Soccer in USA

One of the reasons I like posting here is I like to think I'm getting a unique variety of perspectives from all across Europe. World Cup soccer has a way of drawing interesting angles out of people from around the world because of it's unique blend of international team sport competition. The World Cup has been very interesting from an American standpoint this year because not only do we have a somewhat competitive team but the sport itself is also rapidly gaining popularity. They actually televise several Serie A club games every week, and they are showing at least one World Cup match per day on ESPN in addition to all games being shown live online by ESPN free of charge. This is an unprecedented amount of soccer coverage, at least three times that which existed for the last World Cup. There has also been a change in the average American's attitude towards the game. I live above a bar, which was full last night on account of game 7 of the NBA finals (which was a huge rival game that was expected to be one of the most watched NBA games of all time). An hour or so after the game, in the wee hours of the morning, I heard something funny from outside my headset, I thought maybe it was a fight. I took my headset off and lo and behold, the whole bar was chanting U-S-A trying to get pumped for the 9:30 AM kickoff. The average sports fan is now a soccer fan, whereas it was a fringe game much like lacrosse during the last World Cup. I myself, who had played the game in organized leagues for a good chunk of my childhood, didn't care much for watching it until a few months ago during qualifying. The game is too slow to those who don't appreciate the intracacies of a game. Then I saw this today on ESPN.com:

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Let me break down what each of those options means:

- Stephen Strasburg is a pitcher who has caught a hot streak and was National League player of the week last week. He's a huge baseball story right now. Baseball is the most popular sport in America being played at the moment.

- Manny Ramirez is the most popular player on the team in America's second biggest sports market (LA), who won a World Series playing for Boston, who plays in Fenway Park.

- Mets vs. Yankees: the two New York City baseball teams, it's rare that the Mets are good (which they are now) and the Yankees are the best team in baseball, not to mention the most popular sports team in America.

- U.S. Open: Americans love golf, although watching golf is only usually slightly more popular than watching soccer.

So that leaves us with the World Cup. I have several guesses as to why soccer is catching on, I enjoy it because it's more athletic than baseball and there is more parity at the club and international level than any other sport except for maybe hockey. This new found popularity is likely to have several ramifications on international football. Obviously, it starts with money. Americans love spending money on professional sports, and sponsors write big checks to clubs. MLS, which is our professional league that you may have heard of via David Beckham, is going to have a lot of money to draw top players in. At first, this will likely only affect the importing of talent to the US. However, in a decade or so we may begin to see the US exporting massive amounts of top level talent. The reason we don't see great US footballers (although several US players have been reasonably successful at the club level) is not because the US is incapable of producing athletes capable of playing soccer, it is the simple fact that most of our top athletes aren't aware that soccer has earning potential like NFL football or NBA basketball when they start training. With soccer being out in the open now and the MLS picking up sponsors and national spotlight, it's only a matter of time until the US makes a legit international superstar, and the soccer "trade" goes fully international. Some may be resistant, but I think it's quite a beautiful thing to think that we may soon have a truly international sport and that the World Cup has only begun to realize its potential.


P.S. I don't know why I wrote this but I'm bored... I'm an English student who has an interest in sports journalism so sometimes it's nice to work on my craft.
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Footie > soccer plz -,-
My copy+paste response to football vs. soccer comments:

Americans sound like retards when they call association football "football" since the game we call football (gridiron/American) is by far the most popular sport in our country, whereas soccer is behind football, baseball, basketball, auto racing, and hockey in popularity. Both games were developed separately on different continents after American independence, therefore both games have equal right to the name "football," but gridiron football was being played before association football in America so we call the former "football" and the latter "soccer" to avoid confusion. Ask an Australian what it's like to have the two most popular sports in the country called football.
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[img|left]http://www.imgjoe.com/x/123111156608.jpg[/img]

(: nevertheless, your arguments are valid.
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That's called Aussie rules, which is a form of the Irish Gaelic Football. If you're in America fine call it soccer all you want when your talking to a European community or European people it's football.
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what about soccer saturday?
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Eventhough it also bites me a bit in my ears when hearing 'soccer', I find it quite amazing how strong is an opposition towards 'soccer' here on crossfire. Almost every appearance of 'soccer' in comments is being corrected by someone :).

But that just shows that you should rather say 'football' when talking to Europeans, instead of 'soccer'. Just like a European which is asking how to get to a subway, not an underground, when in America :).
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We call/ed it Aussie rules in Australia and footie for the real sport :P

And auto racing?
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baseball is so boring
An increasing number of Americans agree.
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i`ve heard there are 2 millions newcomers going to play soccer every year.
so maybe you get a nice chance of winning the wc in like 10-15 years :D
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Make an article about world cup. when its finished :>

ps: You can call it soccer in usa but when you speak to the rest of the world please call it football xD... nice read
+1 @ the p.s
also really nice to read, number1dad.
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sorry, couldnt refuse to post it.
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couldnt really concentrate on reading that much now, but sure will, since the first part looked nice. go ahead and keep us up to date ;D
dunno, isnt my pic ;D
whats the correct term for that shape? in german its called "Rotationsellipsoid"
so, hand-rotated-ellspsoid? :O
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i don't know what i'd call it but it wouldn't be egg :P
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It's still a funny pic, who care if it's not the exact same shape. It's still egg-shaped In common speech.
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but certainly not a ball either!
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i'd call it a pointy pig :)
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It's an oval, which is the shape of an egg.
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there are points at each end
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lul wut? so, it's still an egg shape.. it's a term used to describe the shape of something it's not a detailed description with geometric references.
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i don't have too many eggs with points..
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haha :D (me neither :X)
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whoa did you even understand what I just said???
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geometric reference: rotated ellipsoid
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could be modeled most closely by a stretch applied to the shape called an ellipsoid :)
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more like a rhomboid, so is it handrhomboid now? :D
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i respectfully assert that my shape is the correct one :)
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sorry, but 'your' shape fails to provide edges :D
(well mine fails at the curves...now it's up to you to find the combination of those two :P)
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http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/ref/ellipsoid.html

found this in the help section of some math software ive used

notice how they actually use an "american football" as an example? ;)
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soccer? fuck you dickface
Yeah It's great, though I hope the NBA won't suffer :)
Actually I wanted to write tl;dr, but well I failed and read it all.

But nice that football gains some popularity over there tbh. :)
American Football is really a great sport. It's a pity that it's so unpopular in Europe. Same about the NBA. As long as I still could share the league pass with friends I watched the NFL & NBA very frequently, but they changed it this season. It's too expensive that I'd be able to pay the entire price at my own. :( So I limited it to the matches of 'my teams' and the finals. A long time ago icehockey was my favorite US sport but I lost my interest over the past years.

But explain me why such a boring sport like Baseball is so popular in the US, please. I will never ever understand it. :/ As far as I know there isn't even a salary cap so the same teams (especially yankees) are winning again and again the MLB title anyway?! Same about Golf, boring as hell.

A big minus of the us sports is the franchise system in my opinion. There is no real local identiy with the franchise like in europe, which has been developed for many, many years. It's like a capitalistic travelling circus. There is more money to earn? So we move to another town!

Furthermore there is no relegation/promotion because of it. Not the sportive results decide about the membership of the biggest sport leagues, it's the money.

Edit: What about the viewer levels compared to the nba finals and the superbowl in %? It has more validity than a poll on a website imo.
American Football is pretty good to be completely honest.

Had to download the SuperBowl though, adverts are fucking retarded.

Rugby over here is rather enjoyable, but Starcraft > spectator sport wise.
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23 million viewers for game 7 last night, most since 1998
106 million viewers for the 2010 Super Bowl, which was watched by more people than any other show in history

While there are some teams that are transient, there are plenty of programs with deep traditions. For instance, the Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, Bears, Browns, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, Reds, Red Wings, Bruins, Knicks, Celtics, and Lakers all have been in their cities since the 1920's or before and have notoriously loyal supporters and rich history within their cities. Fan loyalty is greatest at the collegiate level, some rivalries run as deep as any English football rivalries, for instance Ohio State vs. Michigan stems from a war the two states had over the city of Toledo, OH in the 1830's. Ohio State has the 5th most wins all time of all college football programs, Michigan is the winningest program in college football history. They both play in stadiums that seat over 100,000 people and were built in the 1920's. The big difference between American sporting culture and international football culture is that Americans don't have hooligans that go to games with the intent of hurting somebody, although rioting is a common occurrence with popular college football teams.

And American football is my favorite sport and I follow just about every major sport out there except for cricket (the games are too long). It's a very beautiful game, it takes a lot of thought and your execution has to be perfect on every play. Plus all the contact and the athleticism is insane.
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Watching those first games of this WorldCup must be like a proof of the cliché you have about soccer. Boring, long-drawn-out without many goals.
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Lakers: started in Minnesota
Steelers: founded in the 1930s
Cowboys: founded 1960
Packers: fair enough
Bears: started in Ohio but admittedly moved very early
Browns: 1946 and also Baltimore Ravens
Yankees: founded in Baltimore, than bought and moved to Manhattan, later Bronx
Cubs: fair enough
Red Sox: founded in Ohio, later moved to Boston
Reds: fair enough
Red Wings: fair enough
Bruins: fair enough
Knicks: 1946
Celtics: 1946
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Quote23 million viewers for game 7 last night, most since 1998

Not bad. I guess it was not even broadcasted at the prime time due to the time difference?
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Roughly... the game started at 9:00 PM in the east, which isn't that late for a sporting event in the US.
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I love it when you americans say "rich history" and "since the 1920s" at the same time :)
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Learn sports history before speaking, there are very few professional teams anywhere in the world that started before 1910, and I would wager the numbers are about the same between the US and Europe, and the US would have more if you count collegiate programs.
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About that franchise part you wrote about: what I noticed when I was over there is that it seemed like teams in the NBA and NFL etc have supporters all over the country, not restricted to a region or state but college teams have their local fanbases. It still feels like these World Cup football fans we have over here, claiming to be interested in football as long as some international cup is going on, just all year round.
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Yes you are very correct about that, but people here often move from state to state since there are no language barriers so their allegiances to the team they grew up with stays sometimes, and then they raise kids to be fans of that team, etc. That and the US is very spread out. There are also a lot of bandwagon and fairweather fans who will cheer for whomever is good, but there are a lot of passionate fans out there. For instance, I wouldn't know what to do with myself during football season if the Bengals relocated.

And, yes, the majority of Americans won't care about football after the US gets knocked out until the next World Cup rolls along, but there is a significant number that will follow MLS, BPL, Serie A, and all the international events.
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Sure, but what I noticed is that (I was in Central Michigan) people mostly cheered for either Michigan State or U of M instead of the Lions or the Red Wings. And what I meant with these World Cup football (read: soccer) fans are mostly ignorant people (read: women) that paint their faces in fancy colours (read: colors) but know squat about what teams the players usually play for and therefore ruin the experience for the actual football enthusiast.
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Women ruin sports in general, I don't think anybody will argue that.
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I can well imagine. Another negative aspect of us sports which came in my mind while reading your comment is the commerce and all the fuss such as cheerleader, crowd animators, etc.

Furthermore it's very strange to see the crowd leaving the arena before the match ends when the winner seems to be clear. Even if the own team is winning. Not even a lap by the home team after the match to say thank u for the support or to celebrate with the crowd in case of a win or a good performance. Just as the match is over the players leave the field instantly.

To put it in a nutshell it seems to be more about the event than the sport by itself.
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You wouldn't want to watch every Inning of a baseball match would you? ;)
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I wouldn't even want to watch one inning as Baseball is so fucking boring. :P Okay, baseball matches seem to take up to 3 hours or even more so that's understandable. I was more talking about the sports I actually watch. The described points especially attracted my attention, when I was watching NBA.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Starts with high school being a massive congregation for the entire school.
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Most fans don't give two shits about cheerleaders, corporate sponsors, halftime shows, and the like. They are there because sports are big business and they need to appease big businessmen whether they are sports fans or not. Not to say that money isn't a HUGE part of club football, for instance you'll never see the 18 on Peyton Manning's chest replaced with a Samsung logo. Maybe these videos will help capture what American football is all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLKszZAx4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybMzWrvTko

Texas A&M has practices for their chants at midnight before playing big games:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfVWw-IlVM

Here's a decent list of traditions in college football, a lot of these are over 100 years old.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/278974-the-25-greatest-college-football-traditions

Really, college football is where it's at in America.
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haha dotting the I is number 1.. fuck yeah
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There is no salary cap in Football either. So teams like United, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Inter, AC Milan, and Celtic can dominate in their respective leagues.
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is there soccer divers in other sports? thats what makes football disgusting to me, difference between a good game and bad game is huuuuuuuge.
FOOTBALL :D
hi. it's football. bye.
hockey all the way =)
I never really understood why the Yanks favor games that are nowhere played (competitively) on the planet anyway. I like the tendency you described.

Steven Cherundolo is the best btw ;)

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Quote11 years away from home but still at home


And finally some action from football supporters, can't be challenged by any US sports 'fans', imo ;) There are other examples ofc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz8a-cQdPtU
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Liegt hier, ja ;D
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fuck I posted this under the wrong comment
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hahaha @ the aftermath :D
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Moar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT72mnFTwzA

Screw the Super Bowl half time show!
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It's a shame to see a club with such a beautiful fanbase be destroyed by incompetent leaders.
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yeah!
last president "el gordo hijo de recontra de mil p.." Aguilar was the worst thing that could ever happen to a football club in the world history.
we sold great players to Europe for a couple of millons but he made such a great work by letting the club get red numbers with debts, players leaving without getting payed, its sad to see my team like this.
Now River need to make a good year and at least earn 55 points in total otherwise we could be facing to play in the 2d league of Argentina; La "B" Nacional.
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You sure about that bro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPq526ULPXM
Notice the street light being torn down in the background

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ies9wtGaakA&feature=related
Aftermath after an Ohio State football game... when I lived in Columbus (where the uni is) I remember 4 people dying in riots after beating Notre Dame by a lot.

Of course, there are other examples. I'm not saying US college football fans are more intense than European football fans but I think they deserve some respect for being devoted fans.
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You really didn't notice that wasn't a riot? That was too show their support for their team.. Much like this isn't a riot AT ALL..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkwG0PUiuXs

This the EC08 like 100k (I thought) Dutchies were in Bern to support our team (without having tickets).
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i was surprised that you actually explained what each of the poll's options meant :P

not meant to sound sarcastic but many americans i reckon would have thought this was very obvious for everyone on here because american things are very important !:O
QuoteThe average sports fan is now a soccer football fan
Even women like football when the world cup is running(or at least here)
and they bother you asking what is an off-side... classing question :P
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she asked me about the groups and points and she is like "I dont get it, but I love you *kiss*", they don't like complicated things ^^
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great game vs france :)
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Thanks man! hope we can pass the group in 1st place ^^
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nice to hear that, im cheering for USA team in this WC

cheers
Why not for Chile? They have a very nice team.
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im cheering for Chile/USA/Germany actually
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I'm cheering for USA, but only because of Benny Feilhaber, who plays for the club I follow :)

In my opinion one of the problems for North American football, for many years, is that they see football a bit as athletics, in the sense that people should be able to run fast, jump high, etcetera; the players haven't had the feel for football also, the "je ne sais quoi".
The club I follow had a player (Jeremiah White) for 3 years, not a regular USA national team player, but he played once in a while. He was the fastest player in the Danish league and did the farthest throw-ins, but his technique wasn't always the best.

This is however changing and I think that in some years USA might win the World Cup.
Mexico will win the WC before USA and to be honest USA Football (not soccer :D) need to grow in the meaning of more matches with the outside/
USA dont play with any other south american team like many Mexican teams with La Copa Toyota Libertadores or La Copa Nissan Sudamericana (major competiont in the region) thats why mexico improved a lot, mixing their teams with south americans teams is a plus.

I doubt USA might win a WC in some years, maybe in a couple of decades, just maybe..

peace im out, im sleeping now! :|
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If you see a guy like Blanco get into the team you know football isn't all about athletics but more about feeling for the bal and game.
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That's what I'm saying, it's changing.
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It's a mixture.. I'd say offense is more athletics than feeling/insight (thus why attackers can't go on for forever and the younger the better) and defense is more insight (that's why defenders can go on till 35+, it's more about insight/experience). I love footy :D.
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ive heard of the MLS trough fifa99 or so id say, cuz id buy hristo stoichkov from some american team cuz he awesome stats, the teams had red shirts! :D
Chicago Fire.. hristo is a legend.. ask Ceres
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that was it yea!
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As the national team gets better, Americans start to like that sport more. Simple as that :)
I was surprised when the WC 1994 took place in the US. I was only 11 back then but found all the shows around the events to be pretty ridiculous.
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