Cut him some SLAC.
The day when SLAC (Speed Link Anti Cheat) will be forced on this community is coming closer. We see countless journals and comments flaming it, saying it's work of devil himself, that it will kill ET community. What's there to kill?
ET has been overtaken by cheaters. There might not be much (or too obvious) in so called highskill community, but once you dive a bit lower that that, it's full of med+ raging polaks, dutchies and other e-heroes ready to boost their accuracy's and headshot count on unsuspecting teams that are there to have fun. It's a real problem. There is no working anticheat as of now, and when it was working, PunkBuster offered little to none at all protection. This was obvious during times of famous fusengate and cheaterlists that followed after that. We were “protected”, yet there were thousands of people who kept playing with their freshly bought private bots. And despite numerous of leaks, they still are playing.
Main reason for all the SLAC-hate (apart that cheating in ET has become somehow acceptable), is integrity of it's coder Chaplja whom as we know is (ex?) cheat coder, just google ph33r.avi to see him at his finest.
I am of no connection to Chaplja, however here I will sum up a few reasons why I think we should (and must) give him a chance.
Being (ex) cheat coder is even a good thing. There are plenty of real life examples when young people, hackers, later on in their life find themselves working for big security companies, governments, banks, et cetera. Having an insight in how cheats work is a huge advantage in developing anti cheat. You have to know your enemy to fight him properly.
One of the main reasons is that everyone are afraid of some kind of backdoor that it will have and will steal all your monies and netcoder account details. From what I know, as of now some anti viruses are detecting SLAC as potential harmful and not allowing it to be used without help of exceptions, while others don't. As far as my understanding of programs goes, it's due to way it is designed to work, which means to be effective it has to be intrusive in other program work, cause cheats obviously are not that simple. I myself had had plenty of false positives, especially from poker clients. I have read somewhere (but I might be wrong) that Chaplja himself stated that he would send SLAC client to problematic anti virus developers to analyze and whitelist it afterward.
On the other hand, while using PunkBuster we have 2 system processes running all the time with administrator rights. Nobody had problems with that. Also some vocal people against SLAC, never did have problems while using private bots, some of whom, indeed had backdoor capabilities.
Then there's argument that SLAC will be the same as AntiPro, never gonna happen syndrome. Opposite to SLAC it was purely personal project by few coders and it failed due to lack of motivation and great amount of work it required. This time with SpeedLink having contract with developer I don't see why this should not succeed.
As we know, developing cheats is much easier than protecting from them and I do believe that for a talented coder having that challenge to beat others, involving monetary gain from what hes doing, is what matters. Chaplja himself has never lied about what his doing, and in a way, his honesty about his work is a huge plus in this business. And what's the worst that could happen? Project dies, and we are back to square one.
Then we have possibility of Chaplja selling cheats for his own anti cheat. That's probably the one thing that scares other cheat providers the most, not that he will sell cheats, but that it will be so good that their own product won't be working. That's why we see for example Blueman who is cheater, and as I understand cheat developer, trying to smear SLAC in every post he makes. Reminds of netcoders crying when their databases were exposed.
Even if worst happens. He sells cheats. What would change from where are we now? It's not like players who didn't cheat would suddenly go beg him for new cheat. Assuming it indeed would stop other private bots, it would be same cheating trash that would come and try to buy this new SLAC cheat and once that happens, someone leaks that Chaplja is selling his own cheats, project will be shut down, simple as that. ET market is not that big to bother with contracts, legal obligations, create delusion of anti cheat and try to sell your own cheat later.
I understand fears of some people that SLAC be indeed be bad thing purely in technical aspect, I myself would be pleased if it had some independent inspection, from “trusted” members of community, but if it won't happen, I'd rather try it, then sink deeper down in this cheater heaven what ET is right now. Call me optimistic if you want.
Good luck Chaplja, Killerboy, and most important, ET community.
P.S As last thing I would like to point out how ironic I find that someone like kamz, whom in past have been cheater himself, have spend days and nights abusing crossfire content system, crashing game servers and overtaking irc channels, have enough courage to open his mouth on this issue.
The day when SLAC (Speed Link Anti Cheat) will be forced on this community is coming closer. We see countless journals and comments flaming it, saying it's work of devil himself, that it will kill ET community. What's there to kill?
ET has been overtaken by cheaters. There might not be much (or too obvious) in so called highskill community, but once you dive a bit lower that that, it's full of med+ raging polaks, dutchies and other e-heroes ready to boost their accuracy's and headshot count on unsuspecting teams that are there to have fun. It's a real problem. There is no working anticheat as of now, and when it was working, PunkBuster offered little to none at all protection. This was obvious during times of famous fusengate and cheaterlists that followed after that. We were “protected”, yet there were thousands of people who kept playing with their freshly bought private bots. And despite numerous of leaks, they still are playing.
Main reason for all the SLAC-hate (apart that cheating in ET has become somehow acceptable), is integrity of it's coder Chaplja whom as we know is (ex?) cheat coder, just google ph33r.avi to see him at his finest.
I am of no connection to Chaplja, however here I will sum up a few reasons why I think we should (and must) give him a chance.
Being (ex) cheat coder is even a good thing. There are plenty of real life examples when young people, hackers, later on in their life find themselves working for big security companies, governments, banks, et cetera. Having an insight in how cheats work is a huge advantage in developing anti cheat. You have to know your enemy to fight him properly.
One of the main reasons is that everyone are afraid of some kind of backdoor that it will have and will steal all your monies and netcoder account details. From what I know, as of now some anti viruses are detecting SLAC as potential harmful and not allowing it to be used without help of exceptions, while others don't. As far as my understanding of programs goes, it's due to way it is designed to work, which means to be effective it has to be intrusive in other program work, cause cheats obviously are not that simple. I myself had had plenty of false positives, especially from poker clients. I have read somewhere (but I might be wrong) that Chaplja himself stated that he would send SLAC client to problematic anti virus developers to analyze and whitelist it afterward.
On the other hand, while using PunkBuster we have 2 system processes running all the time with administrator rights. Nobody had problems with that. Also some vocal people against SLAC, never did have problems while using private bots, some of whom, indeed had backdoor capabilities.
Then there's argument that SLAC will be the same as AntiPro, never gonna happen syndrome. Opposite to SLAC it was purely personal project by few coders and it failed due to lack of motivation and great amount of work it required. This time with SpeedLink having contract with developer I don't see why this should not succeed.
As we know, developing cheats is much easier than protecting from them and I do believe that for a talented coder having that challenge to beat others, involving monetary gain from what hes doing, is what matters. Chaplja himself has never lied about what his doing, and in a way, his honesty about his work is a huge plus in this business. And what's the worst that could happen? Project dies, and we are back to square one.
Then we have possibility of Chaplja selling cheats for his own anti cheat. That's probably the one thing that scares other cheat providers the most, not that he will sell cheats, but that it will be so good that their own product won't be working. That's why we see for example Blueman who is cheater, and as I understand cheat developer, trying to smear SLAC in every post he makes. Reminds of netcoders crying when their databases were exposed.
Even if worst happens. He sells cheats. What would change from where are we now? It's not like players who didn't cheat would suddenly go beg him for new cheat. Assuming it indeed would stop other private bots, it would be same cheating trash that would come and try to buy this new SLAC cheat and once that happens, someone leaks that Chaplja is selling his own cheats, project will be shut down, simple as that. ET market is not that big to bother with contracts, legal obligations, create delusion of anti cheat and try to sell your own cheat later.
I understand fears of some people that SLAC be indeed be bad thing purely in technical aspect, I myself would be pleased if it had some independent inspection, from “trusted” members of community, but if it won't happen, I'd rather try it, then sink deeper down in this cheater heaven what ET is right now. Call me optimistic if you want.
Good luck Chaplja, Killerboy, and most important, ET community.
P.S As last thing I would like to point out how ironic I find that someone like kamz, whom in past have been cheater himself, have spend days and nights abusing crossfire content system, crashing game servers and overtaking irc channels, have enough courage to open his mouth on this issue.
He could of course try to sell the cheat under a disguise, but he also would need to fix the backdoor the cheat is using to bypass the AC, due to his relation between Speed Link, really fast.
Another thing I would like to mention is, that the guy which decides to pay him, risks fucking him self up. I could imagine that he would sell cheats as a disguise to purposely bust and ban the guys which bought his cheats. That would be double profit : D.
but nevermind, FFXII is waiting :-)
And thats nearby my opinion, I would also say give it a try, it could work really great, and if s.th. doesnt work, turn back to pb...
Only thing needed ist linux client of SLAC! ... and mac?
SLAC FTW.
im looking forward to see plenty of skilldrops when slac will be finally released ]:D
I would imagine a vast majority of the community has tested ragebots on publics.
Personally I have considered looking for a hack precisely once, back when I was CB supervisor and had to review demos to see if people were cheating. I spent a couple of days wondering if it would be worth playing around (on a private server) to see what sort of settings were available and what it would look like in demos so I could recognise them more easily. In the end I rejected the idea.
Cheaters will surely find a way to cheat in wars but let them just rot in their own misery. :D
also he could add a backdoor with every update he makes.
down
the
INTERNET
Bullguard that is.
The problem I personally have with SLAC is that there is no controlling instance. Nobody can check if the developer implements something an anti-cheat software shouldn't do (virus, spyware, whatever ...) and there is noone checking if the players accused for cheating are really doing so.
So to come back to topic: I would consider installing it when arni would have a look at it. But that's also a thing arni has to agree on (it'd be his spare time).
And regarding Speedlink: I have no fucking clue why they are doing this. Perhaps the whole thing would become more clear if Speedlink would give the community more information about this project and if those information look like serious business perhaps the people wouldn't discuss such topics.
How old is this Chaplja ? Is he at a legal age ? Over 18 ? Do they have a legal contract with him ? And what happens if he doesn't fullfill this contract (if there is one) ? He could either not finish the project or harm Speedlink like you mentioned. How do they control him ?
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD +1
oh and btw its bluman
He coded for fun back in his nixcoders days, which were linux cheats so 95% of the ppl out there couldnt use them.
Then you had the nexus episode, ok he didnt ask money for that.
And after ETace he went back to coding QuakeLive cheats which he definitly sold for money.
hypocrite.
now you do bother about backdoors in slac?! any chance that you're worried about "pallobot" working?! if you're so worried about slac, maybe that's your chance to finally quit playing et.
hope SLAC helps to get ride off the cheaters..
=)
i guess nobody could/would continue his work then especially for no money
aren't we all crazy about this game? wouldn't you donate a couple of euros to play this game without cheaters?
I would
If it wasnt the second or third time he switched between coding anticheat and coding cheats I'd actually be as positive as you.
What profit would chaplja make from having a cheat-free game?? He hardly even plays ET.
But since we have nothing to lose, I would agree that it's worth a try.
2. ofc slac will be exploited one day... like any other anticheat tool does
(i even guess it will happen quiet early for slac, since the coders should be extra motivated to piss off the ones of us, hoping for a clean competition).
and 3. there will never be a final win against cheatcoders. from the moment you release a anticheat tool the race begins to keep it up to date. it's just a question on how long you are willing to keep it going.
when you make a project of this magnitude, where your skills/pride/integrity/future are on the line. the very last thing you will do is create something (a cheat/backdoor) which breaks your program for a small monetary gain. i think its safe to assume chaplja is looking at a bigger picture than that.
Is funny how us (clean players) are waiting for this while others are wondering if their private bot would still work.
nice sum up otherwise.
You forgot to mention the fact that PB is a worldwide orginzation.
While SLAC is somekind of hopeless dream by cheat coder.
If PB would steal info from your PC, you could do something about that, while if SLAC would, you can do nothing.
If he would be smart enough to code it that it'll steal info, he also would be smart enough to cover his traces.
Maybe we should trust Ben-Laden to cover us from the danger coming from Iran.
counts to you and all busted cheaters
I'm not spending "days and nights" flaming and abusing against these anti cheat stuff.
Wish I'll stay in here long enough to see the dream comes true (:
based on pure facts
you are just stupid, sorry...
IM NOT SAYING ITS BAD
BUT IT WILL HELP FOR COUPLE MONTHS ONLY
CHEATERS WILL ALWAYS GET IT BYPASSED WITH A CHEAT SO THEN WILL YOU MAKE ANOTHER PROGRAM EVERY 5 - 6 MONTHS?
ok
you can find it on iron's ftp, i downloaded all clip from his ftp :D
ehm, slac is 'our' last hope :)
TROLLED
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coke sucking
With supervision and accountability. I don't know what the deal is here, but without that then it's still just a more or less anonymous guy developing whatever pays the most at the moment. He said himself that he was developing cheats for other games while working on his previous ET anticheat offer - that's like a security firm hacking one bank while helping another with their security.
"Having an insight in how cheats work is a huge advantage in developing anti cheat."
It's not just an advantage, it's a necessity. But the skill doesn't have to be acquired by selling/releasing cheats.
chaplja asked that if you're coming up with such claims, it would be nice to back them up with some quotes or something... because he never said anything like that.
and there was no anticheat "offers" before either, etace/antipro was a volunteered anticheat project which he quit and then went onto cod/ql
He will give us updates on how chaplja is doing.
Now we only need to find someone whos incorruptible so chaplja won't pay him off.
No EULA? = no, just no