should pb screenshots be turned off from match config?

Automatic Punkbuster screenshots have been used in our match configs for quite some time now, how do they affect? an extreme example can be seen here:

image: clownpb

Link to Videoclip of it

This was posted by clown to my column.

So should we still stick to having automatic punkbuster screenshots or are they completely useless as every possible hack goes around them?
28.1 %
(370 votes)
45.0 %
(594 votes)
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(355 votes)
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hacks require more resources if they have to provide clean punkbuster screenshots but also legit players suffer a lot from the lags caused by these screenshots.

Voted yes, remove it.
u dont bust anythign with pbss anyway-...
tbh.. i dont feel so many lags cause of pbss... only sometimes (rly sometimes.. not often at all) some little freeze..
try on the gtv servers, they're all configured to use the new CB/GV scripts with their pbss settings, they're 640x320 atm, we used 400x204 before.

I even experience lag because of it, and i have 1,5mbit up .. :X
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and ET still uses max 5 kbit upload, ping is all about routing
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true, but I mean when a pbss has been taken (or if its uploading the ss)
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dunno then, but i meant overall
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I dont Finland Mind :D:D:D:D:D:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I see what you did there D:D::D.d.:D.d:D:A:S:A::D:D::D:AS::S:D::: D::
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i donno, i had no problem with pb screens until some weeks ago when alot of ppl (with mostly not so decent pcs) who played on prvt servers started to lag like hell, but it is unbearable, even for uberlaggers like me who are used to lagging. but pbss is important cause its one of the few ways to actually bust cheaters, even if most of them give clean ss. So I would vote no, wait for next pb update (LOL)

QuoteTuesday 07.08.2008 [1:45PM]

Version 1.678 of the PB Server for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page. This is a maintenance release.


Tuesday 07.08.2008 [1:45PM]

Version 2.083 of the PB Client for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page. This is a maintenance release.

Monday 06.23.2008 [4:45PM]

Version 1.673 of the PB Server for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page. This is a maintenance release.


when pb got updated, people started to lag
it wont take that long for them to realise that their software gives ppl lag after latest updates, so they will fix it asap i hope (im sending ticket atm)

ticket sent, waiting for response, story so far:

Quote by hellhammerAfter the last Punkbuster update, alot of people who play on ET servers that make automatic pb screenshots are lagging and experiencing huge fps drops (in relation to older days).

one simple example of what Im talking about:

http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=forum&mode=item&id=17408

The community is thinking about turning it off from gameservers in the near future.
example:

http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=poll&mode=item&id=376#comment19873

(another example of pb screenshots causing lag to players, watch the videoclip)
I sincerely hope you fix this issue asap


if i get responses i will update asap
just remove it, the problem are players using private bots and they have clean ss (99% of the time)
didn't have any problem with it
they arent "completely useless" but they dont worth the lags they cause
tho i neer had any problem with it
as you said,
anyone who compete in high lvl, if he have any hacks it would be undetected with pbss blocker :~>
therefor the pbss in the server config is useless :d
Are you saying everyone plays at high level of skill? Or that no one else except high skillers matter?
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i meant that in competition, the players are skilled, so if any of them hax it would be with hax the bought :d
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useless, as majority of cheaters are using bots... and if not they are having pbblocker so ss is clean ... only newbies in to the world of cheating are being caught by pbss
i would say make a better version of pbss, which can not be fooled by cheat software.. yep yep yep :"D"D"D
There shit, they catch only people using public/linux hacks and the occasional fool who leaves Box ESP on @ ethook.
- people can use public hacks
+ this pbss lags will disepear and soon maybe anti3 will make et more cheat free.
Voted wrong one :S
They should not be removed, but those over sized pbss aren''t realy needed. Just set a smaller size and the lag should be gone (since most servers used pbss before but with normal settings)
No, because as far as I know pbss on that particular server were configured to get bigger than usual screenshots which caused lag in this case, normally I haven't noticed lags because of smaller pbss.

But this one was awesome!

I mean, we've played this game for 5 years, lmao and it didn't really bother anyone till now, so retards forgetting to turn on pbss_off in their cheats will still be caught because of it :)
erhm its not that server only, its the new CB/GV scripts which forces all the servers to use those settings, so every CB match has to be played on a server with those settings, they will all be as big as that one :P
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hell no. If you turn them off then why shouldn't I use rivatuner?
laol true :p
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rofl idd :D keep them
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and then we couldnt see if mystic has changed his config.. NO THX
Keep them ofc!... Those are the basic methods used to catch cheats. Removing them will only make coding cheats much more easy. Also people could use some engine bugs as wallhack (such as rivatner) and who knows what other methods.
I wasn't aware that pbss is configured in match configs, silly me thought that it was in server config...OH LOOK IT IS
Poor matias:< its not pb fault that hes hacks turned off when pb took shot:-D
Turn them off, take them manually. It's about time match refs had rcon access to do this kind of stuff in-game.. as well as banning IP's, changing server pw etc.
and then u get a match ref like evan
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I like to pretend he didn't, and doesn't exist.
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well people could use public hacks then ?
rofl, who's idea was this
No as long as we still use PB.
No, never. It would make possible to use rivatuner without any consequences.

And it still helps bustin some idiot cheaters + it hasn't bothered anyone till now, so just let it be.

+ it's same for everyone.
'till now' = when CB announced their partnership with GV, which forces us to use their pbsv.cfg with those pbss settings..
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Aha, so the point is that the screenshots could be smaller than they are at the moment?

I thought the only problem is that they are turned on. But in case they could be smaller, only the size should be changed.

Soz for bad knowledge about this :z
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np :P

I think 400x204 will be just fine, that was used before and worked without causling lag imo ^^
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Ok, then only change the size smaller and everybody will be happy again, except rivatuners!
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it still does give a spike, Ive had those ever since taking pbss became popular.
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that avi is shit, doesnt proof anythink
Cheaters who do not have a pbssblocker will probably get caught by the streaming already, thats my opinion.. I hosted a lot of ET servers and I think I never busted anyone with a pbss (from when I started streaming).

Turn them off or use the old settings again.. 400x204 is enough. Why do we need screenies of 640x320, while the chances of busting someone with it are very low :X
There's already a thread about it @ GV, but ofcourse they're not giving useful replies, they also deleted my example pbss because they don't want pbguids on public :P

btw, they use 320x240 for pbss @ CoD4, wtf?
i voted for no!
just make the shooted area a bit smaller.
imo the GV options are very big/huge.
How many ppl have been busted by these shots?

They cause a lot lag, so better turn them off. Manual pb shots should be still possible though.
so what how many people got busted with pbss? if 1 person got caught with the pbbs, its still another cheater gone.
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My point was, I don't know any, nor do I know who and how the autoshots are being checked, so as far as I'm concerned they are totally useless feature. That's why I'd like to know if there is any real use for them actually?
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Oh my god! If you do not kow THE rivatuner case then you're a newb but I know you aren't
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u mean the razz case?

Well, I was playing with himself in that very war where he got caught, so yeah I don't know that occasion at all "xD"
razz used to be our 3rd guy in defix 3on3 that time, so that ruckus affected us big time

And seems like u don't get the point in here. Razz wasn't busted for automatic shots by pb. Pb didn't even take such shots back then. He was busted by chaoz and other streetfighter guys' manually taken pb shots. And no one is obviating those shots in here. We want to remove these automatic shots that no one even checks ever but still they cause a lot lag.
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Well I still think there are some ppl checking those automatic screens. And if only 1 guy gets busted with them I'm already happy.
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why did he go for the kill, he lost obj for that..


I dont Mind/Care
thats why im laggin :|
and that server sucked hard tbh, it wasn't all about pbss, it was lagging all the time
I find them useful - pbbans
Vista only gives black screens, that alone should be reason to switch it off. When was the last time a high profile cheater has been busted by a pbss? razz? and that wasn't even a traditional cheat. All pbss at the moment does is causing lag for all players.
smartass.
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did you want to reply to me? :O
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Comparing the caused lags and the use of it......Remove it! Cheaters getting busted with pbss are pretty stupid and very rare.
ALOT OF PLAYERS ARE FORGETTING RIVATUNER!!! without pbss everybody'll use rivatuner and that would be a shame :(
Waitin for K1lL3rB0y comment: "Yes, they only cause lag: 28.1% = cheaters"
Yes, they only cause lag: 28.1% = cheaters
dude, have u been suffering from ageboost lately?
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Remove them, please. I've been experiencing those laggs for some days every second minute now, and they're annoying me ..
Turn them off imo, I lag like shit due to PB and it's annoying me like hell.

The only downside to turning them off is

- we won't bust cheaters who are too dumb to turn off antipbss
- we won't bust rivatunerers
yes turn it off, i want to use rivatuner
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what does it help when we can see from your demos that you are shooting through trees & bushes?
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I will say luck and hitsound
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manual screenshots are still possible, whoever wants to risk his career with for example rivatuner may do so...
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just get a better anticheat imo.
Well, people are saying that not many people are getting busted by it. That's true, but if we turn it off, public cheats, cheaper cheats and bigger tweakings can be used more easily. So I suggest just to keep the foto size smaller and think about it later if this game ever is going to have some megasuperanticheat that everyone is talking about.
how about turning them off and using x-ray ?
only if you put a gun to a cheaters head and say ''X-Ray on" then they might do it.
else you got more stuff like i forgot it and so on.

and personaly i find or have the feeling that it makes me lag when i play
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Not all ppl have hax that goes around pbss.
The new kids in et gownload oftend old buts or pbss busting bots with the green and red mans and so on so keep the ss.

cause a bust with pbss is hard prove of cheating and there are then no but's.
I say NO but I voted "Dont care", guess why? cuz I don't. :-)
Well maybe u can just use some servers like it. I mean like cb servers and some more servers that, but leave all other unchanged. Anyways it doesn't matter much, punkbuster is history soon. Hope antipro is way better and causes less lag
Auto screenshots by themselves are not bad, but the new CB gameviolation "ruleset" forces incredibly high quality, high resolution pbss. Uploading 300kb during an important match every 10 mins is not funny :/ Gameviolations cod4 auto pbss dont have such high settings for screenshots, i guess otherwise cod4 players would just quit cb, too bad et players cant do anything yet...
voted: i don't mind/care

keep em, toss em, i don't care
dont turn them off coz they make games more exciting. näh but seriously I have those laggs all the time, nowadays pb is lagging too much, it's uncomfortable to play, that is why I dont enjoy playing ET anymore. :/

I still dont get why we used punkbuster on cdc, atleast it made me lag like hell.
In nc countries like portugal begged to have pb turned off and they said the game felt smoother then ever. Should try it for myself, maybe when TAG meets the Nigger squad we could give it a try.
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I remember when ppl couldn't connect to servers where was punkbuster for like 1 day, then we played some games without pb and it felt fucking nice, although pb wasnt lagging too much at that time.
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so i guess you could turn the services off without getting kicked then? ^^

we can play delivery again and try without pb ^^
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you just fail.
take a medic pack and you do it ...
unbelievable how fuckin you failed
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If everyone if forced to demo or the match is on ETTV, yes, I don't see why not. After all, Clanbase is accepting demos as evidence for bans.
I don't get it why everyone mixes up automatic and manual shots. There's a huge difference between those, and the only ban cases I know about are cause by manual shots. I don't know about anyone getting busted for automatic shots. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I dont Mind/Care:
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Just make pbss non-automatic. Turning this feature off doesn't mean the server admin can't manually take shots. This feature is great for public hackers because they are more likely to get caught.

In any case that's what this automatic feature was designed for in my opinion. So I see no valid reason not to get rid of it in competition matches, but still use the manual cmd or rcons to get some pbss when the doubt arises!
Saw the nicks and know they are cheaters, but that avi is just awesome... it shows nothing
Wow, just wow.

The avi is supposed to show the lag caused by pb, not prove that someone's cheating...
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like he would have killed him, sooo big lag
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I guess making the size smaller would be the best choice . . .
Ah cool, ET-Ace being created by a Sheff Uni student :D
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You there too?
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Yep, just finished my first year.
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Nice, what are you studying?
Well, I'm not going to be there this year, I'm on a student exchange program, and consequently I am in America right now. But see you next year :P (2009/2010 university year)
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Doing Archaeology, so where abouts in America are you?
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Virginia Tech
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:) why? :P
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the virgina tech massacre :o)
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I am pretty impressed to notice police patrols very often. And that's now, when term is still 1 week away and 90% of the students aren't here. They're doing their job...
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koto got caught thanks to pbss, no one remembers?
.. no, because he didn't?
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Those aren't punkbuster screenshots
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ah, indeed, didn't paid attention... :E

well, where do they come from then?
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[16:56:43] IuR ...: lol
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This sounds like old ladies talking :D
"Yesterday I called Sheila, she has headache"
"OH NO, IS IT BAD?"
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turning them off is basically a direct invite for every potential hacker...

perhaps its possible to improve the code or sth like that to reduce the lag
I want to change my vote to yes, because it lags too much.
They cause lag but they help busting cheaters therefore voted no.
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