I was very optimistic about how things might end up in ET community but now I'm not really sure anymore.
Chapter 1 - Publics
Enemy Territory is dying a little by little as players get either bored of the game or by the cheaters plaguing it. New players are somewhat hard to get, nearly every one of you started this game by playing public, some of you mightve been dragged into our lovely community by a friend and you had the opportunity to start clan matches early on, but even so, you wouldn't play a game you don't enjoy? this brings me back to my point, cheaters. Not many times you see a public without a cheater or two. Quite often its the case of very obvious cheater aswell, spraying headshots everywhere, whether its sten or thompson. Public cheaters are not only ruining the fun of more experienced players who've played this game quite a bit, but think about all those new to the game? what would be their first impression? Surely they might not even notice if the player is legit or not, but he can ruin your fun nevertheless. No fun, No play?
Chapter 2 - Clanbase
Moving on to discuss about Clanbase, I saw them taking action by actually banning based on demo, I thought this move was great, all that was required for it to work would have been some professional players with the motivation and skill to get the cheaters banned. So we had/have killerboy, quite a hotspur with great deal of motivation, but what he lacks is the experience. Everyone has seen tons of videos posted by him about cheaters, and if you havent, its just because you stopped watching them after the first one or two. Now don't get me wrong, he does a great job whenever he is dealing with evidence that is nearly 100% certainty, I'm talking about stuff that punkbuster has been able to detect, 360-degrees aimbot stuff and so on. But what comes to demo based busting, he is just not the right guy for the job. I believe he has noticed that himself aswell, taking in consideration the latest news from clanbase, which states that [Urlnew=http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=news&mode=item&id=3297]Banning in demo cases are only done if the player in question is obviously cheating[/url].
This was rather shocking... or if not shocking, dissapointing atleast. We've seen blatant cheaters being banned from the clanbase, such as
keNta, 
seNti, 
Gnajda, 
slajdan and so on. Something was finally being done in order to give these cheaters what they deserve. Clanbase's decision to not ban for (obvious enough) demos was rewind of a chapter. slajdan was a fine example of a blatant cheater, but as he was banned based on a demo with not sufficient proof, Clanbase decided to unban him. So lets say if I were to submit a ban request of slajdan with the showing him blatantly cheating, would he be rebanned and join the banlist among the other blatant cheaters considering the case of gnajda or kenta for example. neither of them were busted till later on by punkbuster after they had received their cheater mark and bans from clanbase & crossfire. lets pretend gnajda didnt cheat till he was banned from clanbase, if this was the case, shouldnt he be unbanned as slajdan is also getting unbanned?
Chapter 3 - ET-Ace
This pretty much got us back to where we were at, a small community relying only on punkbuster which even public hacks can bypass. One can only hope
chaplja and 
quad are to bring forward their huge project, which is assumed to be the resurrection that ET will be needing. ET-Ace is what we all (non-cheaters) have been eagerly waiting for. As 
Bani didn't formulate a proper license, he allowed ET-Ace to use ETPro as they wish, which means we will be getting completely new mod which includes the gameplay and functions equivalent to etpro, a new AntiCheat integrated, possible integrations with for example crossfire and yawn, updating of the mod to make it more fit for competition, unlocking the cvars (ambientscale) and eventually some other simple changes.
The AntiCheat part of the mod could fully replace punkbuster, but can also go side by side with it which atleast still seems to give us quality authentication that no one hasnt been able to hack.
An automatic updating system isnt out of reach either, it would update the mod along with the anticheat by itself, no more manual updating.
So all-in-all ET-Ace looks very promising for ET, but is it really too late? is the game already beyond redeemable or would ET-Ace change everything?
I hope I brought up some valid points that should be discussed, its a long read and im sure it has some awesome mistakes, but putting those aside, I hope you enjoyed reading it.
Chapter 1 - Publics
Enemy Territory is dying a little by little as players get either bored of the game or by the cheaters plaguing it. New players are somewhat hard to get, nearly every one of you started this game by playing public, some of you mightve been dragged into our lovely community by a friend and you had the opportunity to start clan matches early on, but even so, you wouldn't play a game you don't enjoy? this brings me back to my point, cheaters. Not many times you see a public without a cheater or two. Quite often its the case of very obvious cheater aswell, spraying headshots everywhere, whether its sten or thompson. Public cheaters are not only ruining the fun of more experienced players who've played this game quite a bit, but think about all those new to the game? what would be their first impression? Surely they might not even notice if the player is legit or not, but he can ruin your fun nevertheless. No fun, No play?
Chapter 2 - Clanbase
Moving on to discuss about Clanbase, I saw them taking action by actually banning based on demo, I thought this move was great, all that was required for it to work would have been some professional players with the motivation and skill to get the cheaters banned. So we had/have killerboy, quite a hotspur with great deal of motivation, but what he lacks is the experience. Everyone has seen tons of videos posted by him about cheaters, and if you havent, its just because you stopped watching them after the first one or two. Now don't get me wrong, he does a great job whenever he is dealing with evidence that is nearly 100% certainty, I'm talking about stuff that punkbuster has been able to detect, 360-degrees aimbot stuff and so on. But what comes to demo based busting, he is just not the right guy for the job. I believe he has noticed that himself aswell, taking in consideration the latest news from clanbase, which states that [Urlnew=http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=news&mode=item&id=3297]Banning in demo cases are only done if the player in question is obviously cheating[/url].
This was rather shocking... or if not shocking, dissapointing atleast. We've seen blatant cheaters being banned from the clanbase, such as
keNta, seNti, Gnajda, slajdan and so on. Something was finally being done in order to give these cheaters what they deserve. Clanbase's decision to not ban for (obvious enough) demos was rewind of a chapter. slajdan was a fine example of a blatant cheater, but as he was banned based on a demo with not sufficient proof, Clanbase decided to unban him. So lets say if I were to submit a ban request of slajdan with the showing him blatantly cheating, would he be rebanned and join the banlist among the other blatant cheaters considering the case of gnajda or kenta for example. neither of them were busted till later on by punkbuster after they had received their cheater mark and bans from clanbase & crossfire. lets pretend gnajda didnt cheat till he was banned from clanbase, if this was the case, shouldnt he be unbanned as slajdan is also getting unbanned?Chapter 3 - ET-Ace
This pretty much got us back to where we were at, a small community relying only on punkbuster which even public hacks can bypass. One can only hope
chaplja and quad are to bring forward their huge project, which is assumed to be the resurrection that ET will be needing. ET-Ace is what we all (non-cheaters) have been eagerly waiting for. As Bani didn't formulate a proper license, he allowed ET-Ace to use ETPro as they wish, which means we will be getting completely new mod which includes the gameplay and functions equivalent to etpro, a new AntiCheat integrated, possible integrations with for example crossfire and yawn, updating of the mod to make it more fit for competition, unlocking the cvars (ambientscale) and eventually some other simple changes.The AntiCheat part of the mod could fully replace punkbuster, but can also go side by side with it which atleast still seems to give us quality authentication that no one hasnt been able to hack.
An automatic updating system isnt out of reach either, it would update the mod along with the anticheat by itself, no more manual updating.
So all-in-all ET-Ace looks very promising for ET, but is it really too late? is the game already beyond redeemable or would ET-Ace change everything?
I hope I brought up some valid points that should be discussed, its a long read and im sure it has some awesome mistakes, but putting those aside, I hope you enjoyed reading it.
and i guess mystic en all those player left the game 2 cuz their bad?
and i would like to discuss the banning methods and new anti-cheat implimantations, with someone from ET but seems like i am on my own, donex is on holiday(?) Bartichello hasn't anything to do with c&a anymore, and my bulld0g is inactive :(
you are so stupid, its unbelieveable
After NC i quit or, if etace proves to work and i'll see skilldrops where i expect them to see, i'll continue playing. Easy as that :o Cheaters have been ruling the game for more than 1.5 year now, lets hope it'll change.
Shooting is one thing, after playing the game for 4+ years you can actually get aim... tho i dont seem to have this polish talent of knowing where people are.
about sexperience?
I mean, the size of the country really matters!!
P.S This is your CB CHEAT MASTER ADMIN
(no, i didn't make that pic)
therefor you need to test the server before the match
and GV streaming means you use their pb settings which has auto ss... So every et server which will be used for officials will have it.
I msged donex because I really dont like the pbss settings (way too big) but we can only wait to see if it will be fixed :x
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0z3s4i
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although once we integrate everything we have in plan, anticheat-wise it shouldn't make difference if you're running PB or not because i personally beleive that if someone will be able to bypass etace, PB won't be problem either
the good thing is.. i talked to quad last night and we can actually make an update system similar to PB's which wouldn't cause trouble players and server admins updating their etace. server would auto update and clients would download it when connecting to that server via ingame downloads :} this way we can handle new cheats and detection of them without forcing everyone to manually download mod updates and put it onto the server
Somehow i agree, but it's not like you can expect a huge activity in summer, besides, if we were waiting for ET to be resurected, we would have kept playing it.
It's still possible to give it a few months more, CDC, ET-ACE, and maybe those CDC teams going on with it until the next EC (don't even know if there's going to be one).
There's another interesting point, some people just prefer getting into a new game, even if they are not planning to play it in a serious way, even if they are waiting for Wolfenstein, or even if they don't feel like playing a single CB match, it's a great way to get in touch with different gamestyles.
I will play ET in the next CDC, but i'm playing CoD4 every evening until there's something concrete about CDC, i just don't feel like mixing up with some ebuddys (which is great) to play the same cheaters (which is not) every day.
In my case, i prefer playing and spending my time on a game when it's worth actually, will do that for CDC when it comes, and i'm doing that with CoD4 simply because i can now make my own opinion out of it instead saying how bad and campy it is.
When CDC gets announced teams will be formed and players will start playing again, like dream said. But for now there is nothing to play for and Clanbase (ladders/EC) is one big joke these days, since no1 gives a fuck.
no offence!
And yes CB is a joke these days. I never dropped out of the first EC's I played in, because prestige and honor were involved. In the last EC's, at least the last 2, there was nothing really to play for and the competetive ET scene dropped like never before. We never really rebuild Kreaturen, other people kept on saying that.. Those teams were totally different and we tried our best, at both last 2 EC's, to be active.. But we don't really like it to play against the same opponents (ie FF.org/FATgames) over and over again, that's why the motivation dropped and so did we.
btw
yes CB is a joke same like you
no offence!
Nah, yer not offending me at all by saying I'm a joke. Who are you again?
A lot of people have stopped playing, stopped organising things for the community etc, but there have also been new people stepping up organising Cups, mainly 3on3 though, unfortunately. As long as there's people organising Cups and investing time into the game I don't think it will die. I hope more people start playing again after the summer ( between now and ~3 weeks?) and CDC5 gets announced soon.
ps. I always get kicked from pubs too :(
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ON BIO!!!
jk
You?
Though I agree, from what I've seen good players get kicked more than cheaters in pubs.
..one of best posts in a while
Ive been playing cod4 now for about 3 weeks, got my own maltese clan and going to a LAN tomorrow to win 800 euros, besides cod for me being a new game, its something where i can start a fresh, start from the bottom again and work myself to the top, new community, playing with maltese again, knowledge of the community, eagerness towards the game and besides all this, there is also the motivation factor of a fuckload of money to win. I've decided to focus on Cod at least for now, see how far i can go to it, to proove to myself that im not a 1-game hero. If ET gets injected with new life, new motivation, return of old players, activity and so on, theres no doubt that ill start playing properly again, but until that [which i doubt will happen] ill be sticking to cod. If there are any LANs for ET, i will see if i can come up or not, and if yes, try my best to get up, possibly to play et and cod who knows :P
Personally i think ET-Ace is just too late, the activity and motivation from the better players has already been lost completely, i just cane see it happening, sadly.
Bozar !!
He also claims to have the ability of moving objects with his mind. He's also the most clever and wise existence in all universes, ruler of all the universes and all dimensions. The rumors are that he's older than the Big Bang. He is ever-present and estabilishes a point of view made of axioms.
according to youtube comment its true!!!!!!!!!
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lol i have seen him playing many times. i know its hard to believe it but he is a philosopher, a vegan who developes his mind, thoughts, knowledge and self-controll all his life "
rofl, selfbusts allover the youtube
almost nobody gets the chance to proof himself, the med+/high skilled scene is like "gtfo random, never going to test you" just because they never heard of you before. Most of the low/+ players are staying on almost the same level because they can't find better clans and stay playing with the same people versus the same skilled oponents.
I played some great matches with twinzzy pstarz teams as merc/back-up, I surely wasn't one of the better players, but still nobody complained because I did what I had to do and played "ok" versus med/+ skilled teams. And still I'm playing in with my other random low+ mates because I never got the chance to proof myself in better teams.
But I still love KKC! same people same clan for 4 years, don't think you see that very often in ET ^^ We never reached anything, but we always ahd fun playing, and that kept us playing ET.
But I guess being in KKC just fucked up my ET carreer since in the beginning we were low--- (started the clan at my first day of ET). And now everybody is still like "haha triflip, KKC, haha low- max".
there are some new maps/changes in the mappools & new things pop up here & there
+ ESL will be much more active in the future too
IMO ET is doing pretty well for its age ;)
anyway no time to write anymore going to my e-base teacher now^^
ET ace about 2 years to late tbh
And I actually can't belive that ppl say ET is dead. It's still the most popular online fps game together with cs, css, bf2 and cod4. CS and CSS are far ahead but COD4 and BF2 have almost exactly same amount of players as ET (although these games are much younger).
Here are some links for ppl who like to post crap without actually providing any evidence:
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/
http://www.onlinegamingzeitgeist.com/games/
Here is the link showing popularity of ET mods:
http://www.onlinegamingzeitgeist.com/mods-by-game?game=813
And that IS the problem. NOT PLAYERBASE GETTING SMALLER. I also recommend good server browser with filters on (bots off) to see how many players are playing a game ATM.
You have one of the most popular online fps and yet you're saying it is dead. Sorry but how retarded can you be?
I agree with you, i understand your point and i was expecting someone to mention it, but we DON'T need 24vs24 public servers full of people.
Three years ago, I got into ET after not playing Wolfenstein since 02 (had to much going on in RL). Played Pub, joined a clan there, and out of the 15-20 of us who were in that clan 11 of us are now involved in Competition.
Instead of scorning every Pub player who gets on a Pro server, why not try and help them out a bit, and you might see more Pro players? Sure, they might be low- to start, but they'll get better, and as they do they'll bring along their friends leading to a growing Pro community.
Stop shitting on Pub servers, just because they are not as 'skilled.' If you want Competitive ET to grow and get better, start trying to lure Pub players over into Pro, as they'll have the dedication many of you once had when you first started playing Competitive ET, instead of all the whining and bitching many of you spew today.
Who cares if there's no "big" prizes nor LANs anymore, like ET used to have a great deal of them? haha. If we, who still enjoy the game and continue to play it till the bitter end can sqeeze the last drops of juice out of the game, why not to do it?
Maybe when the scene gets more smaller the tournaments will be not so often and have not so many attendees but have more quality in them. This hopefull statement considers CB/WL as well as all those no-name 1-day-cups.
quality > amount
And replying to your post: If I wanna go try to hop through 2 artys, 5 mines, soldier spam and riflenades I just go to public server. I really do enjoy 5on5 more than 6on6.
3on3 is mostly hitscan and it's not as entertaining to play as 5on5. 6on6 on the other hand gets frustrating since teams dont prolly have the sixth as a medic but fops/soldier and as an output we have spammier gameplay.
Go and masturbate furiously :D
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+ is it of the 2on2 or 3on3?
its 2v2 prolly the same totally obvious demo
But merely fuel for more discussion ;)
Hopes up for ET-Ace ;D Hope it will deliver and give this game an extra life!
btw nice to read decem
Chapter 2. More interestingly, why would you consider me a blatant cheater?
Chapter 3. Looking forward to ETACE, but as rtcw2 comes soon we can only ponder if it will be another et:quakewars/sp game(majority go back to ET rest goes CoD4) or if it will be good(the work on ACE is more or less a bit wasted if you can't integrate it with rtcw or if the coders didn't learn incredibly much).
cp2 - I've seen demos of you, though im still trying to get the demo which I saw earlier, but cant remember what was on it. maybe overdrive uploaded it, dont know, havent checked it again yet.
cp3 - rtcw2 wont be out in a while and to keep those Wolfenstein fanatics satisfied till then, ET is a fine way to spend your time, if you so choose to.
or do I?
maybe..
or not.
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I mean, if raskls behavior is not an indication of a very small penis, i dont know what is. It just pains me to see that ET is infested with people like him... Same goes for cheaters, I dont care if they are obvious or not, having an unfair advantage over your opponent because you use cheats just doesnt feel right, and i dont know why other people dont see this, that it simply is immoral to use cheats.
My conversations with raskl are always fruitful, they start with him wanting to play at cdc and i replying saying you're going to have to give the et community something very special for them to forgive you. Rinse, lather and repeat a few times and then the conversation comes to an end.
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No need for hard feelings:D
..lol'd rly
still defending your mate raskl?
why did he reconnect in less then a sec after i kicked him, nobody even CAN reconnect directly UNLESS he deletes his ETKEY
BIG FAULT: new pbguid, not allowed to play for 2weeks rofl, gg
but *shhht* don't tell anyone^^
This "diary" post came a year too late, ET is allready dead, i dont even think anyone is playin this game competetive anymore! When CDC5 will (orly?) get announced, ET will be _alive_ again for 2 weeks!
I guess the community will stay the way it is no mather what. We'll just have to wait till Wolfenstein shows up to get shit rocking again :-).
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With "I guess the community will stay the way it is no mather what." I meant the community won't get super active or bigger again when ET-ace will come, since it doens't really change the gameplay so old players will still be bored and there's nothing that will attract new players more then before.
rtcw didn't have A LOT of cheaters but there were some 8(, don't talk about rtcw like it's some holy game coming straight from heaven, cheatersfree!
And yes, its also a good point that cheaters on pubs are damaging, not just for this game, but for gaming in general. I always wonder why some people seem to think that it's okay to cheat on pubs, so long as it isn't done in wars/competition...
as far as i know chaplja is author of nexus or sth like that (?)
As far as I know Bani (creator of ETPro) has had a look over the sourcecode of etace, so you would also have to leave etpro then :p
I only play on public and some of the more popular ('med+') servers are infested with cheaters, it's annoying but it would never make me stop playing simply because ET is better than any other game I've ever played.
I miss the old times, when i join #6on6.et and write need 6v6 et now low+/med. Now its only med+/high, with random nicks/guids. And when u ask "who the fuck r u mister?", "im old player, from RTCW".
I miss the times, when r friendly players in publics. When i join BIO and have lot of fun playing versus clean guys. And i know they r clean, they r much better than me. I have to practice. I have to watch his demos, his actions.. I remmber the first time i speak with perfo, he call me nub! (WHAT THE FUCK JASPER!) After one year he said "hey nice game versus team nl", and that its fun, when u know u r improving, and the high players (everyone is high atm..) start respect you.
I remmber when i play my first Nationcup, with ETTV. Noone know me, i just think HOLLLLLLIICRAP im on ETTV.
Now, this game.. dont make laught. Dont give me a nice moments. Dont hv any "great moment of fun" in the last year. Noone cares about teamplay, about the game. Only headshots/stupidactituds/kiddies.
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Sorry my english x'(
The term "i dont care" its powerfull now days, everyone say "care" and think that is skilled, some players think the skilled players shoud be, arrogants etc. And isnt true we need that "kinda of great player" help the newbies, and not joking and have retard actions like when someone ask "hey can u give me your config?" and the awser is FUCK U NUB.
I remmber when i start play ET in CB etc and play vers great teams, and watch demos etc.. and pme for configs ( my first opinion, is if i hv his configs im like them) so i ask for that, but 80% they say FUCK U NUB, or just ignore. Well isnt the best actitude.. if we wanna some fresh blood on this comunity we need to help everyone we can. I think u understand what im saying
I really hate some players, because of his actitudes. Ppl like, butchji squall and many more.. but i hv made some nice friends like ag0n, perfo, beasty, ppl from azure gengis polass radifz etc.... Other thing when i play with FF they r really nice ppl as a team, but when i watch some actituds they have versus our opponents well :/
I think we need a new anti cheat, YES. But first of all we need a new actituds.
AND AGAIN SORRY MY ENGLISH SKILLZZZ XD
Sorry if i whined against you (FUCKING BACKRAPER!) or your team but its getting sick -.- Only cheaters cheaters cheaters.... rly.
ouh and GAY :D
Its acts like yours, make this game a shit.
There are allready people working very hard to do what they can in the way of cheater's and this community only welcome's them with gay little comments like f*ck you kanker noob wannabe, so why should they bother. I say if this hobby get's you so frustrated then go and do something else... My guess is your either to lazy or it brings you great happiness typing naughty words on your computer! Afterall people don't do something over and over unless it gives them some kind of pleasure.
Please to insert expected flame later. Thx kids
About the section b, id est clanbase, I completely agree with u. There are a certain cases where ppl must be banned for demo if no other evidence can be summoned. Slajdan is a fine example in here. He clearly benefited some "superlative powers" in few games I played versus him in the spring. Clearly above his or anyone's potential humane appearance.
And lastly, time is ticking for ET, but still we endeavour new faces in the game on a daily basis. The old roses are withering but the next generation has just taken their first steps. Whenever ET-ace comes out, it will still be a salvation for many. At least that's what we yearn for.
yeah, I know what u mean and sometimes I get a bit annoyed about that as well. But on the other hand if I know someone is haxing, I don't care that much getting owned by him, because I can think like "no can do, he is not human". So I'm not worried if that guy is better than me, as long as he is not blatant and I got even some chances in duels against him. It's good practise as well :)
get over it
also i have heard different stories about him making pub cheats only
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=column&mode=item&id=377#comment18437
lets boycott ET
Ask Microsoft™!
meni jonku aikaa et sai kaiken luettuu :P
just because some players quit because of the cheaters doesn't mean the game is dead
everyone's med+/high these days
but think about it with in eyes of an outsider, think about that what ET used to be liek year ago and what is it now? every one thinks that every one is cheating,most of the #2on2.et / #3on3.et [etc] are polluted by hackers and they don't even care about it. liek they would just laugh and piss on your grave..
so after we see mostly in gamestv scrims of low-med+ i have enough balls to say that ET is dead,it's my point of view,like all this what i just wrote,but i did think like you back in the days,after i had enough of this.
thx,this is so exciting subject and gimme more of feelings..
but me i search for 2on2 low
might be me being too low, but the average BIO-public player seems to be at least high skilled these days.
noone ever misses a shot.
was way easier to kill the DSky/Mirage/gs guys on efterlyst 3/4 years ago.
...also pubbed on rtg the day before, compared to that, I seem to shoot right through the opponent in et, tho I'm aiming as awesomely accurate as in rtcw...but that's another story as et offis bore me to death whilst playing on rtg is still fun (in case you didnt get what i mean, the motivation playing et equals 0).
Lets hope ET-Ace lives up to its expectation.. and perhaps, for once in a pretty long fucking while, we are sure when we are up against a cheater or not. Unfortunately i have met loads in my past, and if you watch ETTV on a regular basis u will agree with me that practicly half the matches u watch has a wallhacker or two in it.
Chaplja and Quad.. the faith or Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory is in your hands. Make us proud.
Pharaoh
you guys - sould get a life :|
its just a shity PC game,whats wrong with you? :\
but this game is definitely dead if you are going to play this game active on some ladders like clanbase,esl or wl.
its not even good for some fun 3on3's, because everytime if you got a med+ or higher war you can be 90% sure that these guys are hackers.....
i am playing this great game since the fuel dump demo only version but since 1 - 1,5 years its get more ridiculous from day to day.
if this anti3 cheat works well i'll give et a 2nd chance.
As long as there are a few decent servers though,I'll always play.
But seriously,as inconceivable as cheating might be :D,it's inevitable and it's something we must live and deal with.
Instead of knocking ET-ACE we should at least give it a shot and god knows that it can only help the ET community.
Unfortunately our community busts cheaters practically everyday and the worst part is they probably always come back because it's so easy to circumvent a ban unless we banrange them of course.
I guess time will tell.
All of us who predicted ET:QW would be shite were right (and by 'us' I am most certainly including myself, so fuck all of you who said I was wrong :)).
This actually reminds me of those people who still desperately cling to Quake III's purity, refusing to move on to Quake IV. Open up Q3 and you'll still see some mildly populated servers, but when you see them, all you can think is how sad they must be.
Nobody doubts that cheaters are running amok in ET. I parted ways with ET after playing on a pub and seeing that nobody was really interested that a cheater was overtly botting his way through the maps. When that mindset comes in, it's time to pack up shop and leave. If squatters move into your house whilst you're on holiday, you don't try and live with them, you either tell them to kindly 'piss off' immediately, or move house. Sadly, ET's community wasn't quick enough in eradicating cheaters before the floodgates opened. Now public play is essentially dead to those players who are honest.
I loved ET back in the day, but it's day has been and gone. ET-ACE isn't going to fix all that is so patently wrong with the game. Even if it does, so what? ET has a new lease of life for another six or seven months? That's presuming the mod even makes it to a mature release. If ET is back to how it should be with ET-ACE then I'll eat my unibrow.