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I was wondering why the jews got so little attention here on cf since the whole thing is potentially huge, war in worst case scenario

because no body really cares - vila is apparently more important

plus as much as everyone hates israel nobody has an army which could take them on especially when israel has nukes

the turk's were close to going to war but never did

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germany is not afraid of nukes, we're afraid of yet another ethnical argument^^

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there were quite many journals about it yesterday

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Only 1

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no I went through them cuz I heard about it just yesterday evening. only 2 journals with very little content.

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well I didnt just mean serious journals about the theme.

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only saw 2 total according to title

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Because pala is an annoying piece of shit and noone bothers to put up with his biased opinion. True story.

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Probably some of the unblind europe will realize the ship was full of cold weapons and the "peacemakers" there were nothing but retards who wanted to deliver equipments for gaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM
haha pathetic, now we get called lairs
europe is simply pathetic

I wouldn't call melee weapons "cold" :-D

may the indoctrination be with you brave soldier :-p

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i have to say, after i went to facebook to check what my mates thinks about it, i kinda understand that we have some dead serious situation with retards here in israel (a true meaning of a brainwasher)

but the sad thing is, europe is even more blind in not seeing how these retards in the ship made use of the peace rights to deliver weapons through boats to gaza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded

enjoy the truth, really...

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if it relieves you, actually at least the german media didn't directly put the blame on israel, since you were attacked first. (about the point what you wrote yesterday about any other media being against israel)

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A cold weapon is any weapon that does not involve fire or explosions (such as the act of combustion) as a result from the use of gun powder or explosive materials. Ranged weapons that do not include gun powder or explosive materials and mêlée weapons are cold weapons. Firearms and explosives (such as grenades, land mines, missiles, bombs, etc.), and other weapons which rely on heat or burning are at the opposite end from cold weapons.

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for me a cold weapon is a weapon that are not ready to be used on point and spot, such as nuclear weapons, disassembled firearms, firearm components, legal weapons that is in the riskzone of exploitment etc.

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I was wondering why Impact got so little attention here on cf since the whole thing is potentially huge, line up changes in worst case scenario

Rumors say vila is joining impact \o/

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haha ;:DD

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hmm, maybe i shud buy a newspaper or something

who needs a newspaper when you got crossifre jeez

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well tbh the newspaper aint much different as here on cf

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at first I read "From 'hero' to zeto"

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I hope the muslims and the jews all gather there and blow themselves up.

2 problems solved with 1 solution -> world peace -> profit !

profit + world peace = conflict

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think you misunderstood me there.

We would all profit from world peace is what I was trying to say :)

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yeah true. its funny though, we live in paradise but we cant put our arguments behind and start enjoying the paradise.

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let me get this straight;

- Ship on international waters
- gets attacked
- ship defends
- attacker opens fire and kills bunch of people
- attacker escorts ship to harbor and imprisons the crew

how is having any guns abroad even relevant at this point?

israel has set up a blockade en route to gaza, which the ships tried to bypass, thus the above mentioned search(afaik)

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"The Security Council deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries resulting from the use of force during the Israeli military operation in international waters against the convoy sailing to Gaza "

UN Security Council statement
UN text on Israel convoy raid

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Quotesee above

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yes I saw, but there are certain rules in this world. israel broke them.

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that, i realised(now), but still the question remains, who's actions were worse? :)
(well i think you can call it war, so some rules to not apply, imo
cutting off supply lines to your enemy is probably not exactly a crude thing to do in war, it it's imo more or less a case of "you come any closer and I'll bite you" - *take a step closer* - "OMG - he bid me, did you see it?" to put it simple)

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yes but even so, its all irrelevant if you only rely on facts.

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they would imo have all reason to complain if israel would have actually captured and imprisoned the crew, but since they actually attacked first, they've no right to complain afterwards imo (they israeln toops had no right to be there, fair enough, but attacking them in an international area puts them on the same level imo)

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and here we go we get back into burglar example.

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but in this case both are in the end not supposed to be there, like....on a train, one has not a valid ticket and someone else beats the otherone up for it and both get banned from the train

(hmmm this is hard to find a fitting example, but i think you get the picture of my view :P)

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Yeah I understand your point and you actually have one unlike pala and matan, but in the end it doesnt matter who teased who if we go by the rules.

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but these rules do not apply in war, imo(well, just to close the circle) :D

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there are retards in the world
you are one brainwashed one of them
lolzzz

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explain yourself.

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Quote- Ship on international waters
- gets attacked
- ship defends
- attacker opens fire and kills bunch of people
- attacker escorts ship to harbor and imprisons the crew

now a serious comment for a change, that's one fucking brainwashed comment, sorry

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give me non brainwashed then or correct what I had wrong, IF U CAN LOOOOOOOOOOL :d:d:dDDDDDDDDDDD

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I CANT LOOOOOOOOL ALL I SAY IS WRONG AND SAID BY THE GOVERNMENT M8!!!!! HELP ME NOT GET BRAINWASH PLZZZZZZZZZZ

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this is what i have made from it and im not pro nor anti israel but it's very easy to attack israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk&feature=related

- israel contacted the boats and told them that the waters were hostile (contiguous zone) and that they would have to come to ashdod where they can search the boats. This becauseisrael recently(november) found a ship with over 5000 weapons which headed to gaza.

Also according to art 33 of the vienna convention law of the sea (...)In a zone to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal state may exercise the control necessary to:
a. prevent infrigement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea;
b. (...)
2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyong 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.;'

- when the israeli soldiers tried to go on deck of the ship they were attacked with knifes, iron poles and other light firearms.

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IHb8VeV46M&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM- is this humanitarian help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk (palestinian source) nice people on board.

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What a brainwashed comment m8, we just wanted to kill the passangers...we didn;t want to search anything
btw we planted lots of weapons found in the ship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM

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yep i know :( being a somali isnt easy.

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Thank you.

All ive read is that the ship was at international waters and by that alone all the other actions should be nullified.

Its more easy to understand Israeli's position when the ship refused to check in, though you also have to remember that Israel only allows 15,000 tons of food yearly(?) which is not enough, this might have been one of the main reasons why the ship wanted to go straight to destination.

The ship had small amount of cold weapons and about 700 people. maybe not even enough to cover the crew's "selfdefence needs". It should be logical that a ship has self defence mechanism, though I understand israeli's position in bringing weapons.

The video at the end is pure propaganda, similiar to ones showed after 9/11 about muslim people dancing in joy.
im trying to base all of it on logic and facts, which leaves the ship's true intentions unknown.

all in all while having better understanding of the situation, if Israel attacked on international waters (as it has been spread by media) the fault is theirs.

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Article 59 of the Geneva convention

If the whole or part of the population of an occupied territory is inadequately supplied, the Occupying Power shall agree to relief schemes on behalf of the said population, and shall facilitate them by all the means at its disposal.
Such schemes, which may be undertaken either by States or by impartial humanitarian organizations such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, shall consist, in particular, of the provision of consignments of foodstuffs, medical supplies and clothing.
All Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of these consignments and shall guarantee their protection.
A Power granting free passage to consignments on their way to territory occupied by an adverse Party to the conflict shall, however, have the right to search the consignments, to regulate their passage according to prescribed times and routes, and to be reasonably satisfied through the Protecting Power that these consignments are to be used for the relief of the needy population and are not to be used for the benefit of the Occupying Power.

Furthermore I do understand why the ships had small weaponry, but I can't understand why they call themselves humanitarians than. A synonym of humanitarian is "vredelievend" which means the same as peaceloving and clearly those people whom attacked israeli soldiers were absolutely not.

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how is having brains relevant to you?

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how about correcting what I have wrong?

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our national breakfast nigger

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whatever, no wonder u guys got such rep.

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how is having brains relevant to you?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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how about trying to come up with some words instead of bullshit?

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okay, then I can say that if you or anyone else living in the jew occupied israel ever write a single more word on anywhere you officialy declare war, for your country, against the whole world. basta pasta

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us + us will destroy u nerds

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US, like more or less any other country, does things for profits and tries to manage risks. Protecting Israel is not an acceptable risk. :-D

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why not? we have an awesome army, we destroy sweden + finland by ourself over midnight

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yeah, because you are the only country in the world with nukes :-P

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play fair
army vs army

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yeah and while we are downgrading lets start fighting 1v1 with knife, oh wait that is too dangerous, lets brawl naked and so without using any MCTs. :-D

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sure

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ona bomb and there would be a lake called israel

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This is why we can't have nice things.
Also, can't believe noone has noticed the blatant typo in the journal title.

there were turks who immigrated to european countries since 70s, mostly to germany. coming to a different country, a culture, religion, language...etc caused a lot of conflict between them and those countries they immigrated to.

later generations, who were born there however had less conflict because they were born in said cultures/countries, and they started to call themselves german/turks etc...

which is a normal thing because when you move somewhere you have to adopt. in 2-3 generations turks got somewhat assimilated, within 2-3 more most of them will be totally assimilated, which again is a normal process

jews lived in many different countries in europe for ages, and one by one they got kicked out of them, until they had their own state: israel in late 40s.

living in many different countries for hundreds of years, one cant help but wonder how they fought against being assimilated: they kept their big family together, didnt marry non-jews ..etc

what would happen if someone would say I'd not marry a nigger, or an asian, or whatever ethic group? he would be marked as racist.

world believes jews had been victims of racism yet history shows they are the masters of it.

epic win is epic

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I have been dreaming of this reply for 16 days :P

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and now u haz it !

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