An Interview with KiL|3rBoY: Clanbase Admin, Player for Team-Malta and Member/Leader of #cheatbusters.et
Hello Kil|3rBoY. First off let's get the formalities out of the way. Could you tell us a little about yourself for those who may not know of you?
Hello readers, my name is Gary, i'm 17 years old and i'm currently attending a post secondary school (studying Medical). As most of you might know i live in the sunny island called Malta.
How did you start gaming, and more importantly what lead you to Enemy Territory?
I think it was around 2004 when i first got hooked up with gaming, played RTCW:ET Single Player, but later Snake introduced W:ET to me. Unfortunately i only had a Pentium 2 PC at that time, so it wouldn't run (still remember getting .5 fps on oasis). Still, i wasn't bothered speccing snake, it was really enjoyable to watch, just imagine playing it. So after some weeks, i got a new pc and you can say that's when i started gaming. After about playing 1 year on public servers, i was introduced to crossfire, and my first reaction was "wow these guys are rly nolifers, got 20 replies in my cless thread in a few minutes :)" I'm sure some of you had the first reaction at first too :p
What made you get into cheatbustng?
I think my first bust started after the Sup3r scandal, i remember watching some avis kiss made about him, and that pretty much hooked my attention. After that there was the kenta scandal and it pretty much started from there. Got some quick tutorials from Rafiki on how to make avis and watched some busts from Bulld0g, and after like some busts, you get pretty confident and determined to continue aiding the community, especially after Chuckie & Bulld0g went inactive.
You could say that a part of the ET community doesn't view you in a favorable light. Do you have any thoughts about why some people don't appear to value your efforts in curbing the cheaters in ET?
There are several reasons, i reckon about. Most of the guys that coudn't care less, and thus flame every thing i do would be mostly polish cheaters. Well considering there are over 9000 pbbans (almost 20% of the PB Ban list) i think some of these guys might get frustrated after seeing that their ET "career" might end soon rather than later, so its in the instinct of a human to disapprove to anything that will ruin your goal (i.e playing online in this case). Obviously there are other people from other countries who flame what i do, and after replying to me with something negative, by digging up his history you are almost certain of finding smth, so i don't really have to care about those people who flame pointlessly, no offence.
Rumors abound that you are working on a new AC project with none other than raskL, a notorious (ex)cheater and one of the most hated players in Enemy Territory. Is there anything behind these rumors?
Well, i first met raskL sometime around January/February. He asked me to send any cheat in to him to crack/bypass it and tell me which strings PunkBuster should detect. The main bot he worked on was bimbot, and it worked quite well, over 300 bimbot customers were busted by the log.txt (logged anyone who used the bimbot cheat) and thanks to the detection he sent to PB, they managed to upadate & detect the bot very quickly, and after 4/5 months, bimbot was practically dead.
For those interested, Multihack #70534 "Your search results in Enemy Territory for 70534 Search returned 1222 bans" Also, his nC (moderator) account has been de-activated for a long time now.
About the new AC project, i guess you are referring for Anti3/ET-ACE/AntiPro. I'm pretty confident this will give netCoders something to think about, and looking at the activity,responsibility,customer privacy and other factors, i do believe his customers won't be happy about it. We have discussed the techniques and methods of silent detections, the ups and downs of PunkBuster, whats not needed and what is needed, all we have in mind is to create the "best" possible anti-cheat. It was planned to release anti-pro during this month, but do to the new features and quad studying in USA atm, the coding will take a bit longer than expected.
Parts of the ET community have been calling ET a 'dead' game. Is it really worth the effort you have put in?
What i can say is that people have been saying ET is dead since the late 2005, and another 3 years have passed. Its definitely not dead and it will take another 3-5 years until its competitively not played anymore. I doubt RTCW2 will be the "undertaker" of w:ET. Was the effort i did into cheatbusting worth it? Definitely and i don't have any regrets, the only person who actually told me the above comment was someone from the nC admins, the truth is some time later, he and another 5 vital admins quit netCoders.
Clanbase has been the subject of quite a lot of flame from the ET community over the years, do you believe that there is a point where CB could be pushed too far?
People flame CB, Always have, Always will, and i'm happy when this happens. Every mistake we make is never a mistake until we refuse to do something about it, so constructive criticism or "mild flame" will help us, altough more polite requests would be really appreciated, we always listen to the communities opinion.
Quite a while ago there was the infamous Fusengate scandal, how do you feel about the actions (or lack of them) from Clanbase after the 'Fusenlist' was exposed?
I have read some old topics from ClanBase Private forums, and it seemed like a definite "No" to me. But i wasn't ready to give up that quickly, so i investigated deeply into the matter, some C&A agree about banning the nC customers, unfortunately some don't, and it's because of the legal terms ClanBase have to obide, unless we get permission from nC to use their ips for CB, i don't think we will ever ban them for the reason "nC customer" though we have been working hard into finding other methods into getting them banned. Afterall, whats the best in your opinion, a nice fancy description "nC customer" or "12 month ban"?
What i can say is that we will ban any nC customer who plays on CB, all you need to do is request the demo after the match, and that's pretty much the end to his clean reputation. Although banning nC customers for demo might not be conclusive, in my opinion, everyone nC customer deserves to get a ban, even if he claims to have never cheating in wars. The motto might be quite simple and harsh but truly deserved. "You buy bots, you get banned" simple, no excuses, end of story.
Do you feel that the Fusenlist was good or bad for the ET scene as a whole?
I don't think anyone can disagree with me, it was definitely good for the ET scene as the customers got what they deserved. Also i can tell you that from my experience Pansemuckl is full of bullox, the truth is, he doesn't know who his customers are and no one is stupid enough to cheat on EC level, and if there were any EC cheaters, they have quit before it was too late, anyone can recall when an nC customer actually won a EuroCup or CDC Lan?
Rumor has it that you yourself have a list in the making, will we be seeing a 'Killerlist' anytime soon?
Haha rumors do spread quickly, so yes you can count this as an official statement. After netCoders got exposed twice by fusen and 4 times by our team made of mainly me , mama, randombuster & Kiewan. We made up a story that Kiewan went blowing our cover to nC. Luckily it worked, and everyone believed it, so what can i say, you got kind of rolled nC :D I feel sorry for all the customers who thought their won't be anymore lists. The list will be published in about 1 month i guess. Around 1000 customers will be exposed, and what i can say is that there won't be so much surprises since most of his customers are random usa players. Obviously there are players who are known, but these are quite low compared to the others. It's just a case of no one is stupid enough to buy from nc anymore, and that's a fact.
Sounds great! Will this new list be valid proof for a CB ban?
As i explained above, they will be "indirectly" banned.
We'll wind it down now with a few less serious questions. :)
Favorite drink?
Coke
Favorite food?
Spaghetti Bolognese
Who's your favorite ET Player?
mAus :p
What are you listening too at the moment?
Coldplay - Viva la Vida :D
Thanks for your time KiL|3rBoY and i hope you get many more busts in the future.
No problem was a pleasure, hope the readers have enjoyed it and shoutout to all the guys i know :)
As an added bonus here is a little teaser of the upcoming busts:[/u]
here is the url to my clan XXX
we are currently playing in playoffs in both 3on3 OC and 6on6 OC in the highest league.
here u can see these cups: XXX and XXX
we are a highskilled clan with 5 people from the nationalteam of XXX and also 1 from netherlands
we are playing actively and would like to have this hack. these urls says enough and it would take alot of time to find demo, since i got 10gb demos (and their not listed with opponents etc)
so will u give me the hack or not?
since i saw u wrote like "only few copies left"
:(( if u arent giving me the hack because im on xfire its all wrong me and my clan XXX is a known XXX hacker clan where some members were busted before
u can trust me.. i have been even thinking of buying a hack before.. u can ask m4st3r.. please ask him
greets, hoping for a respond
Thanks for reading, Sp3aker
Hello Kil|3rBoY. First off let's get the formalities out of the way. Could you tell us a little about yourself for those who may not know of you?
Hello readers, my name is Gary, i'm 17 years old and i'm currently attending a post secondary school (studying Medical). As most of you might know i live in the sunny island called Malta.
How did you start gaming, and more importantly what lead you to Enemy Territory?
I think it was around 2004 when i first got hooked up with gaming, played RTCW:ET Single Player, but later Snake introduced W:ET to me. Unfortunately i only had a Pentium 2 PC at that time, so it wouldn't run (still remember getting .5 fps on oasis). Still, i wasn't bothered speccing snake, it was really enjoyable to watch, just imagine playing it. So after some weeks, i got a new pc and you can say that's when i started gaming. After about playing 1 year on public servers, i was introduced to crossfire, and my first reaction was "wow these guys are rly nolifers, got 20 replies in my cless thread in a few minutes :)" I'm sure some of you had the first reaction at first too :p
What made you get into cheatbustng?
I think my first bust started after the Sup3r scandal, i remember watching some avis kiss made about him, and that pretty much hooked my attention. After that there was the kenta scandal and it pretty much started from there. Got some quick tutorials from Rafiki on how to make avis and watched some busts from Bulld0g, and after like some busts, you get pretty confident and determined to continue aiding the community, especially after Chuckie & Bulld0g went inactive.
You could say that a part of the ET community doesn't view you in a favorable light. Do you have any thoughts about why some people don't appear to value your efforts in curbing the cheaters in ET?
There are several reasons, i reckon about. Most of the guys that coudn't care less, and thus flame every thing i do would be mostly polish cheaters. Well considering there are over 9000 pbbans (almost 20% of the PB Ban list) i think some of these guys might get frustrated after seeing that their ET "career" might end soon rather than later, so its in the instinct of a human to disapprove to anything that will ruin your goal (i.e playing online in this case). Obviously there are other people from other countries who flame what i do, and after replying to me with something negative, by digging up his history you are almost certain of finding smth, so i don't really have to care about those people who flame pointlessly, no offence.
Rumors abound that you are working on a new AC project with none other than raskL, a notorious (ex)cheater and one of the most hated players in Enemy Territory. Is there anything behind these rumors?
Well, i first met raskL sometime around January/February. He asked me to send any cheat in to him to crack/bypass it and tell me which strings PunkBuster should detect. The main bot he worked on was bimbot, and it worked quite well, over 300 bimbot customers were busted by the log.txt (logged anyone who used the bimbot cheat) and thanks to the detection he sent to PB, they managed to upadate & detect the bot very quickly, and after 4/5 months, bimbot was practically dead.
For those interested, Multihack #70534 "Your search results in Enemy Territory for 70534 Search returned 1222 bans" Also, his nC (moderator) account has been de-activated for a long time now.
About the new AC project, i guess you are referring for Anti3/ET-ACE/AntiPro. I'm pretty confident this will give netCoders something to think about, and looking at the activity,responsibility,customer privacy and other factors, i do believe his customers won't be happy about it. We have discussed the techniques and methods of silent detections, the ups and downs of PunkBuster, whats not needed and what is needed, all we have in mind is to create the "best" possible anti-cheat. It was planned to release anti-pro during this month, but do to the new features and quad studying in USA atm, the coding will take a bit longer than expected.
Parts of the ET community have been calling ET a 'dead' game. Is it really worth the effort you have put in?
What i can say is that people have been saying ET is dead since the late 2005, and another 3 years have passed. Its definitely not dead and it will take another 3-5 years until its competitively not played anymore. I doubt RTCW2 will be the "undertaker" of w:ET. Was the effort i did into cheatbusting worth it? Definitely and i don't have any regrets, the only person who actually told me the above comment was someone from the nC admins, the truth is some time later, he and another 5 vital admins quit netCoders.
Clanbase has been the subject of quite a lot of flame from the ET community over the years, do you believe that there is a point where CB could be pushed too far?
People flame CB, Always have, Always will, and i'm happy when this happens. Every mistake we make is never a mistake until we refuse to do something about it, so constructive criticism or "mild flame" will help us, altough more polite requests would be really appreciated, we always listen to the communities opinion.
Quite a while ago there was the infamous Fusengate scandal, how do you feel about the actions (or lack of them) from Clanbase after the 'Fusenlist' was exposed?
I have read some old topics from ClanBase Private forums, and it seemed like a definite "No" to me. But i wasn't ready to give up that quickly, so i investigated deeply into the matter, some C&A agree about banning the nC customers, unfortunately some don't, and it's because of the legal terms ClanBase have to obide, unless we get permission from nC to use their ips for CB, i don't think we will ever ban them for the reason "nC customer" though we have been working hard into finding other methods into getting them banned. Afterall, whats the best in your opinion, a nice fancy description "nC customer" or "12 month ban"?
What i can say is that we will ban any nC customer who plays on CB, all you need to do is request the demo after the match, and that's pretty much the end to his clean reputation. Although banning nC customers for demo might not be conclusive, in my opinion, everyone nC customer deserves to get a ban, even if he claims to have never cheating in wars. The motto might be quite simple and harsh but truly deserved. "You buy bots, you get banned" simple, no excuses, end of story.
Do you feel that the Fusenlist was good or bad for the ET scene as a whole?
I don't think anyone can disagree with me, it was definitely good for the ET scene as the customers got what they deserved. Also i can tell you that from my experience Pansemuckl is full of bullox, the truth is, he doesn't know who his customers are and no one is stupid enough to cheat on EC level, and if there were any EC cheaters, they have quit before it was too late, anyone can recall when an nC customer actually won a EuroCup or CDC Lan?
Rumor has it that you yourself have a list in the making, will we be seeing a 'Killerlist' anytime soon?
Haha rumors do spread quickly, so yes you can count this as an official statement. After netCoders got exposed twice by fusen and 4 times by our team made of mainly me , mama, randombuster & Kiewan. We made up a story that Kiewan went blowing our cover to nC. Luckily it worked, and everyone believed it, so what can i say, you got kind of rolled nC :D I feel sorry for all the customers who thought their won't be anymore lists. The list will be published in about 1 month i guess. Around 1000 customers will be exposed, and what i can say is that there won't be so much surprises since most of his customers are random usa players. Obviously there are players who are known, but these are quite low compared to the others. It's just a case of no one is stupid enough to buy from nc anymore, and that's a fact.
Sounds great! Will this new list be valid proof for a CB ban?
As i explained above, they will be "indirectly" banned.
We'll wind it down now with a few less serious questions. :)
Favorite drink?
Coke
Favorite food?
Spaghetti Bolognese
Who's your favorite ET Player?
mAus :p
What are you listening too at the moment?
Coldplay - Viva la Vida :D
Thanks for your time KiL|3rBoY and i hope you get many more busts in the future.
No problem was a pleasure, hope the readers have enjoyed it and shoutout to all the guys i know :)
As an added bonus here is a little teaser of the upcoming busts:[/u]
here is the url to my clan XXX
we are currently playing in playoffs in both 3on3 OC and 6on6 OC in the highest league.
here u can see these cups: XXX and XXX
we are a highskilled clan with 5 people from the nationalteam of XXX and also 1 from netherlands
we are playing actively and would like to have this hack. these urls says enough and it would take alot of time to find demo, since i got 10gb demos (and their not listed with opponents etc)
so will u give me the hack or not?
since i saw u wrote like "only few copies left"
:(( if u arent giving me the hack because im on xfire its all wrong me and my clan XXX is a known XXX hacker clan where some members were busted before
u can trust me.. i have been even thinking of buying a hack before.. u can ask m4st3r.. please ask him
greets, hoping for a respond
Thanks for reading, Sp3aker
I actually said that to the fuckin shit kid who banned me from the nC forum xD!
Please do something, I'm too tired to build up a wall of text
This should be interesting... can you reveal how many ppl from this team will be busted? o.0
b99st3d
give the list out or STFU sorry i never say noting bad to anyone on cf but this is shit.
keep the lists coming killerboy! :DD
Shows how little he knows about this game.
oh wait
say ^0[@noedel] ^7pansemuckl probably gave him a free bot
say ^0[@noedel] ^7for telling how killerboy got the ip's
This is quite a useless now! : DD D DD D D D DDD D D D
(I always knew that u were trolling!)
gj
I still don't understand why everyone is flaming him.
Great job, m8.
Firefox can't find the server at netcoders.cc.
Keep it up killerboy! :)
very good question imo. In the beginning I was very enthousiastic about this bust but later on I saw that this Fusenlist only gave nC more attention and it actually ruined the ET-scene.
Now, some time later, we have to realise it has brought nC more customers than before !
good imo tho.gg
can't think of a reason how the story of me helped in anyway tho:L im still doubting that it was a list...!!!
:DDDDDdd
:o
and btw that team..
only pl´s + 1nl.. = authentic? oO .. nah can´t be .. also i dont think someone of them would write such a shit :DD
i lol'd irl :D
Who wants some CAKE!
AUTH LOLOLOL
its not a polish clan nor aphesia
as stated before it will be more useful sooner than later, nobody wants to continue playing with hackers for a month when they can replace them now.
Good game, I agree fully!
Who you guna call ?
Localhost? :DDD
killerboy: brb vid_restart
killerboy disconnected
longest gaming history
aww I was hoping for a nude picture :<
uh oh, the police must be kids for giving ppl tickets for doing smth bad.
http://www1.evil-hannie.eu/cheatbusters/viewforum.php?f=30&sid=1f47896f6d6965c2d7ac31b9a7d0ed27
20th november
lol? xD
Nice read anyway