After reading a few forum posts and journals lately its clear that cheating is still seen as a problem for a lot of the ET community, but is there really anything we can do about it?
Lets be realistic after all, cheating isn't hard to do in any game - you just have to be able to google for an installer for your game and you're pretty much set, but why was it famously bad in CSS? Why is it a big problem in ET? - It's easy and risk free!
If you look at the amount of players of ET its plain that there is a massive amount of people who are outside the mainstream competition scene, casual players if you will - they also get annoyed by cheaters but when you can change server / call a referee it's not a huge problem..
In any game with a lot of players you're going to have cheaters, our problem is that with ET being free it's pretty much possible for anyone to try cheats and get away with it, but even if you are caught you don't stand to loose anything.
Some cheaters just use their hack to own lots of people for fun - usually public cheaters, they may not even bother with humanised aim or covering up use of ESP etc. Then there are those who want to use the cheat to play in matches on a good skill level, the people who take the time to set up the cheats to give them a nice skillboost but try to keep it to a level where they can get away with it, and it can be damn hard to catch them out if they have half a brain!
At some point in the last few years there was a noticeable amount of cheaters in the ET scene, maybe due to more people hacking in matches, maybe due to people getting clued up on hacks and becoming suspicious, but either way - this lead to our friendly inquisition, #cheatbusters.et
So now we have a group dedicating time to catching out the scum where they can get evidence to remove them from competition play, but.. Is there really any point?
Not that I'm trying to detract from the work the cheatbusters do, but once you have spent an hour getting the evidence together and presenting it to the community, how many of the busts lead to real bans?
Not one!
You simply can't ban anyone from online play in ET because it's easy to get a new guid (PB and ETPRO) and take up a new name, then only IP records are any use and many people have dynamic/shared addresses so this doesn't work in a large amount of cases, and anyway you have to prove it was the old cheater again first.
Quite simply in a free game with no reliable auth system - cheaters are free to come and go as they please.
SO, unless someone comes up with a system to ensure players identity which is reliable, its just a waste of our cheat busters own time for them to lead a witch hunt against people we can't prosecute properly, and what's more - busting all these players only goes to reduce the size of the competition scene as honest players loose faith in their eFriends and community!
Disclaimer, cheaters smell of fish
Lets be realistic after all, cheating isn't hard to do in any game - you just have to be able to google for an installer for your game and you're pretty much set, but why was it famously bad in CSS? Why is it a big problem in ET? - It's easy and risk free!
If you look at the amount of players of ET its plain that there is a massive amount of people who are outside the mainstream competition scene, casual players if you will - they also get annoyed by cheaters but when you can change server / call a referee it's not a huge problem..
In any game with a lot of players you're going to have cheaters, our problem is that with ET being free it's pretty much possible for anyone to try cheats and get away with it, but even if you are caught you don't stand to loose anything.
Some cheaters just use their hack to own lots of people for fun - usually public cheaters, they may not even bother with humanised aim or covering up use of ESP etc. Then there are those who want to use the cheat to play in matches on a good skill level, the people who take the time to set up the cheats to give them a nice skillboost but try to keep it to a level where they can get away with it, and it can be damn hard to catch them out if they have half a brain!
At some point in the last few years there was a noticeable amount of cheaters in the ET scene, maybe due to more people hacking in matches, maybe due to people getting clued up on hacks and becoming suspicious, but either way - this lead to our friendly inquisition, #cheatbusters.et
So now we have a group dedicating time to catching out the scum where they can get evidence to remove them from competition play, but.. Is there really any point?
Not that I'm trying to detract from the work the cheatbusters do, but once you have spent an hour getting the evidence together and presenting it to the community, how many of the busts lead to real bans?
Not one!
You simply can't ban anyone from online play in ET because it's easy to get a new guid (PB and ETPRO) and take up a new name, then only IP records are any use and many people have dynamic/shared addresses so this doesn't work in a large amount of cases, and anyway you have to prove it was the old cheater again first.
Quite simply in a free game with no reliable auth system - cheaters are free to come and go as they please.
SO, unless someone comes up with a system to ensure players identity which is reliable, its just a waste of our cheat busters own time for them to lead a witch hunt against people we can't prosecute properly, and what's more - busting all these players only goes to reduce the size of the competition scene as honest players loose faith in their eFriends and community!
Disclaimer, cheaters smell of fish
It will make the competition smaller but more reliable.Which should make it more fun. The number of players don't make a game nor the community but the quality of the players do. Not only in terms of skill.
and still
you can go to a lan with no cheats
and when you come back home you turn them on again
like eurocup ?
then what about the other ppl ?
they have to find another game
or just another league
If I was in the council, you would probably be allowed to play... however, it is a tough decision when a really old player returns.
are ppl with public yawn warning from like 50years ago
so plz
See, there are various reasons why attending events like CDC3 cost so much..
1. Rental of LAN center
2. You cant sleep at the event itself
(3. High travel costs for foreign attenders)
But CDC3 is a special case, most BYOC lans are much cheaper to attend, because..
1. You only rent desk / chair space
2. You can usually sleep at the event itself (for free)
3. There are various big lans in your own country
Attending netgamez would cost less than 100 euros in total for me.
We need free games with free lans and free transport to those lans :>>
Only way to ensure clean gaming is trough clan gaming and freezeout of cheaters from the communties - showing that cheating is unforgiveable.
Most recently a clan was created yesterday called juegii.
I dont know anyone who knows that someone is cheating in clanwars and still keeps playing with the cheater.
2 lazy to read sorry ;<
But i agree with you cuz i love you!!
The truth: It's just a list with 500 competive players on it, most of them have nothing to do with cheats but they are better than pulza so they have to be cheating. When someone of those 500 eventually gets 'busted' pulza pastes his great cheat list and tells how he knew it. So he is just guessing.
But it would be a lot worse if we didn't do anything.
and let CB ladders, cups and etcup and so on use that
Of course, this wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would help with some of them in conjunction with additional rules.
Maybe such a system could be combined with a serverstream and serversettings which could refuse access for unregistred players.
I've had the same PBguid for ages: http://www.yawn.be/findPlayer.yawn?d-1588-p=2&pbGuid=c17b4717&gamecode=ET
People should also take advantage of this system (like the Crossfire server) whereby you can only connect if you register.
Although it's not that hard to register a nickname on here, I guess it's 1 step closer to knowing who you're playing against.
You could also trace their IP via the server logs to see if it's anyone elses account :)
+ Crossfire should have a little flag next to busted players nicks or something in their profile (non editable) so people can see who's been busted already
you BUY the game and get 3 accounts for your serial. so one of your account gets busted the serial _can be banned_ from the master server --> need to buy a new game. No guid spoof avi, no hardware change -> new guid.
sure, there will be some workarounds but its at least better than ET.
Plus, hacks need to be detected to ban a player, guess thats one of the harder probs.
isnt it time to stop whining about it? nothing will be done anyway
just big words...
Only find scrims against people you know and you eliminate the majority of the issue.
The major thing for me is. I see people like alexL asking for high 3v3s and 6v6s quite often (often daily). Just about everyone knows he is a cheater yet people are playing against and with him. You have the possibly that the people who are playing with him are cheaters as well. But then when you refuse to play him, your denying three (or more) cheaters the opportunity to annoy and ruin your game/day. Seems simple. No matter how desperate you're, just don't play them.
For me, the issue has never been a technical one (although I agree with you, that the technical ease allows for the number of people to cheat). It's more about peoples attitude.
Disclaimer - This isn't targeted whine at alexL (he just seemed like a good example) and yeah I know the irony of me talking about this subject. So keep replies constructive.
and incase people haven't realised I often play under "l0l"
unlike IPWNYA_10HS who is on 1 .pl irc channel
ps: journals like this are starting to be boring.
they got no valid reason to do so except to flood yawn so some old bust get drowned under pages of spam.
dont let them play dont let them join ur clan if they do so. just that would make a huge difference.
and something like peeps suggested about checking pbguid instead of etproguid for cups could also be a good start. the point again would be to force players to keep the same etkey.
but with this we all agree that it s not helping some stupid to change team guid nick etc every 2weeks. here the problem is that most of u are stupid enough to recruit any unknown random guy. as soon as he pwns, you suddently get blind and accept anybody.
my very best exemple still is arrow, he joined a low fr team coming from nowhere, 3months later nobody complained about him playing in nation cup ...
when i asked wck why he took him in NC, suspicious as arrow was, he just said "well he wasn t busted" are u happy with this?
i talk about arrow cause he joined like this like 30teams in a year, so i bet most of u know him and played with him.
plz take ur head out of ur own ass and do ur job as an clean ETplayer, do not play with supicious ones.
if u all do this, i mean for real, the only option for cheaters to play wars will be to make some cheater's team. after a week that kind of team is famous and nobody goes play against them. end of the problem.
dont ask a shit software to do what u can.
:D
and here is some classified information: when arthur is in front of the french castle (wooden rabbit moment) the guard says "faites chier la vache" meaning "make the cow go poo"
i know how important this is for u all.
i wish u all a happy new year
oh and i liked the ET is history thing, qw will blahblahblah.
as convincing as the old Q3 is dead Q4 will be blahblahblah.
ehhh... and ye et community is mostly a cheat free community so...
How many of you talk and play with your cheater friends coz they are cool
And then whine when you get owned bay some random cheater...
Rofl we had ec teams that continued to play with there teamm8s who they know would get banned for cheating on pub and they didnt get punished at all for it...
soz for the bad engrish:o
QW has account system and if you get caught of cheating your account should be disabled and you need to buy new original cd to play again, that would be good system.
There should be new rules also: e.g Lifetime ban for cheating!
Whole attitude against cheating should change, people should take it more seriously! If you get caught of cheating you are immediately out of community.
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=news&mode=item&id=1081 + http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=news&mode=item&id=1071
and tell me why we are not working on this? I have had my PB GUID in crossfire profile since that started... So I think is worth a try in cups etc, what you think?
hf & gl
P.S : i dont gonna pay for ET its not worth it
its boring and it sucks. at least 30% of these ppl here are cheating...
the game is nice but the community suxxx...
make my day!
I saw a SouthPark episode of that once, they got rid of their homeless-problem by advertising that some other town were a much better place for the homeless..
Anyway if we find another game, much better suited for cheating, and advertise enough for it, we might have a saving solution :O!
open ur eyes: u will never get this "MF" away from our (or other) game (s). to many private bots are sold and to many players are "unskilled".
just close the discussion about cheating and hacking in ET - a never ending story...
2. Cheating ? y
3. Kill him ? y
np thats all.
hf & gl
P.S : i dont gonna pay for ET its not worth it