First of all, I really don't want any stupid comments about my English. I am not in school anymore, hence neither speaking nor writing English texts frequently. Well, I've thought about whether I should write such a text or shouldn't ( as noone cares anyway ) and decided that it might at least make some think about the current situation.
ET actually is a game which guarantees lots of fun, as long as you simply don't care about what's going on in nowadays clanscene. Well, some might ask themselves who the hell I am and especially who the hell I am to write all these things you are going to read in this column. The correct answer to this quesion might just be „it doesn't matter“, I am just one of those who have been playing Enemy Territory since the demo's release – and therefore have noticed how and in which ways the community altered all over the time. Altered might still be the wrong word, let's just say, how the bad aspects got the upper hand.
First of all we got the famous „med+“ or even „high“ crossfire skill level. I have no problem to say that i started at nothing else than the „real“ low-level. I've actually played RTCW, but never competitively as my computer just sucked at that time. So after the demo's release many RTCW experienced players dominated the clan scene or at least had the best chances to be invited to good teams. Back at that time I decided to just play on public servers and decided to form a team with guys I knew from public servers and mainly guys I talked into trying to play ET too ( for example the ultracool Bruzl4h. Back at that time ET, at least for me, was a whole different experience. It was a rather new game, teams and players first had to establish themselves. As the whole game is about teamplay, teams happened to stick together for a longer time, at least the most squads' half-time period was not just some days. It took some time to increase one's own skill-level and more seemed to accept this.
What I am trying to say: Most people who decided to start playing ET competitively lately ( lately might again be the wrong word, as this state is far from being any „new“ to the community ), just don't want to take that time trying to get their own skill up. This splits the whole pot of new players in two groups: There are those who just seem to totally overrate themselves ( well those guys have ever existed so far but not in that quantity ). I'll talk about how these harm the Enemy Territory scene a bit later.
And there are of course those who just pick up a hack ( which unfortunately is very easy nowadays ) and mostly seem to merge with some fellow hackers to create some uberpwnzer team. Noone has ever heard of them, still they keep owning several cups. As long as there are no bullet-proof „busts“ which allow to link them to using cheats, there won't be any chance to get rid of them. Sad but true, but this is something noone can do anything about.
But there are other things we could do something about! Especially the busting of well known and highskilled players tore the whole community apart ( referring to opinions ). Just remind yourself of the „fusen case“. Almost everybody cheered at him, it seemed to be the first thing everyone agreed: WE HAVE TO GET RID OF CHEATERS. Everyone agreed that busted cheaters have to get globalbans asap. Well, but then there was the zeropoint / pro5 / whatever case: From then on the opinions about busted cheaters just happend to be very different. There was a huuuge party claiming that kerAn is a lan-proofed player and should not even be banned. Comparing lan-results to online-results there have always been teams who just seemed to play offline as good as online and of course those who just sucked at lan ( or at least played on a skill level which cannot be compared to their online level in any way ). Now I want to ask you whether anyone of you has ever thought about the following: Humanized Aimbots don't neccessarily need to be used by bad players! There might be players around who actually play pretty well and have no problems to live up to a bot's aim if they'd just have a good day. Some undetected bots could just give „good“ players the possibility to play aimwise perfectly steady online. That was the first possible case, still most likely the rather rare one. But now think about a player who uses an undetected wallhack online. Combined with good aim it would just make him an even more powerfull player. On LANs he'd probably still play „Ok“, showing off with his aim, though he actually uses hacks online.
A bad thing that is, but what could we do about it? We, or actually YOU, dear community, should first of all completely stop supporting cheaters. KerAn and shy_ have even been supported by influential persons in our community and JUST because of the lan-proof thingie.
Back at the time when fusen hacked the nC database everybody raged about cheaters, now they just seem to get more accepted from day to day. With bulldog clanbase finally got a good guy who tries to get his busts through. Some weeks ago clanbase was flamed because of a plain stupid anti-cheating policy. Nowadays clanbase is flamed because they are actually banning people ( just because some of them happen to be „known“ ). As long as this madness won't stop and as long as there are just plain stupid fucks like the whole pro 5 team around, who are willing to play with busted cheaters, the whole game will NEVER be clean. „No tolerance“ - that's the only way. Instead of a no tolerance attitude we are currently heading to a „we tolerate everything“ attitude, letting guys like Mbudget ( who actually claimed that he does not even code cheats – which just decreased his virtual cock's length for about the last possible inches ) are allowed to write content on crossfire and are allowed to join the crossfire irc channel.
Asking every non-cheating enemy territory player about what should happen to a cheater will most likely result in an answer like „ogm rolf ban them fckr!“. And if some of their fanboyed players get busted by some definite proof, they just happen to change their opinion.
So why is that? Actually I think this is just because of our kiddy community. Least guys are man enough to take one specific point of view.
And not only considering cheaters. From the one to the other day players just seem to change their opinions about players just because of getting the possibility to open up a new squad with them. Realiabilty is a word which does not exist in their heads.
I've always been one of those players who spend a lot of time with just one squad. I can take losses, I just stay with teams no matter if they got a bad time or are running superb. Unfortunately I seem to be one of the few guys who actually would do that. I've played in a huge number of teams, which just happened to be disbanded by the leader because of a loss, teams which just had to fold because players just thought about joining up with a team which they honoured with the words „sucky, bullshit, lowskilled“ just the day before, and so on.
A huge part of our community consists of players who just want to profit of the team they are in. They suck the essence of it, increase their reputation and leave it for the next better team they can get in order to climb up the „skill-ladder“ as fast as possible. Those who are loyal to their teams and take it a little more serious suffer from that, actually I am really wondering where I'd be nowadays if I would have just dropped my teams just like that in the past. No wonder that many of the loyal ones retired and left those behind who like to fuck up teams or just acted totally immature ( just remember the vib match when the players were first not even showing up, afterwards flaming everyone and then disconnected – and all that during a broad and shoutcasted match! ). This is why we ended up in a 2 weeks clan society controlled by kids.
Unfortunately I don't see these things changing in the future. ET will die sooner or later, maybe because of the „tolerate everything“ attitude or maybe because of a one day clanscene. My hope relies on ET: Quake Wars.
ET actually is a game which guarantees lots of fun, as long as you simply don't care about what's going on in nowadays clanscene. Well, some might ask themselves who the hell I am and especially who the hell I am to write all these things you are going to read in this column. The correct answer to this quesion might just be „it doesn't matter“, I am just one of those who have been playing Enemy Territory since the demo's release – and therefore have noticed how and in which ways the community altered all over the time. Altered might still be the wrong word, let's just say, how the bad aspects got the upper hand.
First of all we got the famous „med+“ or even „high“ crossfire skill level. I have no problem to say that i started at nothing else than the „real“ low-level. I've actually played RTCW, but never competitively as my computer just sucked at that time. So after the demo's release many RTCW experienced players dominated the clan scene or at least had the best chances to be invited to good teams. Back at that time I decided to just play on public servers and decided to form a team with guys I knew from public servers and mainly guys I talked into trying to play ET too ( for example the ultracool Bruzl4h. Back at that time ET, at least for me, was a whole different experience. It was a rather new game, teams and players first had to establish themselves. As the whole game is about teamplay, teams happened to stick together for a longer time, at least the most squads' half-time period was not just some days. It took some time to increase one's own skill-level and more seemed to accept this.
What I am trying to say: Most people who decided to start playing ET competitively lately ( lately might again be the wrong word, as this state is far from being any „new“ to the community ), just don't want to take that time trying to get their own skill up. This splits the whole pot of new players in two groups: There are those who just seem to totally overrate themselves ( well those guys have ever existed so far but not in that quantity ). I'll talk about how these harm the Enemy Territory scene a bit later.
And there are of course those who just pick up a hack ( which unfortunately is very easy nowadays ) and mostly seem to merge with some fellow hackers to create some uberpwnzer team. Noone has ever heard of them, still they keep owning several cups. As long as there are no bullet-proof „busts“ which allow to link them to using cheats, there won't be any chance to get rid of them. Sad but true, but this is something noone can do anything about.
But there are other things we could do something about! Especially the busting of well known and highskilled players tore the whole community apart ( referring to opinions ). Just remind yourself of the „fusen case“. Almost everybody cheered at him, it seemed to be the first thing everyone agreed: WE HAVE TO GET RID OF CHEATERS. Everyone agreed that busted cheaters have to get globalbans asap. Well, but then there was the zeropoint / pro5 / whatever case: From then on the opinions about busted cheaters just happend to be very different. There was a huuuge party claiming that kerAn is a lan-proofed player and should not even be banned. Comparing lan-results to online-results there have always been teams who just seemed to play offline as good as online and of course those who just sucked at lan ( or at least played on a skill level which cannot be compared to their online level in any way ). Now I want to ask you whether anyone of you has ever thought about the following: Humanized Aimbots don't neccessarily need to be used by bad players! There might be players around who actually play pretty well and have no problems to live up to a bot's aim if they'd just have a good day. Some undetected bots could just give „good“ players the possibility to play aimwise perfectly steady online. That was the first possible case, still most likely the rather rare one. But now think about a player who uses an undetected wallhack online. Combined with good aim it would just make him an even more powerfull player. On LANs he'd probably still play „Ok“, showing off with his aim, though he actually uses hacks online.
A bad thing that is, but what could we do about it? We, or actually YOU, dear community, should first of all completely stop supporting cheaters. KerAn and shy_ have even been supported by influential persons in our community and JUST because of the lan-proof thingie.
Back at the time when fusen hacked the nC database everybody raged about cheaters, now they just seem to get more accepted from day to day. With bulldog clanbase finally got a good guy who tries to get his busts through. Some weeks ago clanbase was flamed because of a plain stupid anti-cheating policy. Nowadays clanbase is flamed because they are actually banning people ( just because some of them happen to be „known“ ). As long as this madness won't stop and as long as there are just plain stupid fucks like the whole pro 5 team around, who are willing to play with busted cheaters, the whole game will NEVER be clean. „No tolerance“ - that's the only way. Instead of a no tolerance attitude we are currently heading to a „we tolerate everything“ attitude, letting guys like Mbudget ( who actually claimed that he does not even code cheats – which just decreased his virtual cock's length for about the last possible inches ) are allowed to write content on crossfire and are allowed to join the crossfire irc channel.
Asking every non-cheating enemy territory player about what should happen to a cheater will most likely result in an answer like „ogm rolf ban them fckr!“. And if some of their fanboyed players get busted by some definite proof, they just happen to change their opinion.
So why is that? Actually I think this is just because of our kiddy community. Least guys are man enough to take one specific point of view.
And not only considering cheaters. From the one to the other day players just seem to change their opinions about players just because of getting the possibility to open up a new squad with them. Realiabilty is a word which does not exist in their heads.
I've always been one of those players who spend a lot of time with just one squad. I can take losses, I just stay with teams no matter if they got a bad time or are running superb. Unfortunately I seem to be one of the few guys who actually would do that. I've played in a huge number of teams, which just happened to be disbanded by the leader because of a loss, teams which just had to fold because players just thought about joining up with a team which they honoured with the words „sucky, bullshit, lowskilled“ just the day before, and so on.
A huge part of our community consists of players who just want to profit of the team they are in. They suck the essence of it, increase their reputation and leave it for the next better team they can get in order to climb up the „skill-ladder“ as fast as possible. Those who are loyal to their teams and take it a little more serious suffer from that, actually I am really wondering where I'd be nowadays if I would have just dropped my teams just like that in the past. No wonder that many of the loyal ones retired and left those behind who like to fuck up teams or just acted totally immature ( just remember the vib match when the players were first not even showing up, afterwards flaming everyone and then disconnected – and all that during a broad and shoutcasted match! ). This is why we ended up in a 2 weeks clan society controlled by kids.
Unfortunately I don't see these things changing in the future. ET will die sooner or later, maybe because of the „tolerate everything“ attitude or maybe because of a one day clanscene. My hope relies on ET: Quake Wars.
Which influential people "supported" keran or shy ? Your other point about 2 week clans, or at least the type of player to blame for the "situation" just wasn't worth making.
http://www.noorgrin.de/etc/@_shy/IMGP0005.JPG
he has anfucking care if its ''a'' or ''an'':D:D: point! we never got busted, so much influence!
"I'm not interested in defending them, simply highlighting the difficulty of the decision ahead."
"There is the famous case in Clanbase of CounterStrike hero Natu who was playing for 4kings at the time. This man hacked in a ladder match of all things, but had attended more CPL's than most ppl ever will, he has proven to be one of the very best and yet he is banned because he hacked in a CB official. Right decision? I think so,"
I guess he does come across biased, although that isn't his intention.
If questioning whether they should be banned or not when they've even admitted that they broke a rule that results in a ban isn't clear support (intentional or not) then I don't know what is.
maybe someday when I'm extremely bored
I'm eager about ET:QW but I doubt it will replace ET
if you got a guy of type A in your team, you have to kick him, no matter what a nice person he might be.
Imo, wesbo had some balls when he announced that morrigu won't continue in EC after the rocky case, and everyone should follow his example
Anyway, I agree with Limbonic... fucking windflags... pointing whereever wind blows.
Tho I don't think ET will die so fast... but it will surely slow down a bit.
really nice columne
Some guy getting flamed for being "low+". Now no matter if it's the truth or not, that's really bad. It can end up in two directions; Either he cares and does something to climb up the "skill-ladder" as fast as possible, or he doesn't care, but picks up the habit of flaming other players(regardless of skill).
So how do you climb up the "skill-ladder" as fast as possible? http://netcoders.be, the solution to, and cause of this problem.
This is also killing the recruitment to the game. Imagine being 13, playing the game for the first time, you teamkill someone and you get your ass full of flame because you can't find the needle. How long will that kid keep playing the game? A week?
About cheaters, it's pretty tricky. I really really hate accusing players that aren't cheating. It sucks. However, if people don't get accused, how will we bust the cheaters? I mean, a lot of players i thought just were good @ e.g. efterlyst are now busted (menAce, DmasterX). So i don't know what to think.
And one more thing, regarding perfos bust. The fact that the busters(Zodiac and me) actually got flamed their ass off, and still do, is disturbing. Claiming that the busters are the ones to kill ET is just as far from the truth as possible. Because what's killing ET, is flaming.
But damn, i don't want ET to die! I love this game!
pls
or maybe he doesn't care AND doesn't pick up the habit of flaming other players(regardless of skill), just keeps on playin and doesn't give a f0ck
So let's take an example from real life. Some guy has stolen a car. He won't get to jail for all of his lifetime, and he will not be left out of the world, just because he has stolen a car. He gets his punishment and lives kind of normally again after that.
I think it's right to punish cheaters, but still, people are overreacting so much in this case. Let's still remember that the cheating doesn't make him be "stupid flaming kid" or something, read Mbudget's interwiew, it's very different than a stupid flaming kid.
And then, I don't think ET is gonna die because of this.
Other points I agree.
and your allegory might not work in this case: mbudget is still member of nC, so it could better be compared to a thief who has not learned anything from being punished and jailed and continues stealing cars after having been imprisoned
**edit** "but if we think like keran and shy, cheating at public, as I believe they didn't cheat at officials, would just be stupid to ban them cause of that." imo they still should be banned for good, because when they use hax on public they think no one can catch them, then they use it on bad days in a match, then they start using them always etc. + now you are kind of a supporting teh haxors :<
2nd edit: nice read, i agree. ;>
Yes very nice column very objectiv.
PS Hurensohn.
PPS Nice playing with two busted cheaters: qraigu and Allu.
keran shy (silentunterstrich) public haxx = not cool
inet kiddy
inet kiddy.
oh secondly: the column is far from being objective!
and i agree, as long as pro5 and others keep playing with busted cheaters the game will never be clean
Your english is great, just use "quotes" rather than „quotes“.
btw there r lots of guys cheating in EC and OC premier :) and with a lot i dont mean 5-10 :O) even more!
and i dont get what this example has to do with majority of teams/players
completely agree on the "no-tolerance against cheaters" part and the loyality and "2-weeks" mentality.
Especially young ppl don't want to wait for succes or results but rather take the easy way and find a new team.
well i wanted to write more but I forgot what and i'm hungry :<
TOTALLY AGREE
You wrote a nice column and i agree with your statements on the cheaters.
Its absolutely dumb to continue playing with ppl who tried out cheats and got busted with it.
CB made there rules clear that its not accepted to cheat and there will be consequences if you do. I never understood why you would want to try out cheats for ET anyway. You know that its gonna cause problems if you do decide to attend in competition level. Perfect example is p5.
But i dont think ET will die soon, just like tyyp sayd "will slow down a little".
Nice article Limbonic.
more whine plz
et is dead
cu @ et:qw
I do not agree.
But now things have changed, you can't even shoot 3hs anymore or you'll be called a cheater.
nice column
and butchji, how many times will people have to explain this to you? q used a cheat for a movie he wanted to make, i'd played with him for a long time on rtcw and trust me his aim is a far cry from an aimbot's aim! (<3)
2nd of all I know he doesn't cheat same as keran.
totally agree.
u dont have to "disable the journals", the only thing u'll have to do is to disable limbonic and all the flame will be gone
too little flame tbh
his e-penis grew more than 0.2 cm after reading all these positive comments, thats an increase of 200% of his former e-penis length
I totally agree.
Lets take the example of keran and _shy.
First i have to say i played with _shy some times in a kinda funteam. Well, he was very good like i expected and he knew how to play. So thats the point why i can say, and will ever say, that he is just skilled and didnt cheat in a offi cuz he dont need that.
These both guys played a long time in zP!/Pro 5. Probably it happend that the whole team become friends... Now imaging that keran and shy just were interested to test a hack because they want to know how it feels and well, maybe, they told the others that they tested the hax on pub.
Probably the others just asked "And how does it feel?". The time goes ahead and they get "busted" cuz of cheating on public.
Now try to imaging how you would act in this situation. Would you stay to your friend or would you leave them alone?
Lets take another example. A friend of yours stole a Cigarrette box or whatever from a Store. Would you go to the owner and tell him what your friend did or if he need to go to the jail you wouldnt visit him? I hope ya got what i want to say :)
I mean, iam not on the Cheaters side but i act like an human and humans dont always act like the rules or like others expect. Often we just act like we feel and how we like someone and as i can say i drive good with it :)
Just my 2 cents
*sry for my english :)*
BUT if someone gets busted ( on a solid proof ) he is most likely to get banned by clanbase admins nowadays. so actually there was no doubt that he would get banned sooner or later during the EC season.
the point is that there are rules to be abide by. especially talking about higher skill levels, it just made the whole EC to something ridiculous. perfo and evolve acted far more reasonable ( however, they actually had to as perfo simply got banned faster ).
in fact noone can really say whether someone uses cheats or not except the player himself. i know some really nice guys who unfortunately turned out to be cheaters. especially if they are using wallhack wisely they just get a real advantage without looking that suspicious.
oh btw texte is too long
well, ok :D
... how do u want to hear of someone if good teams don't take him cuz first question is... how often did u win EC or OC premier? so u have to play with guys, that are also unnamed and u create a team. and if u r succesfull they'll call u a cheater 4 sure and give stupid comments like: "from zero to hero"
thats the fact my friend!
i agree.
:)
(I didn't read the text, just evan's quote)
really well done m8
totally agree
(last paragraph)
"
Unfortunately I don't see these things changing in the future. ET will die sooner or later, maybe because of the „tolerate everything“ attitude or maybe because of a one day clanscene. My hope relies on ET: Quake Wars.
"
I got busted months ago but who cares?
This is just a freeware game.
Go buy real games.