topic i dont even wanna disucss with somebody "limited" like you^^ just keep on livin in ur world and be happy somebody from the real back then actually gave u one reply after all those spam^^
hope this time nepotism admins wont delete my comments for stupid reasons. let us at least have some entertainment here from time to time. no 3-5 words german in it this time. should be okay for this not dead enough site where people are still busy with the comment i posted weeks ago? lol ;p
now gimme something to read for the next moment of boredom...
you were there when Et was SUPER active and full of lower skilled players all around. Any top 2007 team would completely destroy any top 2004...2005 team. Others here who played at that time and didnt stop after 2005 as you see in the comments have also said that, because it is simply the truth. The game skill evolved too much, when I say just watch your old games and compare them to 2007, for example, I mean it, it is too easy to see the difference in skill. Of course you dont wanna discuss because your point is too easy to disprove as I said. Literally open any of your games and see yourself jumping like a scrub and shooting 10+bullets to get a kill, in comparisson the the skill level of the following years. Just by going with the lineup listed in your cf profile and comparing it to any team from 2007, you would get completely destroyed. Or now you gonna tell me that you think you are better than actual top players like maus? Type your nickname in gamestv and see what you can find, it is laughable that you think of yourself as some sort of legend or smth, sorry to break it to you but you arent :/ ,; sorry if reality triggers you.
You have like 0 arguments and a lot of adhominem attacks, you are the child here buddy.
It was very fun to read your meltdown tho. Keep it interesting!
anyway good job chosen + team and have fun with the LAN. Unfortunately I don't have the time right now to attend, but maybe next time (if there is one).
Thank you!
What I gathered from this thread so far:
there wil an et lan
every1 seems fine with the torunament, prize distribution and most admin decisions, except for 1 person.
That 1 person, who posted over half the comments in this thread REALLY WANTS ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THAT HE DOES HAVE A FIANCEE1!!!
HE ALSO WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT HE HAS A LIFE OUTSIDE ET!!!!!
IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT FOR HIM THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT HE IS BUYING A HOUSE!!!!
Please would some1 please undersdtand where ROSS IS COMING FROM? Would SOME1 PLS DONATE THE 50 OR SO EUROS THAT ARE STOPPING HIM AND HIS TEAM FROM GOING TO THE LAN?? BUT BE CAREFUL!! IF HE DOESNT WIN THE LAN HE WONT BREAK EVEN AND IT MIGHT COST HIM SOME MONEY TO ATTEND (GOD FORBID!!) AND HE COULD EVEN LOSE HIS HOUSE AND HIS FIANCEE!!
Yea still in germany but a bit far from where the lan is.
Maybe, I asked eitileda who is living very close to that place if he would join me. Dunno if I would go alone if I dont get the chance to play and it seems very late for that (sadly ohurcool ignored and even deleted my comment in his "looking for a rifle thread") . Would be nice to get wasted with u and ohurcol tho, so thats why am thinking about it
ON THE OTHER HAND I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND (NOT RLLY), I AM SAVING FOR A HOUSE ; A CAR; AND SOME HOLIDAYS IN COLOMBIA; I HAVE A LIFE OUTSIADE ET U KNOWßßß??? PRIO>TITIES IN LIFE CHANGED I HOPE U CAN UNDERDSTDAND WHERE I AM COMING FROM AND RESPECT MY OPINION!!! I AINT NO GOLDIGGER LEAV EME LAONE? AND FOR THE RECORD I HAVE BEEN TO 3 ET COLOMBIAN LANS AND WON THEM ALL AND EVEN I COULDNT BREAK EVEN!! NO GOLDIGGIN!
Haha stop being a troll xdddddd
BUT U KNOW I NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THIS EXPENSES TO MY GIRLFRIEDND(RIGJHT HAND); BECAUSR PRIORITIES RIG<HT NOW ARE RENT AND MY FUTURE HOUSE AND IF I GO AND DONDT WIN I WILL BREAK MY BANK ACCOUNT AND LOSE ALL; NO TROLLING PLS UNDERSDATDN MY LIFE SITUATION AND WHERE I AM COMIG FROM; RESPECT.
cu @ LAN
<3
GL with the LAN guys, especially tMoe people - crossing my fingers for the
Without this I don't think that I can submit a robust business case to my financial investors and we will be unable to justify attending. Thanks.
please help those guys to attend i already helped cheers
Nice effort ofc. GL and HF