For the sake of the discussion
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14 Jul 2010, 11:14
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Y'all should be glad stuff gets proposed and tested in ET.
Would you like it better if you can say whatever you want but nothing ever gets done?
The purpose of these summercup tests is that we find out if some changes are worth it or not. Having a healthy discussion about it can change people's opinions.
But what did I see today on crossfire once more? Nerds insulting people who get shit done. You guys apparently can't have a decent discussion. More reasons not to listen to what these people have to say.
Would you like it better if you can say whatever you want but nothing ever gets done?
The purpose of these summercup tests is that we find out if some changes are worth it or not. Having a healthy discussion about it can change people's opinions.
But what did I see today on crossfire once more? Nerds insulting people who get shit done. You guys apparently can't have a decent discussion. More reasons not to listen to what these people have to say.
and in the end - isn't it my opinion when I call the opinion of others "bullshit"?
E: its not like i said "OLOLOLOLO I THINK YOU ARE A STUPID BELGIAN AND THEREFOR I DEMAND THIS CHANGE NOT TO BE MADE LULZ"
i may not agree with some decisions i still think some of them are needed even disagreeing with it.
waiting to see what it will give. gl :)
1st complaining about the game beeing to predictable
then complaining about the game changes...
ppl rly don't know what they want.
and btw in your next council ore whatever it's called :p, i would statue for the replaying of some oldschool maps.
oasis battery and some others should be in again. that's my opinion ofc :p
no1 want's to play et_ice ore other oldschool maps so you every1 plays suply gr deli
that's what i call predictable. if you ^play 3o3, be sure one of these maps always will be played. (mostly 2 of them are played.)
And delivery is my team's homemap :|
Then again, we don't really camp :D
But tbh, I run around all the time in 5on5 on that map as well.
Supply is a rather campmap then as well if you think about it. They're always on the same places, yet they still win, so it's kinda bsy blaming it on the map.
Innovative gameplay usually dismounts such defenses, which is a thing most teams lack.
those who are on favour of this change (at the committee) should actually "test" it and play the summercup.
I'm not an active gaymer like you nerds are but laming is just the best way to win the match np.
KROSAN DONT BE MAD FRIEND, WE CAN STILL BE BEST FRIENDS
LETS DO WHAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY WANTS?
END OF DISCUSSION MF???
way to ruin your reputation as an admin by calling us nerds. ill screenshot this and send a pm to tosspot, this is outrageous
who of us gets a say in this? that's something I'd like to see explained...you collected a few players that think of themselves(or you do rather) as the top and that group gets to SECRETLY decide what will be done?
are you serious? where are the representatives of the "middle class"? you know they even have those in the parliament? where are the people that will play this summercup to have their saying in this joke?
come fucking on, seriously
I always read and reply with some sense
I know (some) people think that highskillers rule everything and they play the game know the game so good that they know what's best for it, but very often that's hardly the case, they will almost always propose things that are in THEIR favour, the things that help them win the game easier and to get rid of the things that annoy them, doesn't matter if it's good or not for the game, they will want to get rid of it
take just one obvious example, bani was never a highskiller but look what he did for ET
And this so-called "group of elite" that I gathered, is meant to assist me in preparing for AEF. Things about schedule, maplist, configs and general organization do concern them and I don't want to make decisions (that a LAN admin would normally make without even consulting anyone) without having a good amount of opinions of top players and managers.
You continue to see the bad side of the medal here, maybe try to look at it from my point of view.
where I disagree with you, I never found that highskillers keep the game competitive, it's the lower players, maybe the high scene gets the lans going but a great percentage of ET clans/players never went to lan or don't intend to but they still keep on playing, and you have to keep in mind that a very large number of players that are high now were med just a couple of years ago, if the game manages to survive for a few more years you're likely to see the current med players replacing the current highskillers, so you HAVE to ask them about their opinion also because it's on them to keep it alive
sure the players you gathered can assist you with deciding the settings for the lan, but stay away from these kind of changes without asking the community, AEF is in what, 2 weeks? and you're making the changes that will stick, keep that in mind also
I respect all the layers of skill in this game, but the med skilled players often don't have a defined knowledge of what's best (some do, don't get me wrong), and will because they're with a lot more, always follow the herd like a flock of sheep. A community poll almost always gives an overview of 20% educated votes, and 80% uneducated, impulsive votes.
and you'll see, the decisions made now will stick unless the community rises against it
what bothers me most, is that this has been done secretly by a small group of players, I think we came to the point in this game where nothing should be done without an opinion of the community, the game is slowly dying, it's not expanding but shrinking and we need input from everyone to what should be done, not by a small group, especially when that small group knows each other very well and will most likely support anything said by someone in that closed circle, I seriously hope you can see my point here
major problem in this game is the spawntime, what have people in that group proposed about that? I find that a much bigger problem than the jump for instance, if it's not engine dependant, set it to a random number, it will help the flow of the game much more than removing some jump
But who am I fooling, I won't be convincing you of anything so I'll just stop here.
I agree that testing looking to improve the game is essential, but only if the community actually wants it.
We have proposed so many shit and none of it gets done and now you're trying to defend that sometihng we did NOT propose actually gets done.
I don't see how you didn't expect flame towards that decision.
People would have been much happier if you just tested new maps and such, which already removes a large aspect of predictability where many people whine about.
I disagree with there being an ET comittee as well... It's like bringing back the nobility, we got rid of it through the ages for a reason.
What's wrong with just making polls here and see what the entire community thinks and then consider applying it or not?
a simple reply to this comment would be: who has ever suggested removing the jump in the community?
There is always flame, don't be bothered I am quite sure most people appreciate! Alt least I do
e: and btw, ET Lans are just for them who needs to prove they can hide their cheats @ lan too.
and this is not a change that you test - its just the so called 'et committee' making the game predictable
and also, if your defence is good enough on Supply, you should have enough crossfire to stop this jump anyway?!
It would be great to be rich so I could host my own LAN in 6on6 format and say a big fuck you to you guys.
let people enjoy their sc like they signed it in it without this shit testings
wtf is wrong with u :s
seriously i cant believe this is the way you're trying to fix 7 year old game, u never learned anything? jesuz....
How can It be a test cup if you dont ask from the players what they want anyways., This poll proves that this change sucks and we dont want it, still it seems like you couldn't care less.
Yes, good decision: 21.3%
No, it's a bad change: 57.4%
What happened?: 21.3%
Only 21% agrees with you, and the same amount dont know what is going on because the voted before readin, since you dont tell shit to the community until you're already done with the changes.
OH AND OVER HALF THINKS THAT THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT.
no man, they just uneducated
first time something this stupid happens and u call it testing? :l
Supply is a hard attacking map, and I see alot of double fullholds or close ones, this is just making it harder for the attackers, which ends up in alot of fullholds.
The proposal that Clown gave was actually pretty good one imo, yet it got rejected without further discussion by a fucking manager who does not even play this game. I mean, seriously, what kind of people you have there to decide for the community..
Where do you see all these supply double fullholds?! I haven't seen a supply double fullhold for months ...
Representatives of every top team in ET were approached. Many declined. They are now at the mercy of decisions made by others.
Ill tell you what happened, as you say nerd ill use nerd.
One nerds team got raped when someone did the jump, he whined, other nerds listened and tried to start changing things.
_:DDd