As things stand today, you don't have to look very hard to find evidence of cheating in ET. From recent high profile bustings, right down to random highskill 3v3 teams, this xfire community is one which has had much to think about in the cheating department. Since RTCW's demise, ET has been the only real option for fans of strafejumping WW2 multiplayer fans, and the consensus has been very much one of 'grin and bear it'. But with ETQW only just around the corner, is it really a game to evolve id software's universe, or will it infact benefit over-proportionately from the frustration building inside ET?
There are already a few givens when it comes to Quake Wars. No, it's not ET2 or RTCW2. No, you can't download it freely. But whats so important about these two facts? Firstly, when RTCW became ET, much of the gameplay elements were carried over; with ETQW, this is not the case. Quake Wars is a far less natural progression from ET, than ET was from RTCW. Witness journals and comments on xfire stating dismay over the differences. This in turn has two distinct effects. Not only alienating some loyal ET players, it also represents a changed direction which will attract new and different types of player, the sort of player who could before be found in perhaps Battlefield or Tribes. Yet the goal when creating a game that carries the name of previous game(s) is to encourage players of the older game to travel across, and experience new varieties of their old universe. With Quake Wars' bold direction into the realm of vehicles and Strogg, the gap between it and ET only widens further, bad news for those who cant strafejump that sort of distance.
You might expect the ET contigent's support to wane slightly then, when it comes to moving to QW. I say ET contingent, because if you look at the open beta signups, all 30,000 keys were snapped up without delay. "It's just another Battlefield ripoff", say some, "It just isnt Enemy Territory", say others. Yet without RTCW2 (which carries no guarantee of staying true to old RTCW/ET foundations), Quake Wars is set to become the only alternative. It is not only an alternative gameplay option though, it is a clean slate in terms of cheating, but cheating with a difference. Forget your dedicated hardcore of cheaters, who use their guid and hardware spoofers to evade detection, most of your 14 year old aimbotting community wouldn't be so nearly prepared to use hacks on a game they paid for. ET really was asking for it being a free download, becoming what the Cayman Islands are to tax evasion for potential cheaters. You could download a hack, join any old server, hack away to your heart's content and slip away into anonymity.
Not so with Quake Wars. It'd be naive to suggest ETQW will be a _clean_ game, and everyone has seen images of hacks already made for the open beta. But yet again, that beta is a free download. Do you really think little Maciek from deepest Krakow will fork out money to pay for a game to cheat in, when a free alternative is available? Sure, we can go back to these hardcore few, but the point is most will lose the ambition to the point where they could be forced to re-buy the game.
It is this promise of greater security and assurance over the credibility of players which will ultimately spell the downfall for ET. You cannot continue with a game that players have lost of a lot, and continues to lose yet more confidence in, as CoD1 has found out. As mztik says, we're playing a game where "did he just nade me through a wall, felt like he knew where i was 24/7, or that aim is clearly unnatural" is the normal question to ask. That is where ET will ultimately lose out, and why the majority of the clean ET scene will transfer to ET Quake Wars, despite its glaringly different gameplay features.
There are already a few givens when it comes to Quake Wars. No, it's not ET2 or RTCW2. No, you can't download it freely. But whats so important about these two facts? Firstly, when RTCW became ET, much of the gameplay elements were carried over; with ETQW, this is not the case. Quake Wars is a far less natural progression from ET, than ET was from RTCW. Witness journals and comments on xfire stating dismay over the differences. This in turn has two distinct effects. Not only alienating some loyal ET players, it also represents a changed direction which will attract new and different types of player, the sort of player who could before be found in perhaps Battlefield or Tribes. Yet the goal when creating a game that carries the name of previous game(s) is to encourage players of the older game to travel across, and experience new varieties of their old universe. With Quake Wars' bold direction into the realm of vehicles and Strogg, the gap between it and ET only widens further, bad news for those who cant strafejump that sort of distance.
You might expect the ET contigent's support to wane slightly then, when it comes to moving to QW. I say ET contingent, because if you look at the open beta signups, all 30,000 keys were snapped up without delay. "It's just another Battlefield ripoff", say some, "It just isnt Enemy Territory", say others. Yet without RTCW2 (which carries no guarantee of staying true to old RTCW/ET foundations), Quake Wars is set to become the only alternative. It is not only an alternative gameplay option though, it is a clean slate in terms of cheating, but cheating with a difference. Forget your dedicated hardcore of cheaters, who use their guid and hardware spoofers to evade detection, most of your 14 year old aimbotting community wouldn't be so nearly prepared to use hacks on a game they paid for. ET really was asking for it being a free download, becoming what the Cayman Islands are to tax evasion for potential cheaters. You could download a hack, join any old server, hack away to your heart's content and slip away into anonymity.
Not so with Quake Wars. It'd be naive to suggest ETQW will be a _clean_ game, and everyone has seen images of hacks already made for the open beta. But yet again, that beta is a free download. Do you really think little Maciek from deepest Krakow will fork out money to pay for a game to cheat in, when a free alternative is available? Sure, we can go back to these hardcore few, but the point is most will lose the ambition to the point where they could be forced to re-buy the game.
It is this promise of greater security and assurance over the credibility of players which will ultimately spell the downfall for ET. You cannot continue with a game that players have lost of a lot, and continues to lose yet more confidence in, as CoD1 has found out. As mztik says, we're playing a game where "did he just nade me through a wall, felt like he knew where i was 24/7, or that aim is clearly unnatural" is the normal question to ask. That is where ET will ultimately lose out, and why the majority of the clean ET scene will transfer to ET Quake Wars, despite its glaringly different gameplay features.
apart from hentai, he just wants to be pro
The game is just too different from ET (essentially the engine is to blame, the game play is the "same".), and I can't see people adapting as well from RTCW-->ET.
he's not from krakow though :(
But for the moment, ET <3
it seems that there is many cheater, but never face one in pracc till 1 Month...
Really, for me the problem is not really cheater, but if you don't have good computer, you can't enjoy those nextgen game :<<<<<
This is NOT ET, you do NOT need 125 fps.
u should read some articles about how much fps normal ppl can notice, because the scala reaches much higher than that
try make the same on a CRT, I'm sure u will get head-ache kinda fast, not because of 40fps but because of 60 Hz...
And u should try once a CRT with high Hz to notice the real smoothness that u need for tracking perfectly in ET
as for lag...wait for antilag i guess:D
The movement of the players, the tracking, the jumping, it's all so much different compared to the good old Q3 engine.
That being said, any decent ET player owns the hell out of a BF2 player in 1on1, so keep playing ET for practice :)!
What i would considder the problem with ET is the dedicated cheaters, who actually pays for private cheats, not the random public cheater..
This might be because I dont play that much public, but still, if you're willing to pay for cheats, I see no reason why you shouldnt be willing to pay for a game.
So i belive that just as big part of the "high level"-cheaters will go over as of the clean players.
But for all the QWers, lets hope im wrong :o
As for the ET2 comment however, SplashDamage have already stated that as far as they're concerned ET:QW is ET2. Expect RTCW2 to be as different from RTCW1 as ET:QW is from ET.
Surely that's just a matter of opinion then ? I mean some ardent fans will argue that ET:QW is 90% ET whereas a skeptic would say it's more like 30%. Don't think I explained too well but nvm :P
Typically imagine the target audience of a console game and what makes a console game good. Its certainly not hitting head shots with your control pad since that level of control aint gonna happen. Its tank and heavy weapons etc and large effects which suck on fps when ported to pc but look good on a console
Of course as no details of gameplay are available for RTCW2 (apart from the fact it's being developed for XBox first) all we can do is speculate.
Splash Damage have never ever said that quake wars is ET2. In fact they always make a big thing about the fact they are completely separate games and the only similarity is that they both carry the enemy territory name.
Enemy Territory is in direct relation to the way the game is played, not how it relates to any previous games.
However, the point is a game developer can take the concept / storyline of a game and make a sequel to it that's nothing like it. ET:QW is both ET and Quake, and yet isn't, obviously, by most of the definitions that matter to us.
On that basis I suspect RTCW2 will feature a guy called Blakowisz (or whatever his name was) fighting "bad guys" doing something "supernatural", and that's as far as the relationship to RTCW1 will go. Speculation of course, but there's no need for RTCW2 to play anything even remotely like RTCW1 for the developers to justifiably call it RTCW2.
why not call it ET2: Quake Wars, for example
examples:
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (not GTA4)
rly
RTCW/ET > QW (LOLOLOLOL QUAKEWORLDL OLOOL OL ) in terms of gameplay
QW > ET in terms of less cheaters, thats will be fo sho
now i would say it's only thing that makes QW better than ET, let's wait and see what beta2/demo/final realease will bring
reason: vehicles and huge maps (to cross map on foot you need 2 mins...)
same reason i hate battlefield etc...
For starters you don't even need to travel across the whole map and secondly, it doesn't take anywhere near as long as you say it does.
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Seriously, people are just trying to find any excuse to not like Quake Wars.
We could go oustide and get a life ;)
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P.S.: Ok kiss IS within 5 km of you ;-)
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I find them kinda rarely although playing much when I'm active
( atm playing diablo2, not ET though :P )
btw nice one with that `Maciek from deepest Krakow` :D:D
honestly, fuck you - my name is Maciek
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1 - The game costs money
2 - To play online you MUST login to a user account
3 - No more " my brother" excuses as accounts are password protected
4 - If you are caught cheating, your entire game will be defunkt due to the account tied in with the cd-key being banned
5 - Better support due to constant funding from adverts
Games will never be cheat free, but if the community takes a stand against them early on and with the points listed above, i think ETQW will be the closest we've ever come to cheat free gaming.
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Got it from the journal of foonr :(
e: thought you meant from me :o)
Stop talking too mutch you're just nothing.
Va t'acheter de la maturité et apprend a jouer a un jeu dans ses règles.
I will help you I'm TEH HACKER (or NOT) for Mr uncultivated
T'a pas honte de mettre une tête aussi moche dans ton profile ? haaa excuse moi c'est toi :(
Pour ce qui est de la maturité (tu es belge on t'excusera nP) si j'orais été a ta place je n'orai meme pas poster a quelq'un qui me semble immature.
Prouve nous que tu n'es pas de mon niveau et ignore moi ! (si t pa trop con pour)
Désolé je n'ai pu te le dire a la et-fragland (bizarre ça) donc je te le dis maintenant.
Ca doit être frustrant pour toi d'être un gros loser qui doit utiliser des programmes pour arriver a quelque chose..
J'ai limite pitié pour toi, je dirai plutôt que je te plaind que te flamer sur tes images de gonzesse dans ton profil (que tu ne toucheras jamais).
Au fait qu'est-ce qu'il a mon visage ? Je ne te plais pas ?
Bah sois pas jaloux du haut de ta médiocrité si tu t'y mes sérieusement peut-être que tu arriveras a quelque chose.
Au fait ta 17 ans et tu t'appelais sesam sur RtCW ? Genre tu étais ocrana il y a 5-6 ans ? :O)))))
Choisi un peu mieux tes fake la prochaine fois, bonne soirée bidule.
First of all if i get the german nationality i can't be a french noob like u said (but who cares about tell me)
Second try to don't whine when u get owned in a 3o3 and don't fear the official ;(
Aussi je n'était pas a la fragland (surtout pas avec mon hax :( ) tu me confond surement avec un belge qui a presque mon nick et qui était a la fragland domage hein ;(
btw tu es pd ? tu n'aime pas les gonzesse de mon profil :D ? en attendant je suis pas moche (unlike toi ;()
quand ta pauvre mère ta fait elle a dut regarder le destin de liza vu ton intéligence.
Et finalement non je fake pas ceesam sur rtcw regarde un peu mieu yawn lowbies <3
Je te souhaite une bonne soirée mon gros !
"i know you as" non tu me connais pas
Euh Nirva c'est un belge qui habite a 1 km de chez moi et il a pas été a la etfragland, regarde ton profil
"Achievements:
» Nirv - sesam «
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•Game History•
2003 - 07 @ ET
2003 - 04 @ Warcraft3
2002 - 04 @ RTCW"
et pour info je te parle de sesam tu sais l'ocrana toi qui avait 11 ans a la sortie de RtCW et qui jouai avec ce nick.
Au fait tu t'enfonces, tu ne feras jamais rien sur un autre jeu avec ta brainless atthitude. gl irl sous nerdz.
a+ low+ (sous un bus) random
T'es super fiere de ce que tu fais "Julien" .
Mais tu ne te rapelles pas tes super clan "sk8 die die" ou "DK***" vraiment ?
Ta vie doit etre super chiante pour te faire passer pour un estonien hors que t'es un misérable gamin de 17 ans pourvue d'une mythomanie accerbé.
kthxbye.
2weeks until next hax will be released
GLLLLLLLLLLLLLl
ET is 3 or 4 years old, and still many players have played rtcw so add +3 years playing the same game. i love rtcw, it's way faster than w:et and imo requires a lot more skill to master. and i still play it.
et:qw on the other hand is a cool game, reminds me at this stage of w:et when it came out. lot's of "it sucks", "spammy", "huge maps" and stuff like that. same excuses that people are making up right now to badmouth et:qw.
but the fact is that the most important development in W:ET history is etpro. etpro IS w:et. go play some etmain to see what spam is. ffe's every 10 seconds with lvl4 of fops, mortar spamm, full revives, etc. etpro saved ET from an early demise.
et:qw is spammy sure on public servers, clan playing is cool tho, something that didn't happen with w:et at start. i remember those fullholds in fueldump with 3 fieldops spamming ffe's on the crates @ bridge. clans whined a lot back then, and you don't see that happen with et:qw, at least not to that amount anyways.
In every single mmorpg people are botting\using exploits knowing their 2-years-of-play-monthly-payed account would be banned if they will be busted.
Our all-knowing et community mostly said that maus and butchji were cheating, too. Talking about koto\kmt type, do you really think they would not buy a private undetectable bot for et:qw?