When aMenti so famously clashed swords with Cdap – pi recently I witnessed which surprised and actually pleased me, when it became evident that aMenti had won, XyLoS disconnected quite some time before the match had actually finished. Be it frustration and a dislike of losing but clearly he is still human and I thought it was a nice sentiment of his character.
Swallowing the truth pill...
Now you may not be aware of this, but the reason you think you play most games is a lie, you do not play because it's fun, you play because you wish to win and be the best. And for the majority of the time, you stop not because the game bores you, it's because you;
- Have become dominant to the point where you have won everything there is to win and the game holds nothing of real benefit for you to continue playing (at least competitively).
- You come to realize that the time you have spent is fruitless and you have failed to win/achieve what you wanted to. Think of it as waking up and realizing you were so naive all this time.
In summary, there are winners and there are those who play not to win. Now this may sound ludicrous but bear with me, as it's a hard concept to accept (especially since most of you are scrubs) at first but I hope the examples I give prove this to some extent, although you can identify immediately with the type of people who say “its not about winning it's about taking part”.
The meat on the bones...
In most games, everyone starts out as a “scrub”, in ET this is slightly different due to the overwhelming similarities between RTCW and ET, some even label this as reasoning behind why new talents shouldn't emerge (another trait of the scrub?) because they didn't play RTCW. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by simply continuing to play the game, that one can become a top player. In reality, the “scrub” has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before he starts.
Come again please?
Now you may have been reading this and up until this point wondered what the hell I'm going on about especially given that I haven't been forthcoming about what a “scrub” actually is other than it's not someone who wins all that much. A scrub is a state of mind and generally a scrub can be identified by his “whine”, you will often hear him label a wide variety of tactics and situations “cheap” or especially in ET (because the theory works in all situations not just competitive gaming) whine about a weapon being lame (riflenade or panzerfaust in most instances, how ironic that these weapons often need the most amount of skill to master). If you have ever whined and said something along the lines of
“lol can you only back rage?”
“spam only, no skill”
“can only corner camp nothing more”
you are most likely a scrub, but the most worrying thing is, if you know how the enemy plays and what tactics will be used then surely you a poor player if you cannot counter them ? Or even more naive for not using them yourself ? The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning [playing boring games and spamming to perfection]. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing. You don't play to look good or for stats you play for the win and often means playing a boring game. A strong player will always attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, and attempting to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak.
The revolution...
Even scrubs can be high skilled! Going into a match knowing you do not have the skills needed to win, doesn't make you a scrub. You're accepting reason and common sense, but accepting that you will never challenge that player is an admission that your a scrub.
In the end, playing to win ends up accomplishing much more than just winning. Playing to win is how one improves. Continuous self-improvement is what all of this is really about, anyway. I submit that ultimate goal of the “playing to win” mindset is ironically not just to win…but to improve. So practice, improve, play with discipline, and play to win.
Next time you have the opportunity to play someone above yourself, don't think “well obviously I'm the underdog”, clear you head, breath easy and play the best game you can, you might just surprise yourself. No one is unbeatable, and winning and losing is not only decided in the server. The article's main ideas came from http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm of which i adapted. The article has nothing to do with cheating
"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it."
General Douglas MacArthur
Swallowing the truth pill...
Now you may not be aware of this, but the reason you think you play most games is a lie, you do not play because it's fun, you play because you wish to win and be the best. And for the majority of the time, you stop not because the game bores you, it's because you;
- Have become dominant to the point where you have won everything there is to win and the game holds nothing of real benefit for you to continue playing (at least competitively).
- You come to realize that the time you have spent is fruitless and you have failed to win/achieve what you wanted to. Think of it as waking up and realizing you were so naive all this time.
In summary, there are winners and there are those who play not to win. Now this may sound ludicrous but bear with me, as it's a hard concept to accept (especially since most of you are scrubs) at first but I hope the examples I give prove this to some extent, although you can identify immediately with the type of people who say “its not about winning it's about taking part”.
The meat on the bones...
In most games, everyone starts out as a “scrub”, in ET this is slightly different due to the overwhelming similarities between RTCW and ET, some even label this as reasoning behind why new talents shouldn't emerge (another trait of the scrub?) because they didn't play RTCW. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by simply continuing to play the game, that one can become a top player. In reality, the “scrub” has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before he starts.
Night[/b] ]Come again please?
Now you may have been reading this and up until this point wondered what the hell I'm going on about especially given that I haven't been forthcoming about what a “scrub” actually is other than it's not someone who wins all that much. A scrub is a state of mind and generally a scrub can be identified by his “whine”, you will often hear him label a wide variety of tactics and situations “cheap” or especially in ET (because the theory works in all situations not just competitive gaming) whine about a weapon being lame (riflenade or panzerfaust in most instances, how ironic that these weapons often need the most amount of skill to master). If you have ever whined and said something along the lines of
“lol can you only back rage?”
“spam only, no skill”
“can only corner camp nothing more”
you are most likely a scrub, but the most worrying thing is, if you know how the enemy plays and what tactics will be used then surely you a poor player if you cannot counter them ? Or even more naive for not using them yourself ? The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning [playing boring games and spamming to perfection]. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing. You don't play to look good or for stats you play for the win and often means playing a boring game. A strong player will always attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, and attempting to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak.
The revolution...
Even scrubs can be high skilled! Going into a match knowing you do not have the skills needed to win, doesn't make you a scrub. You're accepting reason and common sense, but accepting that you will never challenge that player is an admission that your a scrub.
In the end, playing to win ends up accomplishing much more than just winning. Playing to win is how one improves. Continuous self-improvement is what all of this is really about, anyway. I submit that ultimate goal of the “playing to win” mindset is ironically not just to win…but to improve. So practice, improve, play with discipline, and play to win.
Next time you have the opportunity to play someone above yourself, don't think “well obviously I'm the underdog”, clear you head, breath easy and play the best game you can, you might just surprise yourself. No one is unbeatable, and winning and losing is not only decided in the server. The article's main ideas came from http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm of which i adapted. The article has nothing to do with cheating
"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it."
General Douglas MacArthur
I must admit I whined a fucking lot when I played that game, the typical consensus in ET when you get beat is "fucking noob", "lotto" etc. It's not fun like that. CoD2 + cg_teamchatsonly 1 <3
YOU'RE
U are really writing about me in that post i see:>
and im not talking about the scrub...:D
everything else suits me perfectly=)
http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm
Defenetly worth the read to all the "camper", croucher, proner, spammer, "lame" rifle etc. haters. Maybe you will realize something :)
Including downloading a hack? LoL
On topic, it's more of a verbal diarrhea A.K.A. babbling than a real column, you're writing in a narrative style when you shouldn't be, the reader should be able to tell what your point is from reading the introduction, and I struggle to see what your point is even after reading the whole thing.
I'm reluctant to congratulate you for at least making an effort, however, I really don't think it's a good column, sorry.
He coppied most stuff from here - http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm so most of the stuff isnt even his opinion!
It's not bad, atleast more ET player will read it.
You, hacker, are the last person to judge anyone.
You should go pro in pong or smth :s
*or well, if I wasnt skilled I might try to get good at the same time, but I would still only play because its fun, thats what we all did before we got good at the game.
this one ? :<
And how many has won everything there is to win? 3 guys or something?
Still you wont find anyone playing this game without enjoying it, other then morons like Xionn :PP
xd
Aside from that, the whole thing is a very Machiavellian attitude. Do everything to win, rules of honour only hold you back, etc. Indeed, in any serious competition this is true to a significant degree, but there are normally some customs that you really shouldn't violate (like, in soccer, if the other team kicks the ball off for one of your injured players, you pass it back to them, rather than trying to score).
I didn't ended up reading the article with the feeling that it was wrote with the goal to justify any hacking in mind. If you feel that saying "The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning." includes hacking, then we definitely comes from 2 differents worlds, and I barely want to visit your.
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=column&mode=item&id=150
I know and understand your point, but I can't share it ... I cheated once in a yerman test at school, do I deserve all the hate of the world ? Will my words be taken as a defense for myself anywhere at anytime ? I don't think so, or at least it had never been the case at the moment. (or has it ? :P)
Still worth a read :)
like you've never cheated/abused anything in ANY game you've ever played?
anyways. on topic now.
i play the game because it is fun to see yourself improving over time. but it's a real downside when you see yourself 'degrading' which i've had the last month which will result in a negative look on the way you are playing and you will only start playing more aggressive. when you don't feel the urge that you have to play ET/another game simply just don't play because you will suck anyways. thats one thing that always keeps following :p
BURN HIM
off to iddqd again
gute cheater flage wie perfo gg von mir dazu
and aoe2!!!!
busted >((((
anyways, on topic now;
i always played this game because i loved playing with the people i play with, being 2 years with mepa i became good rL friends with them. In every clan i was in, i always played because i enjoyed playing with those people, some of my clans died because we stopped having fun with each other, so my key is just to enjoy my time on vent etc, if someone doesnt enjoy this there is no point in playing with that team :)
and as perfo said [fucking hacker] its nice to see yourself improve like i for one, right about a year ago when i was shitter then i am now, i always thought playing at a high level always meant aim,tactics and teamplay as i had no clue what "gamesense" meant but ofc now i know that its the key to anything! [yes i was a big noob before :(]
strange column without a point but gj anyways :P
I played that game when i was @ 4th or 5th grade @ elementary school and wasnt very good at it so the cars were teh pwn :D
you are making up some excuses because you are going to suck on the LAN... that's why you are saying this... with cheats you are the owner and without you are med- skill thats why you said this so you would have a reason why you sucked on the sHg Open LAN...
am I right?
JUST JOKING OFCOURSE
ik nodig je uit om me te speccen tijdens de pracs, maak dan nog eens lame conclusies over cheat neigingen want als ik zou cheaten zou ik wel oefenen zonder cheats voor een lan
vergeet niet dat ik altijd die gene was die de journals maakte om jou te defenden toen 90% van crossfire dacht dat jij cheate...
and in duke nukem 3d = dnstuff, dnkroy
and in doom = idkfa :<
and in et pubs :<
If Evan uses that article and tries to justify it to cheat it just shows how big a mongo he is.
No, he only added that to confuse us even more.
Perfo was faster than me :<
save your time.
#Quote: some dead guy
but yes, tere's no point in arguing with guys like evan.
pentel wrote:
omg, website of shg open??????????
cant find it anywhere :///////
"Perhaps you could try merely typing shgopen into google - surprisingly enough, the first result is the site. If that's too much effort, though, you could always just guess that the URL might be www.shgopen.com which isn't too obscure really, is it?"
BTW how goes the practising for shg ?
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ok i see you cant handle it, so ill help ya
i can find the website on my own.
i said i cant find it anywhere in your newspost.
thats very correct - writing newpost about something without giving a source (link) to it. admin of such organisation cant write newspost basing on the simplest of all rules. nice one
and the funniest thing is that he added the link after mypost. gg
if you cant work out what someone said after thinking twice, think for the third time then. (it applies also to you, hacker)
sorry i made you feel retarded again, nothing personal, besides that you are a cheater and still got enough guts to post here. if someone caught me cheating i would throw my computer through the window because i would feel embarassed.
but in the end i havent cheated in any online game, so i cant know how it is fellin like a cheater.
but its just you, continue making yourself a fool.
omg, website of shg open??????????
cant find it anywhere :///////
i would be more embarrassed of that tbfh
but anyways
continue making yourself a fool.
EDIT: oh and yes, you forgot the verb again =]
pentel wrote:
omg, website of shg open??????????
cant find it anywhere :///////
also, waiting for me to be offline and then posting stuff is rly at your level. gg
also i wont discuss about "lame excuse". i know better what i meant and tbh dont rly need to explain anything to cheater and poor englishman who cant rly speak his own language
ofc, why should we write correctly?
teh porbelm is taht eevyrnoe wlil udnertsnad tihs snetnece but its hraedr to raed, rgiht?
in both environments you can talk not correctly and ppl will still understand you.
but rules are to keep them, not to break them.
and retarded is the thing that the guy who was born in britain, lived whole life in britain and is completely healthy on mind cant speak proper english, while some guy who lived in million non-english countries can do it better :/
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/bigread/top100.shtml
And we both know that the only reason his books are on n1 is thanks to the movies. Without those, half of the people who voted on that book wouldn't even have heard of it.
But to come back upon my statement, read G.R.R. Martin, Steven Eriksson or Robert Jordan and then tell me Tolkien is still better than those guys. Hell, even Terry Brooks wrote his books better than Tolkien while his books are practically based upon LotR.
Edit: I've never read to The Hobbit due to the fact that I disliked LotR and The Silmarillion (I've only read the first 40 pages and then threw it away because it was so boring. And in all honesty, that is the only time I've ever threw away a book unfinished.)
"The Silmarillion (I've only read the first 40 pages and then threw it away because it was so boring. "
If you can manage to stand the 1/4 of the book, you really are in for a treat seriously its a great book apart from the start which is very slow to start up.
Yeah I've heard from Gemmell, but haven't read them coz he doesn't really write the kinda books I like to read. He writes more short novels, easy entertaining and simple minded (as I heard) while Jordan and the others write fat books, big series, where there is actually some thinking involved for the reader n stuff.
i say LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
his books wre known for ages and he was popular long time before the films.
but i dont deny your right to have your own opinnion, who you like or not, i wont discuss it though, its your business :-)
by popular i dont mean millions of those ppl who hear for the first time about something from the inet or television. im talking about real fans of tolkiens books, which were the big group of ppl all around the world. watching the film hasnt changed much for them. they still like it. and as i said, it is a very large group of readers.
best regards
ps: and i still can see only two editions of lotr, the same as i saw before the movie.
but thats perhaps because i live in poland, and in nl/be they make much more editions :)
The Hobbit may be better if you're five years old, but it's too much of a fairy tale for older kids.
Apparently Silmarillion wasn't good enough for you to remember the correct spelling. I never finished reading it btw, though I love LoTR.
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Personally I think you tried to pull up something which overwhelmes your past :] Sorry Mister, you failed.
And in addition, I'm playing the game since the release of the demo [by then you didnt evan know there is a game like ET], I've always played with my friends we never achieved a high-skilled level, but what kept us gaming all the time, was the fun we have shared together, that was/is/will be more motivation than a victory will ever be able to influence, because this basically implies that you still have sources of collective fun, evan if you just have lost a match.
a) it wasnt your main game
b) you were new to the game, so your enthusiam (even despite losing so much) was still there
"A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me
Hanging out the passenger side
Of his best-friend's ride
Trying to holler at me"
yet everyone still loves mize and fost, and other haxers.
one thing still remains: to overcome your scrubness is the hardest part in becoming better, that's why there aren't many good players :D
maybe it was also the reason for me to not become one of the biggest (netsettingwhine lolol). it's the volition where all the strenght comes from, the will for power - like nietzsche said from whom the author of sirlin obiously adapted from =P
edit: while scimming through the comments I see you cheated.. how do you dare to write such an article about gaming-tactics then? I mean, sirlin's arguments are based on a somewhat wholy balanced game...
havent you got some sort of feeling that you shouldnt?
promised to myself not to read, but couldnt resist interview with night!
im his fanboi nr 1 :)
ok im gonna read whole column :)
btw what does it mean scrub?
who ever said he is playing for fun lolz.
also, look at night, he won everything there was and still plays.
i fully demotivate myself when my team PWN opponent team. im plus plus plus motivated when we got raped. im completely demotivated when playing on ffa, so i only train there some shots, nades n stuff.
Overall I got the impression that you were trying to use the ideas to support your opinions rather than to show the real game/players mindset.
Fair enough, perhaps you see the game as a win at all costs, its only fun when you are winning type of thing but then thats your opinion and you are making statements as though they are facts set in stone.
LOTS of people still play their game of choice not because they are winning or because they want to get better but because they have a laugh playing with their clan mates, often playing the game as a side distraction to having a laugh on vent or TS.
It was a nice touch to include some questions with night to support your arguement but you should also have taken a look at the other end of the spectrum (or see how the other half lives). In these kind of things you need to be objective, whilst in this case there is an obvious slant on the whole article.
Overall d-. Perhaps you should revise the article since it has potential.
btw. Are you going to be at CPC 2 Sharky?
schizophrenic
at least rly much work
good job
I can't say I was ever on a decent level, but at least I didn't suck against low skillers and i owned on pubs and jaymod servers etc.
Now my exams are over after 2 months, where I didn't touch ET. I returned to the game but I suck more than the first day I started RTCW 6 years ago. My current team ain't the best neither, and I see myself messing up everything anyway. This makes me really demotivated to go on with ET. I've seen everything in the game, and I can't say I enjoy being owned every scrim I play. ET has lost the fun-factor for me. It only involves getting better at spawnkilling and raping now. Which isn't very easy with a fucked up aim and a shitty pc around 5 fps.
Is there really a point in playing a game that isn't fun? And if you suck on top of it all, what the fck??
The only thing that keeps me in the game is that I have friends connected to ET, and I know everything about the game (compared to other online players).
"Is there really a point in playing a game that isn't fun? And if you suck on top of it all, what the fck??"
If you didnt suck and you were actually good even if you didnt like the game, chances are you would still play it.
NAAAAT....
all about ze fun, and i hate ze winter :D
Imo it's just a mather of personal opinion, some people considder SMG frags face to face the only pure way of killing someone. While others "lame", some bugabuse, and some cheats. If you should take his word for it, he would be a scrub himself compared to the cheaters.
Its two ends of the same scale. And wanting it one way or the other shouldnt be looked down on, even though he represents the 0.1% who "knows better" than the rest.
Just stupid imo (O:
"ok"
would you also say that there is no "cheapness" in games with class differences etc. such as World of Warcraft, where some classes and races are significantly better than others in situation X, unlike in ET where everyone has the same possibilities as the opponent?
For example WoW's Warlock class is/was ridiculously powerful in 1on1 environments at level 60, does that involve any "cheapness" or are they also "playing to win" because they happened to pick the right class?
At level 60, a Warlock, if his talents were set properly, pretty much defeated any class in the game, no exceptions.
At level 70 Warlocks still seem extraordinarily powerful.
There isn't exactly any rock-papers-scissors-system in WoW, the developers themselves said something along the lines of "every class is mostly not balanced around comparison with other classes".
Maybe you should actually read what sirlin wrote, not just take the parts you like. ET is way less balanced then RTCW. Remember all the fullholds? Playing the game ABBA format kinda counters the inbalance found in ET.
WoW and balance ... WoW = Obsessive Compulisve Disorder. The first levels they flood your brains with dopamine as you level up. Then you have to work harder and harder to get your next levelup, but by the time it takes days to do a levelup you are already hooked 24/7. Using WoW and 'Playing to win' in the same sentence shows just how much of a tard you are. Even if you look at WoW pvp you will realize there is nothign competetive about the game, only people who play more and thus have better stats / gear. Skillwize the learning curve is as steep playing ... rock paper sissors. Even Mario Bross 1vs1 needs more skillz (great game btw :P)
I also want to congratulate Evan for raping one of the best gaming articles ever. If you even understood half of what he was saying, you would know that some things aren't accepted by communities: bugs that lockup the game, secret characters that are too strong, backplanting at oasis guns, triple stacks, etc
Cheating happened to be one of those things.
In summary, your collumn fails to bring anything new. All your ideas where either stolen from others, or you added content that really didnt have anythign to do with the original article you are supposedly writing about. You do succeed in bringing your own incoherent vision of 'playing to win', while you keep surprising me with bullshit as: "Next time you have the opportunity to play someone above yourself, don't think “well obviously I'm the underdog”, clear you head, breath easy and play the best game you can, you might just surprise yourself."
Impressive Evan. How long did you have to think to come up with such a brand new ideas?
No its not. Its an incoherent piece of crap, where you bring nothing new, you even added an interview that doesnt even touch the real subject.
"Next time you have the opportunity to play someone above yourself, don't think “well obviously I'm the underdog”, clear you head, breath easy and play the best game you can, you might just surprise yourself."
Oh, while we're on the topic. Why is this cheater allowed to post?
Although, if I didn't play it, and I wasn't going out or something, then I'd sit at my PC, I play it when I have nothing to do..
it's a shame that you even show up on this page...
And to give u an example about why the world isnt all build upon beliefs: it has been proven that the world is round and not flat, so u can be 1. smart and believe the ppl that actually studied for things like that (and can bring forward reasons why they believe their theory is true) or 2. be ignorant and believe ppl like the p0pe who tell u the world is flat and u can fall of the earth. This article is just the same thing as a plumber telling me i shouldn't play games cus it causes cancer, where he got that from i dno but lets believe him :S would be plain stupid imo. The theory put forward in the article might be right but u might wanna give us some proof why it should be correct. And also for the universe being infinite, scientists have good reasons to believe that it would be infinite and bring forward those reasons. U just drop a theory and start reasoning why it might be true without conducting any research on the subject.
And for all the people saying he wasnt caught using cheats in ET, they should read the line crossfire- A ..... community.
Btw all u do in this article is assuming things maybe u have never been 2 university or sumthing but the first thing they teach u there is 2 only conclude things on the base of well done research, give sum proov plz ' typical inet wisdom' in this column.
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I do wonder which university you went to, really if you fail to see the dfference between a academic paper and a column, especially given that i even cited the sources, this column was just to give it some more publicity.
btw based on what do u conclude my flame is mindless? And dont talk like u are allknowing and assume that my flame is mindless, u just fail terribly in convincing people without proofs :S
Q - One of the points that I raise in the article is that most gamers play to win and be successful rather than playing the game purely because its fun. As you say you have taken breaks before and always come back. Would it be different if you came back and weren't so dominant before, would you still have the desire to play and win even if you weren't as good as before ?
Being able to win money for having fun is just a bonus.
This column isn't anything revolutional, the other column from which evan received the inspiration to write this one isn't aswell. Sun Tzu's proffesional guide written around 450BC called " Art of war " states all of this and much, much more in a slighty different way, which can be interpret in almost every thing in todays modern world, even games like ET.
It's human nature to complain, everyone does it. When you get outplayed you look for excuses, even if you know the cause of it. Instead of dealing with the situation and improving most people will give up, quit, look for something more " suitable ", more lookalike to themselves, under the false excuse they don't have the motivation and time for it. Not seeing the whole perspective of life, or in this matter ET, is what causes their unbelief preventing them to play on the highest level.
Nice column evan, atleast you shared some knowlege amongst the idiotic ET community.
Nice column, evan :)
haha wow gb2/hacking faggot