"What is this blasphemy!?" i hear you roar! Do not fear, for i feel your pain! The G7 team, renowned for international stardom in scenes like CSS, WC3, and even our beloved RTCW, made a bold move forming the foundations of an academy on 29th November 2007 - and where did such an impulsive, abitrary decision by the british giants lead the MGC to - glory or disaster?
"Do tell me more hentai!" i hear you roar! Do not fear, for i shall! Well, my friends, both glory and disaster are at hand. The international team, lead by beloved nkm has been showing a steady uprise in the scene, topping other adversaries such as pelit, Kompaniet (now Epsilon) & Speed-Link, coming second only to Dignitas. Coming second in ClanBase Opencup and on their way to Enemy Down X-League LAN finals, one can only say that the team is doing pretty damn well! After some great performances in ESL's grand, grand tournament one would predict the gaming royalty were destined for glory! Though it seems the team did not achieve glory, but rather disaster!
"Disaster you say? What divine power could bring calamity upon gaming royalty?!" i hear you roar! Do not fear, for i shall divulge! ESL today announced the removal of Four Kings from the league bringing about gargantuan controversy. Well, as the quote from ESL's administration shows, the team was removed for a collection of 10 minor penalty points. As i'm sure you're just dying to know, here are the list of reasons why the team was removed:
15.02.08 Minor Penalty (2.9.2 - Nationality)
10.02.08 Minor Penalty (2.16 - statement too late)
22.12.07 Minor Penalty (2.16 - missing statement) [x3]
11.12.07 Minor Penalty Missing screenshot
11.12.07 Minor Penalty (2.10.2 - missing player photos)
11.12.07 Minor Penalty (2.9.3 - missing Premium accounts) [x2]
"My oh my! What did Four Kings have to say about this? Such treachery is despicable!" i hear you roar! Do not fear, for nkm will tell the tale!
So with 4K receiving penalty points for doing what an admin has told them, bias between teams, and a byzantine ruleset from the crack of mordor, what will EMS do next?
I expect the EMS final will be SpeedLink vs SpeedLink. And I wish them good luck.
EMS for ET is without premium accounts...
Most ET teams are able to act according to rules and proved that in the ESL IPS (similar to EMS, just other sponsor), just because you play in 4K doesnt means your untouchable and can do what you want, instead of wasting time writing a column, waste your time writing a statement in time as written in the rules you... And your management should know what premium means with having played Extreme Masters for WC3 or WC3L...
"just because you play in 4K doesnt means your untouchable and can do what you want"
- when have we ever claimed that we're untouchable?
- when have we ever done what we wish?
- i'm not in four kings any more
- i'm a crossfire admin, i'm supposed to be writing columns about such news
- what right do you have to be making such comments about 4kings? you're clearly showing bias with no justification by even saying what you just did - i'm sure ESL is glad to have admins like you that show bias in such a vigorous manner!
What was my reply about?
The content of your comment
Who is untouchable?
Speaking as "We" in the first few points but dropping your 4k tag in the last is just as retarded as your comment about the ET EMS. I do not flame your column I flame these few words because they are without any valid background. And you, as mr.newsposter should know what you are talking about or commenting.
I used the term 'we' because you referred to me as part of the team, I haven't played a single match with the team since the OC finals and will likely not unless they need me for whatever reason. A second reason is that most people still consider me part of 4K because my departure was not made official and won't be until the tournaments i did not finish are over, so in some senses i am still part of the team. Make of that what you wish.
How can you say you're referring to ET yet bring 4K into the equation who have no relation to ET whatsoever?
Your point about me being a newsposter totally lost me.
et ips went good and without 8+ pps for the teams acting to the rules with forcing statements, matchtimes and dates...
You say the opposite here and just dont have any point in doing that, probably as me bringing 4k into an et debate. But hey, seems like you not even know that the ET EMS is without premium accounts - but yeah, brining up such a comment doesn't needs background, I agree.
you really didn't get my point did you? my point was that the post was written objectively and without usage of the word "we". he only started to speak in terms of "we" after you pointed at him supposedly being part of the 4K squad
right, with him using the 4k tag in irc and at the team profile, columns always allow one point of view, he didn't do much to point more of them to prove his independence, but hey - you dont get my point either complaining about his comment on the et ems, do you?
i'm not anti-esl, but i do think this penalty system is retarded. and rly, you were the one going on about ET in relation to this comment rather than actually commenting on the content :<
nope, i just dont get the comment by hentai regarding the ET ems, thats what i complain all about above. Though, the PP system runs well in the ESL Extreme Masters (CS), WC3L, ESL EPS (Ger, It, Dk and so on) and especially the ESL IPS for ET, there is no point linking from an issue in a total different game to ET, it's like saying CB is bullshit after you just took a look at there CS section (Nations cup for now)... though it might look retarded reading this from me ;D
I think a usual etqw player is fine with cb, now someone starts talking about the issues in cs and wants to get him on his side, will he follow and end up with "yes cb is shit" in the end?
no, i read the penalty point log, was enough and reading this comment made a reply to that to prevent teams from signing up at the ET EMS for nonsense like that.
I would like to point out how we got 2 of those PP's for statements. One of them was for a match that was against a team that had folded (EYEBALLERS) so no statement was written. Also if you click on a link to that match from our PP log, according to ESL it dosn't even exist.
Now the rule for ESL says you have to do a statement 24 hours in advance. Now according to ESL it wasn't posted in time, but neither was speedlinks. But only we get a penalty point for it?
same has been for the ET IPS, though every team did the statement in our given time (I think it 24h before the match), statements are useful for coverage and forcing teams to make them isnt bad either.
"2.9.3 Premium account
Each participant of the ESL Major Series must be a premium member starting with the ESL Major
Series main round. Information regarding the Electronic Sports Leagues premium account is
available at the following URL: http://www.esl.eu/eu/premiuminfo/
If a member of a team should have no premium account, the team will receive one minor penalty
per playday until this is resolved. However a maximum of two (2) minor penalties can be given to a
team, even if several team members miss premium accounts at the same time."
And the players in the team who were NOT participating didn't want to buy prem. accounts, obviously. But then admins seemed to assume they were, so gave us PP's for players not participating.
So, to stop this happening again we asked an admin what to do, he told us to move them to inactive. Which is what we did. Then guess what, we were giving penalty points because you're not allowed to have inactive players on your roster for EMS.
So then we went to kick them, only to find out you can't kick players from your own team because the roster is 'locked'. So that means contacting an admin again to get them removed.
I can only guess it is a joke, since right now I'm just laughing about the whole thing.
tbh if you're going to write like this there should be some this is madness or this is sparta reference, its just good literature!!!
Regardless I second the words of Pokemans above but at the same time i unfortunately second FlyingDJ's sentiments also (even if he does work for ESL), these are their rules if you enter you gotta abide by them, its a point i repeat to many people in my own comp's.
However and this is something I'm sure some fucker will quote against me in future;
There are rules and then there are rules...Interpretation of rules becomes subjective when you reach the finals. The legitimacy of the whole tournament has just been blown away because the rules are being read in black and white.
If Idle come up to me at the final of CDC and say i need 5 minutes for a piss, just after taking 5 minutes for a cigarette, Idle get those five minutes because its the final and im not gonna throw them (or anyone) out in the final. Just like if 4kings have not uploaded a player photo i would turn a blind eye and let them play the final regardless.
No offence to the admin involved in this because I only can react to what I've read here, but you're making a moronic decision unfitting for a tournament with 2000Euro to be won.
well that was ESLs fuckup really for trying to force a match for your Tv when the game before between team pelit and Speedlink was allowed to be resheduled 3 times...
so why should a team get penalties so far into a prize tournament that myself and my players have paid to play in is beyond me.
which admin suddenly convieniently remembered about the inclusion of PBguids screens in the Lower Bracket finals of a tournament of this stature. why was this not a remit ermm... when the tournament began 4-5 months ago.
Well, i think the penalty system of ESL is extremely flawed.
To start off, the entire ESL site is very fuzzy, and not logical at all to navigate, it usually takes quite some time to find what you are looking after.
Then when we joined the tournament, there was no mention that you had to be premium member to continue in the group stages. (bad planning/information by ESL) (alot of teams didnt know this)
Before recieveing a penalty point we were never notified, we would just randomly log on, and see "(2.10.2 - missing player photo)" and "(2.9.3 - missing Premium account)".
Then "(2.16. - missing statement)", ofcourse you learn after your mistakes, but you have no warning before reciving penalty points.
The best part also, is when we had to W/O a match because i was in hospital to perform surgery, on that match we got 3 penalty points for useing wild card...
now that is not all, we also got a "Missing screenshot " on the W/O match we never even played!
Seriously these rules does not make sense in any way for me atleast, for me rules are there to improve for the players and make the tournament easier for them.
Example:
(provide PBGUID if oposing team think you play with other people than lineup)
Now, you don't pay "alot" for the so called "service" in ESL, but you don't expect this kind of treatment.
Oh and kicking one of the best teams in ET:QW for some minor-nonsense rules in the final stages of a tournament is just amazing logic and manners. (reminds me of the shit CPL pulled with some of their players they owed money)
This is sadly what it comes down to. It's a good, active, well run German league with some bolted on EU tournament capactiy which is badly run, badly admined and missing any sort of website design or support.
The league isn't worthy of the kind of status it has, it needs to learn some lessons from other competitions and frankly ditch all the pointless bullshit.
ye, there are many other competitions the esl can learn from ;D maybe someone just did - but nvm, just check cb cs nations cup and you will figure out that many rules overpower teams - no mather what people are exactly talking about here.
Quite bad you bring your personal problem down to the nation it belongs to.
I'm not saying it's down to being run by Germans, I'm part German so wouldn't make much sense to make a racial slur in that sense. My point was that the league's main target audience has normally been the German side of the site and that community, as such the international side of things has been mis-managed for quite some time without anybody at the top of the organisation seeming to care. They don't manage the admins or the quality of them, from one tournament to the next across the site the standards set and how closely obeyed the rules are varies wildly.
I just can't understand why you wouldn't write a statement. I mean, when you do have the risk of getting pp's because of inactive ppl on the playerlist without a guid, or photo or premium..then I would take care of those things which are certain to avoid pp's. ESL wants statements because this is a "professional" tournament. There ís money involved, so they expect you to show some professionality by posting statements, having (proper) pictures, provide demo's and screenshots. Even though the QW community might not be as serious as other big games in the ESL, but then again, every EMS tournament has the same rules and standards, and the admins just do what they have to do according to the rules. If they do not, ESL will look for other admins, because they don't do what they are told.
But I do agree on the PP's given for the players who were on the roster and didn't play.
imo they should take themselves a team-manager that handles the rules/statement/screenshots stuff, it is kinda embarrassing seeing a professional team like 4Kings getting so much PPs for such minor things...
but that's just my 2cents...
on the other hand it's one big joke they get PPs for not playing with 60% UK players when they qualified over the EU-qualifier. (if this is true)
So you're the ESL Iraqi Information minister! Many replies, saying the same thing in different ways only getting a little more angry in each reply as it is disguarded by the west.
The Americans are not in Iraq, This ESL ruling was a good one and there is nothing funny about not having your picture uploaded!
sry for any typos caus i am writing from a touch Keyboard.
I think. Should Not blame The esl, you should only blame The admins(s) of the current etqw:ems. U knew the rules before joining the ems. U had to accept the rules before joining the ems.
The only Point where i totaly agree is that some Teams are stalkered and some Teams Are left out of the Controlling of Matches etc.
BUT if u forgot to upload a screenshot and get PPs u are able to upload Them and contact an Admin to rewatch the Match. (normaly)
To wait for a full house in PPs and then cry a river about getting kicked out of a payed tournament with huge price Money is a joke.
In this case its Like in the good old school times, some get caught some not. But it wasnt the fault of the school it was the fault of the teacher!
To prevent flammes,
I was admin of the esl in rtcw and in et for a long time and would NEVER kick a finalist of any tournament because of PPs. I would have queryd the Team long before that dead End and let them decrease there PPs by upliading screens or something else.
The esl Admins werent Realy clever in the past in German Cups eather. They hasnt give out PPs for 2month and then Blasted away a Lot of teams in a overnight PP give away party and destroyed the german ladder and the believe of lots of german teams to participate in eas. So More to come with this Admins still destroying esl!!!
I saw the CS Female EMS final as well. But guess what else I saw. None of the players of the winning team had premium accounts or full names shown on ESL, as the EMS rules state. However one thing I don't see, is the team with a single penalty point. Funny that.
I can only presume that in the ESL office there is a motivational poster on the wall that says:-
I think people need to be more easyer with such kinda rulez.
The only thing you don't need to be easy on is with cheaters. But being so strickt with the rulez when 4k did there best to get in the final to face dignitas again and then just drop them for silly rulez. of phote things and a wildcard against 4k because a player was in hospital.
I mean ffs hospital is something serious and in my opinion you can't give a team a wildcard for that. and to come with the excuse that manney people will bitch about it fock the people that will bitch about that.
I mean Speed-link will face Dignitas in final now and they didn't even reached the final them self but tru 4k. I mean if i was a Speed-link player i will refuse playing against dignitas. and yes it is for money but you only can win money by playing fair. and this is a sort of cheating. by ESL in favour for Speed-link
I write this to point out something more cause i agree with Tosspot his statment in this thing.
Jesus, the admins of ESL/EMS are some megalomaniacs with a vengeance. Never had a single trouble free tournament within this hierarchy of disaster for a league.
Ever tried having a dialogue with the clans and actually be apart of the tournament and its success instead of just blindly following rules, regulations and moronic principles, ESL? Try it some time.
I've seen what some of the admins have said on IRC and it's quite clear that these are not individuals interested in creating a friendly and easy tournament environment but only showing off their "power". Isn't it REALLY unnecessary punishing top teams, and teams in general, in an already dwindling scene? Does this help the game out and its future?
There's no reason for the clans and the scene to bend over and take this crap, alienating teams that are responsible and perfectly fine and unpunished in other leagues (with normal admins and rules) is a way of saying "Boycott our collective asses until we get a clue".
Copied from my comment on the ESL site.
Really sad and a shame to see one of the best teams be treated this way.
Should be enough pain in the groin to play a game that could've been one of the most successful and fun team fps games if the developers had listened to people that knew what they were talking about (instead of yapping fanboys with little or no experience from both competition gaming and vehicle fps games that were invited to the beta from day 1). Added frustration doesn't really help out no matter how much you love the game...
oh esl is short for "electronic sports league". and i always thought it stands for "weird and awkward rules"
but come to think of it: the letters wouldnt fit
he thats bullshit guys.
why dont u open the support ticket?
i mean its a real chance u give up.
i had with our gemran team thermaltake enough troubles with the leagues but i wrote all them in the protest tickets.
and they got answered! and some of them got deleted too!
i do think these rules are stupid, however even so, rules are rules and 4k broke enough of them, for whatever reason, legitimate or not, AND admin's word is final... meaning this blabbering, although its interesting and creates productive discussion and flame towards esl will probably do nothing
and besides
now hentai left 4k.etqw
grubby left 4k.wc3
cod4 team died
ut3 team are invisible?
i dont see the team lasting too much longer :) 1.6 and etqw the only 2 good teams there imo
i think aside from my crap talk above, esl should let them play the final so 4k can go out on a good note.
but they are deffo not going downhill - look out for some big news soonish :> plus they're sending our team to london this weekend and holland the weekend after so i dont think theyre THAT broke!
YEAH BACK IN ACTION NOW OWN THE SHIT OUT OF SL, IN WIN THAT FREAKING CUP!!
Btw: we all see that e-sports is getting bigger and bigger, with showing up on olympic, its a big step,
BUT WHAT THE FUCK is happening to the admins, they are all doing what they want making friends win, and getting blackmoney and stuff, its just useless..
Well I understand your anger. I also think that a lot of their rules are pathetic but somehow I have to agree with chosen and the rest, if you join their league then play with their rules, no exeptions. And that's probably the reason why you got kicked. But as I already said, ESL should better remove some of their rules.
nkm has been showing a steady uprise in the scene, topping other adversaries such as 
pelit, 
Kompaniet (now Epsilon) & 
Speed-Link, coming second only to 
Dignitas. Coming second in ClanBase Opencup and on their way to Enemy Down X-League LAN finals, one can only say that the team is doing pretty damn well! After some great performances in ESL's grand, grand tournament one would predict the gaming royalty were destined for glory! Though it seems the team did not achieve glory, but rather disaster!
Most ET teams are able to act according to rules and proved that in the ESL IPS (similar to EMS, just other sponsor), just because you play in 4K doesnt means your untouchable and can do what you want, instead of wasting time writing a column, waste your time writing a statement in time as written in the rules you... And your management should know what premium means with having played Extreme Masters for WC3 or WC3L...
- when have we ever claimed that we're untouchable?
- when have we ever done what we wish?
- i'm not in four kings any more
- i'm a crossfire admin, i'm supposed to be writing columns about such news
- what right do you have to be making such comments about 4kings? you're clearly showing bias with no justification by even saying what you just did - i'm sure ESL is glad to have admins like you that show bias in such a vigorous manner!
ET
What was my reply about?
The content of your comment
Who is untouchable?
Speaking as "We" in the first few points but dropping your 4k tag in the last is just as retarded as your comment about the ET EMS. I do not flame your column I flame these few words because they are without any valid background. And you, as mr.newsposter should know what you are talking about or commenting.
How can you say you're referring to ET yet bring 4K into the equation who have no relation to ET whatsoever?
Your point about me being a newsposter totally lost me.
You say the opposite here and just dont have any point in doing that, probably as me bringing 4k into an et debate. But hey, seems like you not even know that the ET EMS is without premium accounts - but yeah, brining up such a comment doesn't needs background, I agree.
Is your comment base from a 4k player?
Is there a relation between ET and a column about ET:QW?
Is there any relation between your qw newsposter career and ET?
Find one reply for all.
he uses the word "we" way too often, indeed
oh noes even more... get a clue
e: u r not worth having the
Please, atleast get my point ;D
Try it for your self: http://www.esl.eu/eu/etqw/ems/season1_playoffs/match/8229972/
Now the rule for ESL says you have to do a statement 24 hours in advance. Now according to ESL it wasn't posted in time, but neither was speedlinks. But only we get a penalty point for it?
Atleast looked like you wanted to play, I can not say what realy happened but spamming the IP and not making a statement looks like a mistake...
ROFL!!
this must be a joke, isn't it?
"2.9.3 Premium account
Each participant of the ESL Major Series must be a premium member starting with the ESL Major
Series main round. Information regarding the Electronic Sports Leagues premium account is
available at the following URL: http://www.esl.eu/eu/premiuminfo/
If a member of a team should have no premium account, the team will receive one minor penalty
per playday until this is resolved. However a maximum of two (2) minor penalties can be given to a
team, even if several team members miss premium accounts at the same time."
And the players in the team who were NOT participating didn't want to buy prem. accounts, obviously. But then admins seemed to assume they were, so gave us PP's for players not participating.
So, to stop this happening again we asked an admin what to do, he told us to move them to inactive. Which is what we did. Then guess what, we were giving penalty points because you're not allowed to have inactive players on your roster for EMS.
So then we went to kick them, only to find out you can't kick players from your own team because the roster is 'locked'. So that means contacting an admin again to get them removed.
I can only guess it is a joke, since right now I'm just laughing about the whole thing.
Regardless I second the words of Pokemans above but at the same time i unfortunately second FlyingDJ's sentiments also (even if he does work for ESL), these are their rules if you enter you gotta abide by them, its a point i repeat to many people in my own comp's.
However and this is something I'm sure some fucker will quote against me in future;
There are rules and then there are rules...Interpretation of rules becomes subjective when you reach the finals. The legitimacy of the whole tournament has just been blown away because the rules are being read in black and white.
If Idle come up to me at the final of CDC and say i need 5 minutes for a piss, just after taking 5 minutes for a cigarette, Idle get those five minutes because its the final and im not gonna throw them (or anyone) out in the final. Just like if 4kings have not uploaded a player photo i would turn a blind eye and let them play the final regardless.
No offence to the admin involved in this because I only can react to what I've read here, but you're making a moronic decision unfitting for a tournament with 2000Euro to be won.
10.02.08 Minor Penalty (2.16 - statement too late)
22.12.07 Minor Penalty (2.16 - missing statement) [x3]
whats about that statement stuff? do you have to give them after each game?
We have everything under control !
so why should a team get penalties so far into a prize tournament that myself and my players have paid to play in is beyond me.
which admin suddenly convieniently remembered about the inclusion of PBguids screens in the Lower Bracket finals of a tournament of this stature. why was this not a remit ermm... when the tournament began 4-5 months ago.
ESL admins (based on what I have read here) needed to apply some common sense.
cba :XD
To start off, the entire ESL site is very fuzzy, and not logical at all to navigate, it usually takes quite some time to find what you are looking after.
Then when we joined the tournament, there was no mention that you had to be premium member to continue in the group stages. (bad planning/information by ESL) (alot of teams didnt know this)
Before recieveing a penalty point we were never notified, we would just randomly log on, and see "(2.10.2 - missing player photo)" and "(2.9.3 - missing Premium account)".
Then "(2.16. - missing statement)", ofcourse you learn after your mistakes, but you have no warning before reciving penalty points.
The best part also, is when we had to W/O a match because i was in hospital to perform surgery, on that match we got 3 penalty points for useing wild card...
now that is not all, we also got a "Missing screenshot " on the W/O match we never even played!
Seriously these rules does not make sense in any way for me atleast, for me rules are there to improve for the players and make the tournament easier for them.
Example:
(provide PBGUID if oposing team think you play with other people than lineup)
Now, you don't pay "alot" for the so called "service" in ESL, but you don't expect this kind of treatment.
Oh and kicking one of the best teams in ET:QW for some minor-nonsense rules in the final stages of a tournament is just amazing logic and manners. (reminds me of the shit CPL pulled with some of their players they owed money)
i really hope this can be sorted and that no long term damage between 4k, ESL and ETQW will happen
Any questions?
The league isn't worthy of the kind of status it has, it needs to learn some lessons from other competitions and frankly ditch all the pointless bullshit.
ye, there are many other competitions the esl can learn from ;D maybe someone just did - but nvm, just check cb cs nations cup and you will figure out that many rules overpower teams - no mather what people are exactly talking about here.
Quite bad you bring your personal problem down to the nation it belongs to.
rules are rules, 100% true. so apply to them to everyone, not who you most want to touch at night.
or was it florian's mistake cause he has kafux on his buddylist?!
nobody knows!
But I do agree on the PP's given for the players who were on the roster and didn't play.
This is like the eSports equivalent of "I was just following orders", that always goes down well in war-crimes courts!
just have a look #esl.etqw .....
but that's just my 2cents...
on the other hand it's one big joke they get PPs for not playing with 60% UK players when they qualified over the EU-qualifier. (if this is true)
though I haven`t found that on esl page :/
The Americans are not in Iraq, This ESL ruling was a good one and there is nothing funny about not having your picture uploaded!
I think. Should Not blame The esl, you should only blame The admins(s) of the current etqw:ems. U knew the rules before joining the ems. U had to accept the rules before joining the ems.
The only Point where i totaly agree is that some Teams are stalkered and some Teams Are left out of the Controlling of Matches etc.
BUT if u forgot to upload a screenshot and get PPs u are able to upload Them and contact an Admin to rewatch the Match. (normaly)
To wait for a full house in PPs and then cry a river about getting kicked out of a payed tournament with huge price Money is a joke.
In this case its Like in the good old school times, some get caught some not. But it wasnt the fault of the school it was the fault of the teacher!
To prevent flammes,
I was admin of the esl in rtcw and in et for a long time and would NEVER kick a finalist of any tournament because of PPs. I would have queryd the Team long before that dead End and let them decrease there PPs by upliading screens or something else.
The esl Admins werent Realy clever in the past in German Cups eather. They hasnt give out PPs for 2month and then Blasted away a Lot of teams in a overnight PP give away party and destroyed the german ladder and the believe of lots of german teams to participate in eas. So More to come with this Admins still destroying esl!!!
Mfg
KC|zAm
Welcome to the wonderful world of ESL rules.
I saw the CS Female EMS final as well. But guess what else I saw. None of the players of the winning team had premium accounts or full names shown on ESL, as the EMS rules state. However one thing I don't see, is the team with a single penalty point. Funny that.
I can only presume that in the ESL office there is a motivational poster on the wall that says:-
"Ignorance is bliss"
The only thing you don't need to be easy on is with cheaters. But being so strickt with the rulez when 4k did there best to get in the final to face dignitas again and then just drop them for silly rulez. of phote things and a wildcard against 4k because a player was in hospital.
I mean ffs hospital is something serious and in my opinion you can't give a team a wildcard for that. and to come with the excuse that manney people will bitch about it fock the people that will bitch about that.
I mean Speed-link will face Dignitas in final now and they didn't even reached the final them self but tru 4k. I mean if i was a Speed-link player i will refuse playing against dignitas. and yes it is for money but you only can win money by playing fair. and this is a sort of cheating. by ESL in favour for Speed-link
I write this to point out something more cause i agree with Tosspot his statment in this thing.
Ever tried having a dialogue with the clans and actually be apart of the tournament and its success instead of just blindly following rules, regulations and moronic principles, ESL? Try it some time.
I've seen what some of the admins have said on IRC and it's quite clear that these are not individuals interested in creating a friendly and easy tournament environment but only showing off their "power". Isn't it REALLY unnecessary punishing top teams, and teams in general, in an already dwindling scene? Does this help the game out and its future?
There's no reason for the clans and the scene to bend over and take this crap, alienating teams that are responsible and perfectly fine and unpunished in other leagues (with normal admins and rules) is a way of saying "Boycott our collective asses until we get a clue".
Copied from my comment on the ESL site.
Really sad and a shame to see one of the best teams be treated this way.
Should be enough pain in the groin to play a game that could've been one of the most successful and fun team fps games if the developers had listened to people that knew what they were talking about (instead of yapping fanboys with little or no experience from both competition gaming and vehicle fps games that were invited to the beta from day 1). Added frustration doesn't really help out no matter how much you love the game...
but come to think of it: the letters wouldnt fit
why dont u open the support ticket?
i mean its a real chance u give up.
i had with our gemran team thermaltake enough troubles with the leagues but i wrote all them in the protest tickets.
and they got answered! and some of them got deleted too!
*edit*
http://www.esl.eu/eu/ems/news/51690/?killcache=true
btw: i've never seen a better voluntary misstatement.. good work 4k (not!)
I should have posted this in the first place tbh :(
and besides
now hentai left 4k.etqw
grubby left 4k.wc3
cod4 team died
ut3 team are invisible?
i dont see the team lasting too much longer :) 1.6 and etqw the only 2 good teams there imo
i think aside from my crap talk above, esl should let them play the final so 4k can go out on a good note.
but they are deffo not going downhill - look out for some big news soonish :> plus they're sending our team to london this weekend and holland the weekend after so i dont think theyre THAT broke!
Btw: we all see that e-sports is getting bigger and bigger, with showing up on olympic, its a big step,
BUT WHAT THE FUCK is happening to the admins, they are all doing what they want making friends win, and getting blackmoney and stuff, its just useless..
GOODLUCK 4 KINGS!!
ESL ADMINS ARE SHIT
some ET admins have proven it during summerseries
some1 deleted my previous comment which was exactly the same as this one so I have to post it again
ESL is for jews.