will be banned from semi final (+final if they reach it) for sure! now the last african team is out of the wc, that is not what fifa wanted to see.. :D
but it's really funny: who would NOT have done the same? just think about it..you are in a very important match, some seconds left until the end of it and you have the decision, red card and a penalty or give them the goal..i cannot remember a situation where this red card + penalty really helped you. 99% won't change the situation at all, cause the other team converts the penalty. but there is always this 1%, just a little hope. although most of you will propably not understand him, i can understand him and would have done the same!
"who would not do it" - thats not the case. thats not the argument.
it doesnt matter who would or who wouldnt do that.
the point is - let me bold it - that was WRONG. everybody who would do that - would do wrong.
people just cant seem to understand that fouls, handballs, etc are not part of the game. it is not an exchange - "i play handball, and get red card". this is just a sanction. the point is, a man cannot do it. a rule, a law, a right way to behave. the sanction is there so that these little cunts who dont care about what is right and what is wrong would fear doing it.
it's like in life - you cannot kill. period. additionally, if you kill, you get 25 years.
the bad luck of ghanians is that - the sanction didnt matter at that moment. if suarez did that in 7' of the game, uruguay would play 10v11 for a whole match and would suffer from such handball. but that happend in the last minute so that didnt make uruguay suffer. but that doesnt change the fact that this is WRONG and you cannot touch the ball with handball.
no, he cannot do whatever he wants. thats my point. rules are there so that a man behaves in accordance to them. again - this is not the exchange like in a shop. card is just a sanction, but whatever the sanction may or may not be, the act itself is wrong. this is unethical here. you can see i dont mean some christian moral shit, but basic rule of humanity.
it can never get even. you cannot turn back things.
and he cannot. he is able to do so, but he cannot :). depending on semantics, thats not the same. still, breaking them is wrong. and you again come back to the sanction argument. i already wrote that sanction doesnt matter here and said why - the act itself is wrong because it is against the law.
i see your point there and i do see why you are saying this but remember 1 thing with any game. You play to win. and by trying to win you do everything to win, that includes tackles, pushing,etc.. and this action too!
I understand that he did it to win, I would certainly do that myself. The only point I'm trying to make is - nobody should say what Suarez did was alright, okay, etc.
By the way, even playing to win with any remedy possible is debatable. Wild animals do whatever it takes to survive. Even people do that in extreme situations. It is a natural law of organisms to everything they want to survive. In sport, however, one could think that people should do whatever it takes to win, but in accordance to the rules. Such straightforward thinking is not practical, though. Imagine a team losing a match after the first foul. Impractical. And this is where the relativism is taking the win, we accept fouls, handballs, etc, as a part of the game. You only need to wait few decades and teams will start carrying guns on the pitch and will kill the players who are about to score against them. "Why not? I'm playing to win!" :)
its quite funny how you judge 1 handball and blame uruguay for passing by cheating, and then say every foul and handball is cheating so that basically means uruguay was cheating but ghana was cheating too, uruguay just did it at a smarter moment
smart response, but you still dont get it to the end.
yes, ghana was also fouling and stuff = doing wrong. but that doesnt change the fact that suarez still did wrong. the point is, his handball is wrong itself - in abstraction of everything else. no matter if ghanians played handball themselves or they didnt. either way, suarez's handball was still wrong.
and I believe I didnt bitch about uruguay getting through, since i like to see forlan go through. im talking only about a handball itself. half of crossfire is stating the hand was "epic", "alright", etc and suarez is a "hero" for doing wrong.
well I agree it is a wrong move, but a very smart wrong move which sure has made him a hero in his own country.
imo you can compare any tackle, handsball etc to someone walking into your house, stealing your property, well what do you do? you hit him right, so he gets out.When you hit him you are also breaking the law and can get a punishment (at least in my country you are). Just compare the house with the next round, suarez is protecting their chance to the next round and he breaks the law while doing so. Every single person would do the same but it was still breaking the law (just a very small law)
agree, if i was uruguayan i would consider him a hero, too.
i think this analogy is not right, however. you cannot blame ghana for trying to score as this is the objective in football, while getting into my house is not point of life of another person :). he can protect next round, but only within a scope of rules.
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but it's really funny: who would NOT have done the same? just think about it..you are in a very important match, some seconds left until the end of it and you have the decision, red card and a penalty or give them the goal..i cannot remember a situation where this red card + penalty really helped you. 99% won't change the situation at all, cause the other team converts the penalty. but there is always this 1%, just a little hope. although most of you will propably not understand him, i can understand him and would have done the same!
it doesnt matter who would or who wouldnt do that.
the point is - let me bold it - that was WRONG. everybody who would do that - would do wrong.
people just cant seem to understand that fouls, handballs, etc are not part of the game. it is not an exchange - "i play handball, and get red card". this is just a sanction. the point is, a man cannot do it. a rule, a law, a right way to behave. the sanction is there so that these little cunts who dont care about what is right and what is wrong would fear doing it.
it's like in life - you cannot kill. period. additionally, if you kill, you get 25 years.
the bad luck of ghanians is that - the sanction didnt matter at that moment. if suarez did that in 7' of the game, uruguay would play 10v11 for a whole match and would suffer from such handball. but that happend in the last minute so that didnt make uruguay suffer. but that doesnt change the fact that this is WRONG and you cannot touch the ball with handball.
cheers!
btw, your argument is not right.
"no, he cannot do whatever he wants. thats my point. rules are there so that a man behaves in accordance to them"
true, but he can still break them but there is a certain punishment attached to get even. So there :)
and he cannot. he is able to do so, but he cannot :). depending on semantics, thats not the same. still, breaking them is wrong. and you again come back to the sanction argument. i already wrote that sanction doesnt matter here and said why - the act itself is wrong because it is against the law.
By the way, even playing to win with any remedy possible is debatable. Wild animals do whatever it takes to survive. Even people do that in extreme situations. It is a natural law of organisms to everything they want to survive. In sport, however, one could think that people should do whatever it takes to win, but in accordance to the rules. Such straightforward thinking is not practical, though. Imagine a team losing a match after the first foul. Impractical. And this is where the relativism is taking the win, we accept fouls, handballs, etc, as a part of the game. You only need to wait few decades and teams will start carrying guns on the pitch and will kill the players who are about to score against them. "Why not? I'm playing to win!" :)
Cheers, I think I have to go to sleep
good night, sleep tight
yes, ghana was also fouling and stuff = doing wrong. but that doesnt change the fact that suarez still did wrong. the point is, his handball is wrong itself - in abstraction of everything else. no matter if ghanians played handball themselves or they didnt. either way, suarez's handball was still wrong.
and I believe I didnt bitch about uruguay getting through, since i like to see forlan go through. im talking only about a handball itself. half of crossfire is stating the hand was "epic", "alright", etc and suarez is a "hero" for doing wrong.
imo you can compare any tackle, handsball etc to someone walking into your house, stealing your property, well what do you do? you hit him right, so he gets out.When you hit him you are also breaking the law and can get a punishment (at least in my country you are). Just compare the house with the next round, suarez is protecting their chance to the next round and he breaks the law while doing so. Every single person would do the same but it was still breaking the law (just a very small law)
i think this analogy is not right, however. you cannot blame ghana for trying to score as this is the objective in football, while getting into my house is not point of life of another person :). he can protect next round, but only within a scope of rules.
p.s: i think than Uruguay is the team with more luck in the whole world
p.s.s: sorry my engrish :D