Should Canada have been kicked from NC?

We all now know the story, in their win over Hungary Canada used a merc (United States of America theend). Canadian captain Anim then also merc’d for the USA team in their loss to Slovenia.

ClanBase have made their judgement, banned the Canadian captain and forfeited the match against Hungary. Is this enough?

Should Canada be thrown out of the competition, or was CB right in not reverting to collective punishment?

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OMGOMG KIPSTER YOU ARE FIRST! :DDD


// kick amis because i say so!
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Plz CB...
let them play, lolz :0

I dont see any reasons for kicking out Canada team...
Guess you could argue that since the player got banned for merc’n, why not the team? There’s no chance they didn’t know what was going on… “intentional deceit”
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we both know how active NA et scene is ... rules are rules and they apply for everyone, but gosh, its like spanking a baby becuse someone stole their candy...

I just dont feel it right, to punish team willing to play, but not having the possibility to because one player isnt avi ... and im sure he got serious reasons like eye cancer of his cat or something, and he really couldnt play
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ban them just for bryan adams,but for the merc thing .cmon
can you be sure they didnt hold a usa passport
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They offended the rules, they deserve to be kicked.

Also in my eyes it's the wrong thing to do, but they obviously did offend the rules. The thing that needs to be changed is the rules.
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and what about USA? should we play vs them this week or not???
plox inform me as fast as possible
didn't they sign out already
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no idea ;o
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they left the competition imo
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ya they gone!
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ye i saw
only cro & slo left /o>
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No, CB have done enough
cb have done enough ...
CB are killing even the rest of the competition outside europe. Ofc the smurf thing wasn't jusitified or fair but I don't really think a non-european team in the curretn state would have a lot changes vs european teams (even with these smurfs). And at least they didn't have european smurfs which would have been kinda lame in my eyes.
This is surely not very encouraging for the scene outside europe :(
its TheEnd :[

anyway, wont help much, i guess anim will just be playing next match, sunday :D
No, CB have done enough
No, CB have done enough
kick them!
never trusted those cochroaches.
Blank vote / show me the results.
No, CB have done enough:
done enough
fuck canada
why would you kick deep lowskill representations, that played nc mostly for phun ? :C
+1 forfeit is what they deserv...
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dont kick them
low skill anyway
Thats why this lowskill team took a round from TEAM BELGIUM


UGH UGH UGH UGH UGH


<3
(please dont make an excuse)
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It's not because you get lucky on one map and get raged on the other two that you aren't low+.
If you actually specced the game you would see they suck.
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Raged, we held bad on Grush yet we were grabbing the gold on you guys in 4 minutes. we just didnt have time. Delivery i will admit we did bad. We are playing with 200 ping and we take a round and was grabbing gold in 4 minutes on grush and we are low skilled, what does that make you?

Once again, dont take it too serious, im just saying.
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No, CB have done more than enough.
anim gets banned:D? bb 2 week teams
If we would let this pass without sanction, what would be next? Butchji and Reload playing as merc for team Ukraine? It would turn into a farce. It's very sad but we have to kick them:(

edit: Yes, both CAN & US should be kicked. If an EC clan let a non-valid person play the whole team is instantly kicked.
Yes, because the people that merced changed the skill level of the teams...not.
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The skill of the merc has nothing to do with it. It's about letting a person from another country play for yours which isn't allowed.

Otherwise you can swap persons from the same skill between countries like swapping reload with butchji because they are both very good so where would this end...
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Your use of Reload and Butchji in your example makes it pointless. If Ukraine had Reload or Butchji they would do much better, where as America using Anim and Canada using TheEnd really didn't change the teams skill that much.
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Well, let me say it better. Butchji and Reload have more or less the same skill so you would allow Reload to play for Germany and Butchji for Estonia because they both have the same skill.
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That is actually well put, and I honestly don't have a real answer for it. I'm not saying that smurfing was right, I'm just saying that people are making an ant hill into a mountain here.
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Clanbase???? Consistency????

RED CARD
Quote Team Austria
Date: 8 February
If a player is forced to use a different guid than the one he or she is registered with, he/she should inform the supervisors as soon as possible about that with as much information as possible (e.g. ip, guid(s), netcafé name). Sanctions: Red Card Red Card.

player Limbonic

YELLOW CARD
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Poland
Date: 8 February
Players must be listed on the nation's corresponding ClanBase page before they are allowed to play. If they are not and play a match the national team and the player in question will be awarded a yellow card. There is no limit to the number of players in a national team, and players can be added to and removed from the team at any time during the season.

xanah


http://clanbase.ggl.com/cupcard.php?lid=8339


The worst action gets less penalty... AWESOME.
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Clanbase ARE well known for their consistancy and good governance!
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Googling *governance* brb .........
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Try Governance relates to consistent management, cohesive policies, processes and decision-rights for a given area of responsibility.
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KICK THEM MADA FOKA !
Kick them. Most of them care less about NC then about getting good frags at STA box.
i voted "NO" because they lost anyway
but they should be playing with canadiens only tbh
do you like making a drama out of nothing, nellie? you seem to do it too much, take a break
I'd ban the players who merced and captains, not the entire team
No, CB have done enough
Yes, kick them.

The other players were aware that it wasn't allowed as well and chose to play anyway, so they all deserve the same punishment. Kick. Same goes for Team USA.
Such a lame cup .....
Why they had to take other nation merc...It's nations cup not continent cup.
Rules are rules, if You can't follow them, then step aside, You had wildcard also...why not to use it and play when You have players. Known merc is better than some random US guy....?

Oh another thing: Admins, if You are on the server then tell all the shit BEFORE the game not AFTER that You had this and that wrong. This is because EESTI got yellow card for bff havinng wrong nick and admins couldn't even notice i had wrong guid which i noticed later and fixed on cb page, but instead of giving cards just act ingame. Admins are not spectators to chat in front of hundreds ppl, they have to do things they are there for.
they lost vs anticlimax (:
fuck yes


rule violators
Although some of the guys from canada are kwl i think yes as to play for your country is should be a honour and using merc from a differnt country is a disgrace.. And why should they have tuck a merc from differnt country when i know for a fact canada have a second team with players in there good enough to play first

and only thing is if they allowed to break that rule i think one rule should be for everyone and made to stick to them rules if not admins not doing there jobs and in cb if a player from another clan merc when not registered with them they would be kicked why not same rule apply just coz are a national team?
if admin gets banned the team gets banned, im preety sure they all knew they were playing with a merc, kidna similar to gnajda case all of the team got banned not just gnajda
admin got banned??!!!
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What's the difference, they won't make it to the next round anyway ;o
lol, just let them play -_-
Done enough, it's just 2 games ffs :o
The rules are clear... both teams should be removed from the competition and all players which played in matches where merc was used should be banned for time period appropriate to this kind of violation.
I can't believe people actually spend so much time debating something so unimportant.
Same with 180 degree script :-).
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nice banning one of the nicer players in this competition
les deux se disent, con.
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let them play we got our win already ^^
probably the only way you could ever get a win anyways
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Learn your ET history mate ¬_¬
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If he is talking about the actiul line up he is right, I am not sure if we can beat anyone in our group, we will try ofc.

Anyway: an Amazing lineus from us http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?nid=182607&lid=2062 (from ee aswell :o)
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kick all non-eu teams
kick all non-west euro teams... =)
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this sounds illogical :o east eu > west eu
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Probably the reason why :).
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cb is serious buiz
FAIRPLAY PLZ ! DONT KICK
stone them to death!
yes since anim acted like an arrogant cock :D
BAN!, and ban the whole USA team also. Doesn't care they left the cup, they still didn't follow the rules
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BAN
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Why kick? Everybody uses merc :D (It's like hax? :o)
IMO they shouldn´t be kicked at all,
rulezzzzzzzz
BAN THE FUCKING MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice to ask us.. its a rule but why are you so evil?
let em play oO
all players from both teams should get expelled from this NC season, the smurfs and guid sharers 6month ban or smth.
Kick them. It's an insult to a very organized cup and league to set up rules every single team has to follow, and then they come and step over them with their big egos.
worst poll ever, period.
worst captain ever, period.
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heh, at least my team made it into nc... someone was just looking for some retaliation to the poor performance put on by malta
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ye even i could have gotten malta into nc if i got kot and snoop to merc for us, or we could have simply done a team overload aimbot rage style, but we don't care about winning but about playing for fun, malta only has Malta 6-8 players and we managed to play without mercing while NA an CA have 15 times that number, now don't tell me "bbbut eurofags take NC too seriously" what you and the end did is ridiculous and cannot be justified by some dumb excuse "we didn't want to forfeit the match" or "we atleast got Canada to win a match" Next time don't participate, there were teams such as turkey who could have played instead of you.

ye and lol at Malta retaliating, your own teammates blew your cover, hf finding out who, if malta cared so much we would have claimed the match to get cancelled since it wasn't played on a gv server :)
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First of all, you're saying if you would've gotten kot or snoop to merc for you in the qualifiers, both ca and usa used full american and canadian lineups respectively to qualify so your point there is invalid. Secondly, in malta you have 6-8 players, in Canada we have about 12-16 playing ET competitively, and about half of those are able to make match times that revolve around EUROPEAN schedules. Third of all, I didn't say it could be justified, you're taking those words out of the end's mouth, I am not the end. Also, you can't understand what the mentality of american ET is, we have a maximum of 12 teams in competition, mostly americans and most are bad, at least in the european scene you still have decent players. Smurfing is not a new thing to us, americans are used to it, this is the first time however where someone actually cared to catch us.
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so why did you compete in the NC if you knew you would have problems? As i said we had 6/8 players, we asked our players when they were avi to play and didn't have any problems, and if your players don't care enough to do this, don't apply or drop the team.
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Yea, because clearly I was going to know we were going to run into problems BEFORE we played. I didn't know one of our players would rather go to sleep 5 minutes before the match rather than play, but excuses aside, life is life and there ARE more important things than playing at 3 in the afternoon on a sunday. Now, if the times were more canadian-friendly such as night time for us, where no one works and everyone is around, it'd be much easier; however that is too much of a hassle for europeans and we are expected to conform to YOUR times, whereas teams like japan are catered to, for servers and for times - (they're playing saturday matches on AMERICAN servers). We're expected to play at european times and european servers, so what do you expect? If we wildcarded, we would've had to reschedule that match to another sunday, which is another chance that we wouldn't have 6 on, not to mention we'd be playing 2 matches on the same day... I know it's difficult to understand for a kid with no life who trolls the forums and cb website like they're his own room, but bear with me
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if you were any more mature than me you would atleast admit that what you have done was wrong.
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I never said I was more mature, and what I did was against your cb policies, but that doesn't make it "wrong" in my eyes, all we're trying to do is play competition against euros, like we've done in the past - usa couldn't have played that match if we didn't play so i stepped up, big deal, just making a mountain out of a molehill
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NC = NationsCup

E : rulez are rulez, get used to it. its everyday life or pet a dog!
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That's why there is something like a "wildcard", to use it if necessary...
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good thing there's only 1 per season and just because you can't field 6 one day doesn't mean it'll be better the next, fact is it's hard to find reliable players around european times
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just admit you have done something wrong or i will get you a guide dog...
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"ye and lol at retaliating, your own teammates blew your cover, hf finding out who, if malta cared so much we would have claimed the match to get cancelled since it wasn't played on a gv server :)"


that's cute, just reaffirming the point I was trying to make that euros will do anything to win, hungary lost so they had to point out we were using a smurf, you lost and you were willing to whine about the server, that's how it always is... anything to win right?
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there's a difference between what we could have done and what we did, i was just pointing the gv server thing out... we also played on a UK server so we had almost the same pings 150-200, and about slovenia, everyone knows what they did was so they'll win and pass through and it was a bad decision... but that doesn't mean because one team were willing to pass by forcing their opponents to play with bad pings mean all euros would have done that, for example, belgium vs japan match was played on a us or ua server and they both had over 200 ping.
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Here go your misleading facts again, you said you were willing to whine about the gv server, but didn't for whatever reason, probably because it wouldn't have mattered anyway. The slovenia vs chile match was unfair, correct and you are correct about the reasoning. The japan match however was clearly still unfair ping wise. Japan had 200ish pings and belgium had 100-125, so saying they had equal pings is fairly inaccurate. This is besides the point though, the point is that europeans love to have the advantage
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No, euros don't do "anything" to win. I know in NA there are hardly 20 people competitively playing ET so yes maybe it doesn't matter much if u use a merc. In Europe on Sunday alone there are 30 matches on ETTV and many more off-line so in such a big ET- scene rules have to be followed or everything would turn into a farce.
And if 1 country let some1 from another country play then other countries would do this too and where will this end?
That's why there is something like a "wildcard', to use it if u don't have 6 persons avi on that day.
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not wasting my time
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Lol, a poll? Really?
retarded. taking it way too serious, 3month ban was ridiculous, banning from playing the rest of the nc fair enough, kicking the teams out is just stupid
gayness, rly wanted to play vs other nc teams. but guess not :(
were you aware that one of your teammates was mercing? if so blame yourself, should have rescheduled or forfeited the match and you would have still played the others.
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So serious lol, at least we made in. SNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAP!
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This poll is so stupid.... Let us play I think the community likes to see Non-eu countrys playing and thats why we should stay .... It appears that nellie also hates NA for a reason I dont kno
It's a fairly balanced poll by my standards =)

Told the people what was what, left the rest to their good judgment - learn the history, had plenty involvement with the NA scene =) I'm fairly neutral on this, not involved in any camp.
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Nellie Yes, kick them

As I can see youre not...
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Heh, do I think using mercs from another nation in NC is worthy of a kick considering the rules CB laid out? Yes.

Have I any other involvement in this, Hungarian, dislike anim, play CB etc? Nope
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Yes, we usually wanna see retards playing cups it is so much fun!
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ET is Serious business
no need..
Like Canada could win anyways.
no need to ban canada i think
kick for some time :)
less time wasting on meaningless rubbish and more cheater banning please
DRAMAAA
Blank vote / show me the results: oh wait, I can see the votes without logging in, ooops 2 late.
How about kicking CB in the face for taking 3rdies into the competition? Great fun with 100ping and above. When ping difference can be measured in tenths of seconds, fps games become useless.

Oh, no need for 3rdies trying to justify their ping, it's shit.EOD.
Blame Canada LALALALALA
insta ban
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