Well i spent another night in front of my computer, messing around with the great ET:QW engine. After having a great, and very useful discussion in vent tonight I decided to start to fully concentrate on ET:QW.
Yesterday we had another two ET Movie releases from pretty well known players. Both movies were done by webartsdesign and the names of the fraggers were promising as hell. So i clicked on the first, called aCoZz the movie. My first thought was: OMG very nice, i saw some of his demos while doing Zaigon and i knew that i will see great frags in a few minutes. BUT then I saw the filesize. 500 megs for a not even 10 minutes long movie oO well of course its the broadband age sure, but why does this movie still look like its been encoded in 10 minutes without even one quality test? This brings me right over to the next thing I'm really bored of.
Quality Tests, Oh yes we got like 100 of them in the last 2 months, everybody was "loling" how bad it is, or hurray'ing how freaking nice they do look like. But come on, why do the players, which DO deserve way better movies, wont get any of this "unknown" moviemakers, instead of taking a random guy who maybe did one little clip or something like that. What I want to say with that: I don't understand why these fraggers, with nice frags always try to get someone for his movie, who is really not capable enough for doing it. We got ruipperri doing beta movie, at least for the first 2 months, all we he finished was a 1 minute short editing part which didn't look too bad tbh. BUT what now? We get whine from pumu that ruiperri is not able to work on it. And ofc it ends like it always ends with these kinda projects: -Max- can you maybe, or hannes, maybe you got time. The exact same situation was with the zP! movie. One evening gifty wrote a pm to me that the guys who were doing the movie (those were ruipperi and EVA (maybe ag0n)) suddenly don't have time / motivation doing it. That was before the ruiperri / beta thing! So there is one question that i don't have an answer for. Why do fraggers and teams ask those guys again. And no! this is no pro uv column or something like it,its just something I never understood or will ever understand.
I remember exactly when this boom in moviemaking started. It was shortly after decimated got released to publicity. And yes, there were indeed very very nice movies. I'm talking about R3 trailer, RGB, decimated and movies like that. Event though decimated was boring in some parts, it still stood up the hype(NO NOT KAMZ) and got downloaded many 1000 times. R3, an award winning camtrace movie, RGB, well one of the greatest flicks I had the opportunity to watch. And guess what, all those movies were done in more than half a year. But what came after those nice movies? Looooong time nothing, at least in my opinion. Yes i should mention the fragarea trilogy but I personally don't like them. They just cant stand the ingame quality of the movies i mentioned before. Editing and 3D work like those movies were great and well done by quaky. But sad to see that he didn't spend too much time into the cfg part. Next movies are ofc the nonix movies. Well I always call them comic movies because they are over edited, but yet very enjoyable to watch. The latest good movie was Zaigon which is maybe the fastest and most downloaded Fragmovie in that short period of time (at least since I'm doing movies).
So what! We got Smireboule, Wolfshorst, Ultraviolet, nonix and quaky? Where the hell are the other moviemakers with their movies? I maybe should mention vaggi here, guess he's the only moviemaker who made people watch his movies wearing sunglasses, sad but true he never had success in finishing one decent movie since the beginning. How many movies did you make by now? 10? why don't you improve? Same with agon. Since ages he's asking holes into -Max- and myself, but more than quality tests and endless journals about RTCW weapons and models I wasn't able to see from him. Agon, instead of googling every cvar in ET, just try to start editing and focus on that. But the funny thing then is: After telling them the real opinion about their clips, or whenever you are not answering questions like: Give me your encode settings, why is Heroine / Zaigon cfg so nice and mine so shit. They don't even care about what you have done for them in the past. After joining uv and publishing first screens of Zaigon, i got like 100 qrys from agon and ruipp usw asking for cvar help. I was very patient those times, answered their questions. Nowadays I do have to ignore those ppl cause they are registering on myhannes.info with my name and the email address of ag0n. asking him what the hell he was thinking about, i just got the reply that he never did it. Bleh boring... Or having other people faking me on irc and asking other moviemakers really dumb questions like: how do i resize a movie :)) .... whine cut :( ....
I've heard and saw some samples from demise vs idle movie (was it called like that?), will we see a release on that movie? Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to those movies, so please keep me up to date.
And dear moviemaker: You don't have to finish a movie in like 2 weeks or 2 months <3
BUT ofc there is also a promising side in moviemaking:
Bitmap.se - doing nice little helper tools
Gaso - had some nice conversations / discussions with u!
Smireboule - camtrace and uv-moviemaker <3
Wolfshorst - RGB and uv-moviemaker <3
-Max- - ofc I love him!
-> i bet i forgot someone here!
So that was the stuff I'd always wanted to ask and say about the movies in ET. I hope i will get some serious information, feel free to whine, but keep an eye on the facts.
PS: everybody who i mentioned in that column feels that what i said is wrong, get over it, its my very own opinion, its based on facts and memories.
PPS: Dear ET Player, if you want a movie, be sure to ask the not that well known guys also.
Moviemakers: Quakewars moviemaking will be such a revolution!
click to enlarge
Have a nice day
Hannes
Major point of this journal! Dont do Test! Do movies!
Yesterday we had another two ET Movie releases from pretty well known players. Both movies were done by webartsdesign and the names of the fraggers were promising as hell. So i clicked on the first, called aCoZz the movie. My first thought was: OMG very nice, i saw some of his demos while doing Zaigon and i knew that i will see great frags in a few minutes. BUT then I saw the filesize. 500 megs for a not even 10 minutes long movie oO well of course its the broadband age sure, but why does this movie still look like its been encoded in 10 minutes without even one quality test? This brings me right over to the next thing I'm really bored of.
Quality Tests, Oh yes we got like 100 of them in the last 2 months, everybody was "loling" how bad it is, or hurray'ing how freaking nice they do look like. But come on, why do the players, which DO deserve way better movies, wont get any of this "unknown" moviemakers, instead of taking a random guy who maybe did one little clip or something like that. What I want to say with that: I don't understand why these fraggers, with nice frags always try to get someone for his movie, who is really not capable enough for doing it. We got ruipperri doing beta movie, at least for the first 2 months, all we he finished was a 1 minute short editing part which didn't look too bad tbh. BUT what now? We get whine from pumu that ruiperri is not able to work on it. And ofc it ends like it always ends with these kinda projects: -Max- can you maybe, or hannes, maybe you got time. The exact same situation was with the zP! movie. One evening gifty wrote a pm to me that the guys who were doing the movie (those were ruipperi and EVA (maybe ag0n)) suddenly don't have time / motivation doing it. That was before the ruiperri / beta thing! So there is one question that i don't have an answer for. Why do fraggers and teams ask those guys again. And no! this is no pro uv column or something like it,its just something I never understood or will ever understand.
I remember exactly when this boom in moviemaking started. It was shortly after decimated got released to publicity. And yes, there were indeed very very nice movies. I'm talking about R3 trailer, RGB, decimated and movies like that. Event though decimated was boring in some parts, it still stood up the hype(NO NOT KAMZ) and got downloaded many 1000 times. R3, an award winning camtrace movie, RGB, well one of the greatest flicks I had the opportunity to watch. And guess what, all those movies were done in more than half a year. But what came after those nice movies? Looooong time nothing, at least in my opinion. Yes i should mention the fragarea trilogy but I personally don't like them. They just cant stand the ingame quality of the movies i mentioned before. Editing and 3D work like those movies were great and well done by quaky. But sad to see that he didn't spend too much time into the cfg part. Next movies are ofc the nonix movies. Well I always call them comic movies because they are over edited, but yet very enjoyable to watch. The latest good movie was Zaigon which is maybe the fastest and most downloaded Fragmovie in that short period of time (at least since I'm doing movies).
So what! We got Smireboule, Wolfshorst, Ultraviolet, nonix and quaky? Where the hell are the other moviemakers with their movies? I maybe should mention vaggi here, guess he's the only moviemaker who made people watch his movies wearing sunglasses, sad but true he never had success in finishing one decent movie since the beginning. How many movies did you make by now? 10? why don't you improve? Same with agon. Since ages he's asking holes into -Max- and myself, but more than quality tests and endless journals about RTCW weapons and models I wasn't able to see from him. Agon, instead of googling every cvar in ET, just try to start editing and focus on that. But the funny thing then is: After telling them the real opinion about their clips, or whenever you are not answering questions like: Give me your encode settings, why is Heroine / Zaigon cfg so nice and mine so shit. They don't even care about what you have done for them in the past. After joining uv and publishing first screens of Zaigon, i got like 100 qrys from agon and ruipp usw asking for cvar help. I was very patient those times, answered their questions. Nowadays I do have to ignore those ppl cause they are registering on myhannes.info with my name and the email address of ag0n. asking him what the hell he was thinking about, i just got the reply that he never did it. Bleh boring... Or having other people faking me on irc and asking other moviemakers really dumb questions like: how do i resize a movie :)) .... whine cut :( ....
I've heard and saw some samples from demise vs idle movie (was it called like that?), will we see a release on that movie? Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to those movies, so please keep me up to date.
And dear moviemaker: You don't have to finish a movie in like 2 weeks or 2 months <3
BUT ofc there is also a promising side in moviemaking:
Bitmap.se - doing nice little helper tools
Gaso - had some nice conversations / discussions with u!
Smireboule - camtrace and uv-moviemaker <3
Wolfshorst - RGB and uv-moviemaker <3
-Max- - ofc I love him!
-> i bet i forgot someone here!
So that was the stuff I'd always wanted to ask and say about the movies in ET. I hope i will get some serious information, feel free to whine, but keep an eye on the facts.
PS: everybody who i mentioned in that column feels that what i said is wrong, get over it, its my very own opinion, its based on facts and memories.
PPS: Dear ET Player, if you want a movie, be sure to ask the not that well known guys also.
Moviemakers: Quakewars moviemaking will be such a revolution!
click to enlarge
Have a nice day
Hannes
Major point of this journal! Dont do Test! Do movies!
Any details on the "why" part?
rest would be against NDA
ps: Zaigon would be nice if it was 16:9, but it is 4:3, so it isn't that good.
qw will be great, trust me honey
im working on my 3rd movie together with clouver (maybe the best cod1 moviemaker) that has frags from both of us
and to another part ive had like 4 guys going to make a movie for me and everyone always bailing, ended up always frusrated and making them my self in a day or two :d
and let them help you with the editing plz :D
LET US ALL PRAISE UV-PRODUCTIONS!!!1111
that still keeps it as something special
thats what i wanted to say with that journal! We got so many moviemakers that are saying the best of themselfes (including me), but who shows us that it is like that. We got over and over quality tests, but when was the last very nice movie released except the ones ive posted above. Sure maybe ive missed some, but i dont think so.
Major point of this journal! Dont do Test! Do movies!
To test or not to test, that is the question. ;)
I think people should make tests, to verify that they've mastered the entire process. This way they won't finish 80% of the movie before noticing they've got the wrong aspect ratio or something. =P
I don't think they should make trailers though! There's nothing wrong with short movies, but calling it a trailer just means that even that is a failure if the full movie is never finished (which seems to happen a lot).
The only thing i see from those guys i mentioned is: Tests, "trailers", akting like they could have everything but are not worth even one frag, and yes this goes to vaggi again. I mean just check his profile. Its maybe the most retraded profile ive ever read (i actually did read it!)
Like those guys only asked him, but yea sry this is again "self praising" ill stop here.
Now the guys I mentioned there:
jeje (smireboule) - Maybe the most important guy in ET moviemaking since he is the guy who I have been the pleasure to work with while doin the moviemaker and camtrace stuff!
magarine: you dont know how much this guy did for ET and especially for me / uv. (Shadows in ET, Bloom, all the initial stuff and ideas came from him)
Gaso, just because you can actually discuss with him about stuff without having the feeling he will start the flame and retardism like some other did in this journal. OK I wasnt nice in this journal, but this is smth i really had to say.
You, the thing that makes you so "intresting" is that you rls your tools to publicity and try to help. Eventho ppl should focus on editing instead of using your tools <3
Sad to see you quit et movies :\ Zaigon & the german team movie ( with noorgrin in it for example, don't remember the name immediatly ) were really nice.
I only once tried to make a movie for a sertain anime lover and he didnt in the final have the demos or the intrest. since it's not only the moviemaker that needs to be active on the proces of making the movie.
Edit: What I mean is that they want someone else to do the hard work while getting to do the easy but creative stuff them self.
Though few facts are ture... but. lol.
you cant make the people to get the style YOU want, i think people should keep their own style, because it would be boring if they all had the same.
yea, strange that i am so "bad" (i dont say that i am uberpro) but still get so many dls, i wonder why.
YOU are acting like you were one of the best, but you are NOT one of the best, because you are just completely retarded, that's the reason i dont like you. its not about to make a perfect movie, its about to make the people like it.
maybe you're right in some points, but the way you speak here is just self-boosting and that's the sadest thing if someone has to be like that.
whatever you reply, i dont care
because your movies usually feature rather good players.
Thats all, get over it. There is nothing special about you except your spam and not that cool comments on crossfire. AND ofc your profile
now whos the arrogant guy. I dont have to list the movies I rejected in my profile.
think about it
I'm a firm believer in someone providing evidence for retardedness..but you're just insulting him. :-\
By the way, it's no*.
Ps. Why do you correct my grammar fault even though understood it :l
maybe yea, but strange to tell your own movie "one of the best". thats no arrogant you say? well, it is. i never claimed that i am good in any way and i never claimed that my movies are the best or perfect or whatever. but you do that.
and btw: 80% of all moviemakers hate you and i am really sure about that. maybe you know it, but i hope this gives you an idea that you should change to make yourself look better then seeing yourself in that crappy ego-abyss you are now in.
And u flame vaggi because he does movies?! geez :d
(I know what u mean, but u are just so arrogant)
Remove the glow from that qw screenshot if you want it to look good.
I can handle that, it really shows excactly what i said and wrote in the journal! Your hero as long as you do whatever they want, as soon as you go your own way, your a bitch.
yes, you do/did great stuff for the community
yes, you can criticize others but no need to offend these guys in public.
Not everybody is as talented as you are but that doesn't mean you have to look down on them :(
Helping ppl and after 2 or 3 months they are denying that you ever helped them is just so wrong.
Ofc im arrogant if I dont share my settings, or tell them to read doom9's forum for compression, but if you would be in my position. Would you still help them?
I'd be more than happy if there would be 5-10 great movies in a year instead of 5-10 trailers from 2-weeks-projects in a week. Who the fuck cares about check all those trailers to see all the same shit from same guys all over again. Maybe different font or different blur in some videos but that's it. Great job.
Clean your month when u talk about my name. Do u think that im stupid enough for register in your blog with your nick and my main email? it makes sense? U have my email in msn! Its obvious that u will notice thats its me. Obviously wasnt me!
12[08 @uv-hannes-` 12]13 [6s]ag0n` how stupid and dumb can u be?
12[08 @uv-hannes-` 12]13 New user registration on your blog MyHannes.info:
12[08 @uv-hannes-` 12]13 Username: hannes
12[08 @uv-hannes-` 12]13 E-mail: [email protected]
12[13 +[6s]ag0n` 12]11 ?
12[13 +[6s]ag0n` 12]11 respect
Could u explain me why i should be your fanboy? I have a good cfg, i have a nice image, cant understand why should i be fanboy of a guy with 24 years that overreact like a kid and is very arrogant! Yes u are! Read your topic till u notice how much arrogant / ego boy u are.
ps: dont take it was a flame. Im just taking some facts / opinions of all ppl
ps2: ashkan is not in webartdesign. Correct your self now.
Maybe this is what confused him. :-)
Maybe was it :<
funny how that phrase could be said to loads of people
And why should correct myself with this other guy who suddenly is not in webarts anymore? Cmon you rls movies with the webarts chan, so just stand to those movies.
I dont have you on msn. You are blocked like in irc.
Im gonna clean my teeth now, oh no, didnt say your name
Some of you are taking this way too personally, though. Especially you ag0n.
That is all I'll say for now.
Please go on. ;-)
thx
btw, do u have as much fun reading all the comment as i have?
Here's a little correction. Eva was making the zP movie, i wasnt. What I did was just hanging around and making some stuff like nametags/borders which needed photoshopping. I was myself making Team-Beta movie at that time, which i now restarded. About ag0n, he wasnt making the movie either(dno how you got him there).
IF there would've been zP-movie it would have looked like this
MADE BY: eva
with help of FrAgOn and Ruipperi (notice my name at last, it has a meaning)
umm
well... said it already up there.
and though I also said 1-2months ago about that cvar thing, it was joking or "joking" or so, but still i always wanted your encoding settings ;P
otherwise nice read eventho i got flamed big time there :F
anyway next time keep on facts or ask before saying such things to public, because that colum really made me look bad. And I did take it quite personally there. Atleast if you use -text somewhere make sure that youre not just making fun of others please. :(
and zaigon is overrated shit, dwarf warrior movie
LOLLO
like hannes said, you can ask also from unknown moviemakers.
I really liked ecnoub's fragmovie 2 by bounce-, all made by himself! also (adv :LOL) http://crossfire.nu/?x=movie&mode=item&id=69 is made by him. dunno much about MTM right now, but i think he is doing something bigger movie, hopefully it will be soon out.
i tried around 200 times , following the tutorials, but there is always "something" that doesnt lemme make the movie how i wish...
like shitty graphic after compression or high size... :|
I forgot 1 thing....Maybe not many peeps saw "rtcw 4 ever" http://www.own-age.com/vids/2881/mirrors
SOME guys made it with poor pc and shitty codecs, poor knowledge of moviemaking (they didnt have mods, camtracers x264 or bullshits).The movie is fucking GREEEEEEAT.Probably the best i have ever seen and It's like a hollywood movie..... and everyone should give a look and learn from those guys.
I wish i could be so creative and patient like them.
HANNES u should be more modest and know that u never quit to learn from others. Your journal sounds so ego to me.... watch this movie and be amazed.
ps:ur zaigon is not that great IMO, especially if compared to this movie.
I agree, I should have read this column twice but I thought that I just leave it like it is after the first readup. I wanted to say what I think about all this moviemaking stuff.
but you just said it
ps. don't worry moviewatchers, I'm working on mikkomovie
I'm too drunk to give my pov :D
as I replied to -Max- too, my bed
It has nothing bad in it, learn from mistakes, all the artists around the world have to practice daily to get into top notch when it comes to real action.
But how about the movie itself? In my opinion, I haven't seen many videos as good as the propson frontline and zro movie. Those both have HORRIBLE quality without any edit, probably done with windows moviemaker. But there isn't videos out there like those, where single guy takes down the whole team with smg, or 3 dsky guys with a knife.
Of course there is good videos out there with some more editing and that still have the content. Jafo row and Tiigeri movie for good example and they were really pleasure to watch. (Not to mention those Australian movies and fragarea for example)
I know you are making art, but couldn't it still be a FRAGmovie as well? I suggest some people around there who wants to do your own fragmovie, (me as well) to wait 'till you have enough material for it, do it without cool beginnings and 2min intros. Just a 5mins nonstop action like pistols -movie had. It doesn't take long to produce quality which doesn't make your eyes to tear blood, the movie will surely be nice to watch and it has everything one can ask from a fragmovie which is made to present ones skills.
This comment was aimed to people who have desire to publish own fragmovie but don't have enough time and knowledge to make picture "all 3d, shiny and twirl around".
I will edit this comment when I come back to home later this evening. I am in hurry and I am quite sure this lacks some logical points and will maybe insult someone.
ps. You really should keep eye on Gaso, that Finnish lad has eveything it needs to make something jaw dropping in ET movies.
Ja jos mul joskus on enemmä ku kahde miehe tappoi ni pitää lyhyt pätkä julkasta, kattoo sit onko se keskitasoo parempi ^^
mut toki voi tulla kyselee neuvoo jos/kun tarviit :o)
btw nice screenshot :)
I think the ET movie makers focus more on the effects and learning the programs that they wanna use to the fullest before rushing in to fraps and make a 10 minute movie in one day.
I also think we need more shearing like config's, effects and stuff so u can get more back (i know the pro scene its not that big so some things u wanna keep cuz u get nothing back) and not like u have to learn it the same way i did. it can be very basic like vegas effects cuz its always some one less experienced that can get some help from those tutorials and tips.
I haven't done any ET movie yet cuz i wanna learn the programs so i can make my movie more unique.
But when it all comes down it's the creatively that Mather's programs can u always learn to use and technical stuff can u always learn to master.
Fucking self promoter, like you would do everything perfectly.
unf unf
You seem like a very horrible person.
why bother do amazing quality with alot of effects and stuff :) pepole will still whine about it :p
Made my movie in 30 minutes :D
And this in 10 minutes ;p http://files.filefront.com/Momentszip/;8146671;;/fileinfo.html
i have allways thought that if there would be someone to make a perfect ET movie, it would centainly be [parodia]esso aka gaso.
The motion blur used in Zaigon was horrible.
The "outro" was nice though.
Edit: It's worth mentioning that out of the 13,000...10,000 were in the first day.
Sync and frags. - The frags in 4K: Revolution are apparently not too good - although I haven't seen it in a while. If you think the sync isn't good enough in Zaigon, maybe you're not looking hard enough. Realise the different types of sync there are though. Check the tutorial in Crossfire Tutorial section.
Professionalism - Well I haven't seen Matrix: Renaissance, but as that and Revolution are clan-movies and 4Kings were a professional group, with sponsors etc. then it's obviously going to make sure it's professional.
Just because it may not be as creative and as well edited as some of the movies you mention, doesn't necessarily take away from it's viewability in other communities. It HAS been viewed and enjoyed in other communities.
And maybe when you have the time rewatch 4 kings Revolution, you'll see what I mean directly.
Don't forget to see Matrix renaissance too is that one of the best cs movie.
And after replay zaigon to see all the differences[/u] between a major fragmovie and a random simple fragmovie.
After you are totaly free to like wath you want.
Yes, it's my point of view, and yours is your point of view. :S
You really just don't know me, if you think I don't watch a lot of movies...ET and non-ET. I have watch a LOT of non-ET movies, lots are better than ET movies, but that doesn't make ET movies unviewable in other communities. Noone is saying Zaigon is as good as those movies you mentioned, I'm only challenging your original point of view as being completely pointless. 'Make a major movie before you comment'. Besides the column is basically explicitly about ET movies.
It's one of my favourite movies. One of the biggest inspirations to me, but I've always read whine about the frag quality. Aside from that, it doesn't mean Zaigon is unviewable in other communities.
The comments I've read are good, so I don't doubt it's one of the best CS movies, since CS movies are generally horrible. I'd say the average CS movie is worse than the average ET movie. ET is way more watchable than Counter Strike.
Again, the column is actually about Enemy Territory movies.
The quality/editing certainly is good enough for it to be enjoyed by anyone (even if it doesn't reach the levels of top Q3 movies), and has very little to do with this movie not reaching a broader audience imho. :)
Your "major point" about creativity before quality seems lost in self-contradiction when you knock movies like "aCoZz the movie" and the "Fragarea" trilogy mainly because of quality related issues. And instead of offering much advice to the "impatient" but established movie-makers out there, you just advocate that people should start taking chances with unknown movie-makers. While I am all for giving those people a chance to prove their own worth with some quality material to allow for some (possibly) new approaches to ET movies, this just doesn't solve the problem of movie-makers failing to complete projects. Perhaps it might yield results in the short-term, but it will hardly make the movie-making scene thrive and prosper; instead of helping those people who have difficulty completing their projects, you just deem them permanently incapable.
I will not go into detail about your concerns about certain movie-makers, but calling out their names in this column hardly seems very profitable if you want to solve some of the problems that plague the scene. Not only have you obviously stirred the pot with this approach, you have probably also diminished the chances of the people in question actually accepting the criticism you have put forth.
What I think movie-makers are really in dire need of is improved "infrastructure", such as a dedicated, central website or a forum (and no, I don't think the forum here on Crossfire suffices, partly because it does not allow any sub-categories, and partly because it doesn't seem to support internal stickies without automatically displaying them on the front page at the same time). Create a medium for qualified and relevant discussions, furnish it with all the necessary technical information about quality, compression, encoding settings and so on (while you're at it, why not just release all the settings needed to make a movie with the same quality as Zaigon, for instance, to clear basic quality issues and allow for people to focus more on creative editing instead of having to spend a lot of time on achieving good quality?), and you'll have a stronger basis for making good movies. Kiss goodbye to irc channels and private messages, and get the discussion out in the open for anyone to participate in, and for anyone to be educated by.
Also, the fact that you do not want to share your settings perplexes me when you are advocating "Dont do Test! Do movies!". Sure, it is advantageous to understand the technical aspects, but it does not have to be an essential prerequisite for making a good movie unless you want it to be. Let the creative thinkers bring their ideas to reality without having to worry too much about fully understanding the technical details, and leave that to those who want to push the envelope of movie quality. The attitude that you have to understand how all the various programs and settings work before you can make a successful movie is no doubt one of the primary reasons why a lot of people fail to complete their projects and end up pumping out loads of quality tests and trailers.
Anyway, on the subject: I don't see quality tests -- or any kind of tests -- as a bad thing. When making a movie, one NEEDS to experiment with different methods. Finding a pipeline, which produces acceptable quality as fast as possible, while maintaining flexibility in editing should always be the ultimate goal. However, spending too much time on finding the optimal working methods is a sure way to end up with a bunch of unfinished projects.
Also, I think that people making fragmovies have a tendency to set their bar way too high with the length of a clip. Why do moviemakers aim for 10+ minute clips? Why not aim for 5 minutes, but make them count?
I work in a media production house doing video post-production, and let me tell you, when we get an order for a 10 minute CGI clip, it's a BIG fucking assignment. And we have several people availible for each project, most of whom are professionals in their respective fields. Compare this to a lonely moviemaker, who alone is the director, cinematographer, editor, post-production artist, music editor, project leader... That's a shitload of work for one guy.
To end with a random thought: I'd like to see more people thinking outside the box. What a fragmovie contains isn't written in stone -- inventing new stuff is what's fun! I'd recommend doing some research: analyze music videos, how they're built. When you see some cool ideas in movies, make a mental note: could something similar be done in my project? And watch the intros! Movies tend to have a big budgets for openings, but they also contain a lot of great ideas. Or what do you think of Catch Me If You Can intro, or Running Scared end credits?
Sky's the limit.
If this included me, you couldn't be more wrong but I'm not sure, so I don't know. There are too many people who don't want to accept the truth. The sad thing is, some people I've helped can't accept what I'm saying and therefore I fall out of favour and they generally deny I had any involvement in helping them. Makes it seem like a waste of time, no?
I agree completely now.
It's not greatly comparable with what we're doing though. Trained and experience crew working for money on a project as a team, compared to guys as young as 14, who are only doing it as a hobby and for fun. I mean, you're like 10 years older than a lot of people doing this. Were you in the same frame of mind all those years ago.
Sky isn't the limit for people with desktop PC's and limited hard drive capability without income to pay for upgrades.
Your points are valuable though, I guess.
its not all about 1000 fps long movies, like gaso said. u can go all-in with editing and the way you bring the frags.
My current project is 200fps and is over 400Gb for an 8 minute movie. Hard drive limitations is only one example. But since there's such a big deal lately about motion blur, with Gaso suggesting to capture as high as possible recently...I thought I'd mention it. :-)
Don't get me wrong, they're good points that Gaso is making, but it's just never going to happen with ET movies. I doubt they'll have the professional feel of that of a video production house.
Not that I'm against bigger teams, the conversation just got a bit off track there.
Good points otherwise.
Of course the current technology sets some limitations. Especially for younger people relying on someone else's income. With skill and knowledge one can, though, overcome most obstacles, or at least identify them before they become a threat to the project. Sadly, being able to recognize a grand scheme that might not work usually requires multiple failed attempts in similar tasks...
I've seen amazing stuff being done in extreme conditions with subpar hardware. Sky might not be the limit, but it's close enough! :)
promoting uv's movies as the best isnt a good idea either.
sure, decimated was nice, but zaigon was quite shit. Of course you might want to promote it since its your masterpiece, but the aspect ratio was fucked, the music choice was only good for mini sync which is a good thing, but without major & "hard" sync the movie seems dull. you also kinda ignored the fact that they are fragmovies, they should present the frags, not the config or quality @ max.
for me zaigon was just a movie among the others, better than them, but nothing special.
decimated on the other hand was nice, I enjoyed it. had great feeling on it and the frags were good. the storyline with endless amounts of flying around the map with cams wasnt nice though.
I dont really have a point in this text, I just think this column is a joke.
hannes, you do nice job for the community with your moviemod and tutorials, but seriously, get off the high horse before u fall.
p.s. edit scandemo to post the frags on different lines when running the demos and also make it to echo them to console.
fixing the spellin mistakes is a bonus aswell "found a <x> man frag" and the other text which I cant remember since im not at home and I cant check it, it had "then" though.
Ill add it to my fix list, but dont expect a patch soon.
Seriously keep in mind that you are just doing movies of a free computer game with pirated editing softwares.
And stop this arrogant writing "style" against #webartdesign.
With coloumns like this, you dont make you friends, believe me.
I'm sorry for all moviemakers who get flamed (Hannes would call it of course ,,critism,,)
sorry for my engrisch.
Quit the cheap shots please. :-)
Hf with quakewars hannes.
how are you doing btw?
Remember: if your project's gonna suck, youll be buying me a trink at enlarged 08 :>
Ask if you need help, or better dont ask since im an arrogant bitch :(
It took time, but finaly u realised a true fact
but i could need a little help. need 2 softboxes and 2 600W lamps and a hdtv cam with an objective that can create at open shutter a dof of 40 cm (guess an objective with a focal distance of 85mm- 135mm (some wideangel [16-34mm] would be nice too, though it isn't required that badly) + a good illumination would work out fine [though i only can talk about dslr atm, probably gonna buy one the next days])
If you can provide I'd be very grateful!
Hope i'll get my project finished until then ( i just have to start it, after all i could start recording the scenes already, although i'm pretty lazy besides work atm)
cu @ enlarged 08 then (don't know if i'm able to attend at enlarged 07)!! :D
conan be sure to send me an cfg test <3
yea thats why i wrote cu at 08, didnt see your seat yet @ LAN :/
perhaps i'll go to enlarged as visitor (last year i already felt like a visitor only playing the official rtcw and et games :D).
adieu
and at least he does release complete movies :p
This made me sad:
Learn to sync movie actions before critism, this is my hard opinion. : )
I guess the thing was that you use a LOT of effects. Some worked, some didn't but overall it was great. I preferred it to Second Nature by quaky, but I'm glad he improved upon W:SN with Fragarea 3.
:)
AND you were one of the movietesters in my second wing movie but you forgett to say I used "too much" effect. Maybe comments have change your opinion, who knows.
And back to topic: How many Et movies were nominated for award or win awards? Because Out-of-the-way was nominated to 2. And then out-of-the-way 2 placed 3rd on the moviecontest. But I guess i make just 'comic' movies.
Not that it matters, but there hasn't been a GGL Golden Llama's this year, although 141 movie got nominated for 5 at Planet Videos or something. Didn't win any though. :D
Got totally pwnt by that Doom III movie. :(
Aha.I agree with you, so why do you care/flame so much on other moviemakers/movies?!
Well played!
:|
And maybe some other unknown dude who rly took the moviemaking for real.
But saying uv brings me into it. Care to elaborate then? I never had anything personal with you, but it seems like since TWK Unmasks, you have issues with me.
Please elaborate. :-)
I'm not talking about a battle with you personally, just that if he wants to battle the comments, it's his battle.
"when a movie, that many people found more enjoyable than uv movies, suddenly becomes a pain in his ass, and so instead of commenting on the good sides of the movie, he writes a "this movie sux lolz" comment. and your comment wasnt very far from that either."
Huh? This movie was after aCoZz the movie...
If you want to take my comment like that, then that's sad and it makes me doubt you'll improve on it. My comment was written out as I watched the movie for the second time, and I paused it every time I needed to make a point.
You don't need me to tell you the cams and sync were good...but how does me telling you they are good help you improve what was wrong with it anyway?
In reality, I don't think you disagree with a lot of what I said about your movie.
"you ppl should really consider if you're creating movies because its fun, or because you want to be famous, and spit everyone in their faces."
Well from the number of movies I've turned down which offered money, I think it's safe to say this is fun only...so your accusation about fame here is pretty much unfounded.
Spit in everyones face? What are you on about here...really? :-\
i'm just leting you know what i, and many other ppl think about uv, i dont care how you feel about it.
as for your comment on my movie, its pure bullshit. a week after i finished my movie, i watched gq3 again. and oh noes! it has tons of unneccessary effects and transitions between songs, but its still the one of the best q3 fragmovies around. and it was made by the guy who thought you "point to point" analysing, and whining about every pixle that shouldnt be there. and guess what: i dont see you whining about it anywhere. so yeah i think that comment wasnt completly constructive.
This kind of behaviour really gets on my nerves because it's just an unfounded insult. :-\ I won't dwell on this nonsense any further.
"i'm just leting you know what i, and many other ppl think about uv, i dont care how you feel about it."
I don't mind if you think it, unless it's baseless. I don't think as many people as you think, think this about uv...although I can't say the same for how people feel about hannes. I do get a little annoyed when people base their opinion on uv from their opinion of hannes.
"as for your comment on my movie, its pure bullshit."
No it's not. It'd be nice to hear something further than it's pure bullshit about my comments, something which actually backs your choice of effects up, but since you're not going to respond it's wishful thinking on my part.
As for your opinion on GQ3 (haven't watched it in about 6 months btw), I'm not going to call your comment bullshit, and I might add that for his more recent movies/betas I've given plenty of point by point comments on IRC, but I don't blame you for assuming I'm all fanboy over fei. Castor Fiber is one of my favourites at the moment.
"whining about every pixle that shouldnt be there."
Sadly, you're just plain overreacting here.
You did it again! :-(