ET competition is dead imo.

Well imo there is not rly a competitive concept in ET so admins it would be nice to think about the following points it might make it back fun to play again for some ppl.

What i would advise if i was running a league it would be this.

- Get a decent anti cheat wroking (SLAC?)

- Work with seasons cause it makes the competition more alive if you got a kinda home and away match.
Fist 2 go up last 2 drop down of each division (or something like that)

- Change maps every season (keep few the same but not 1 same mapfor 3 seasons in a row) ET is still a team play game and every map need tax and its a new challange unless your a lazy fucker ;).

- New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)
Also this will kill most of the "We just make a team for cups only".

- now a hard point but imo it is better this way.
1 player for 1 team (imo you can only give a 100% effort for one team and also the team will grow by it cause you start to know eachother better and can predict little how your teammate reacts and this makes you stronger as a team)

The advantage of this system is ET will get more known and multigaming clans would like to pick up teams that are around for years.
Another good thing is that you dont always have to play vs such lower skilled or better skilled teams with the seanson and divisions ppl wil end up in the pool where they have to fight for every point.

For me this concept would be nice to do and i am talking about the structure of it.

You want to compete vs eachother well i think this is the way to do it.

What do you think.

Flame on (since it is crossfire anyway)

PS yeah i suck in english and it was fast written so prbly it is full of typos but just wanna share an idea that might make ET back more alive in competetion mode and also make it more intresting for lans to pick up the game and also that multigaming clans would consider picking up a ET team.


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already had this in mind, only problem is coding + huge amount of noshows (and prizes).
that is also current issue tbh but delete those teams and you will get a maybe small league but with active players and teams wich do promote te game and make it possible to make lans pick up the game.

This concept is good for everyone tbh it makes it more intresting to pick up at lans and also lan creaters can get maybe more sponsers and so on.

But it needs to get changed anyway now it is just chaos and no structure at all.
This is just my idea.
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noshows -> relegation :)
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New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)
Also this will kill most of the "We just make a team for cups only".




no just no..... (I would never get pocals from 9th div anymore:<
tldr

fuck off already, was nothing wrong with ET in last months before someone started to change it again pointlessly

just play the godamn game simple as that
just play the godamn game simple as that

+1
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actually theres serious lack of competitions for many years already but i guess its normal for a dead game like ET so nobody really cares about it
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i support this!
New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)
Also this will kill most of the "We just make a team for cups only".


wouldnt work....people change teams like underwear
well it is kinda also to whipe them out cause they are oftend screwing up the games for others and some teams just wanna have fun and dont wanna meet teams that need to be on a high rank.

But the teams poping and dropping is the ET of today and we need to get rid of that mentalety.

you just got to see on that rule to get rid of the rotten apples ;)
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idk, sounds to me like he's trying to come up with a system similar to that which was used by CAL in North America. Open (lowest division) always had people changing teams and teams coming and going, but all the divisions above it had a commendably high degree of stability. This is largely thanks to "only time will reward your effort." I remember the CS team I had played with were in Main (2nd highest div) for several seasons before going inactive for two. When we returned, despite only adding one person to the lineup (me) and keeping the core largely identical, the league dropped us back to Open and forced us to work our way up again.

That said, it might be a bit boring for the better teams but I think that really does encourage more stability. Everyone is trying to work their way up to the top league and it really is a cumulative thing.

For the record, 8 week rotations... give it half a year and a true "pro" team will be at the top again. People think this is unfair to the highskillers, but honestly, what's the difference between a highskilled team falling apart in 2 weeks and a lowskilled team doing the same? Here's the only answer I could come up with: one is publicized, the other just adds to the "dead in 2 wks" meme.
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then i have 0 chance to join a skilled team when im cless :/
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Small lineup changes can be allowed between seasons, but yeah if you're cless in the middle of a rotation then sadly you're out of luck =(
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dont know if they used there but it is rly the meaning of making ppl getting more dedicated to a team wich wil result in many dedicated teams and lots of intresting battles but also for the promotion of the game and make it more intresting to pick the game up for lan and sponsers then i think this system is pretty good for those goals.
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it's certainly a cool idea, I think if you ironed out all the little problems it could potentially work!
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well tbh i dont see problems it`s more ppl making a drama to get fast on a higher lvl like always.
If your around since day one you know the drills ;)
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- New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)

lol
Great read, post this as a column.
now look what you did
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What we need is new maps, but real crossfires/teamplay able maps, exactly the opposite of this delivery shit.
No offense but all the the rest is just mental masturbation.
- New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)

So your saying a new team with best players n shit must start in bottom league taking them in excess of 9 years to reach were they should be ?
YES it will learn ppl to be more dedicated to a team and starting to understand the real meaning of what a team is.

And for good players it aint a porb they will be back on top withing 2 yrs or so even faster.
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Just for an example. Say colt45 were in bottom league when they started how do ya think the competiton in that league would be affected? the idea of leagues is so you can play with your own skill. You also say it would take 2 years to get back to the top league, but theres 9 divisions, so surely it would take much longer :>. Some nice ideas but et wouldnt last to long with you in charge ;)
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first i didnt say nothing about divisions but yeah they will start bottom cause i still find teams have to show that they belong on the top and also with seasons you make them sharp and focused to stay on top of it.

And ETTV will be back more fun to watch think about it lastt war of season nr 1 and nr 2 batteling for seaonal win i think it is kinda a nice match then cause it is all or nothing.
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You want to put highskillers under the new name in 9th division? That's insane. What about the lowskillers? Did you think about them?
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well if there is a 3 cups each season (Spring, Summer, Fall) so it takes only 3 year to promote to 1st league ;x
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New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)
Also this will kill most of the "We just make a team for cups only".

i dont fully agree with sentence above.

if a bunch of highskillers make a new team they have to start at the bottom league?. Not fair for the people that really belong there. with the rest i agree
read above :) the normal guys wont rly mind it cause next season they are rid of them so i dont see the problem there tbh.
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I'm quite sure that each season a new team will sign up that doesn't belong in that league at all still killing those divisions.

+ If 3 highskilled teams sign up then at least one of them will be stuck in that divisions for another season :S
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well it will get on there nerves as well to always start bottom so in the end they will try to stick more together so it depends on how you look at the situation.

The point is to make ppl awake for the part to become more loyal to a team then just random hopping.
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Yeah, but the lowest division is supposed to be for the weakest teams in the cup... I'm quite sure there will at least be one team each season that will sign up there that is better than them, which doesn't change the actual problem written here concerning the lower divisions.
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Then tell me are you an open minded person or just a close minded one?
Cause all you see is trouble where i dont see any actual problems.
You vieuw is way different then me concerning that so called problem in time this problem solved itself.
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I disagree... Even though people may keep on claiming how dead ET is, it's still being actively played by numbers in the thousands and that's just counting the people that occasionally play a war...

The game still draws old players back and new players in. This trend will go upwards further when it finds a suitable anticheat, which hopefully will be SLAC. A team of 20 people is quite pointless, therefore the newer (or older) players will form new teams and will have to start of in the lower division while they might actually have the potential for much higher divisions.

That will never change, new teams will always be formed, you can't simply try to force people to stick together, they can change teams in between seasons anyway, possibly to a higher team? And you may debate that the skill will so move upwards still, but right across that image is the image that the top teams are used to playing with the team they have, they know each other and how they play, they'd only take new players if it is really needed...

So this measure is quite pointless and renders the lower divisions completely fun-less for those that don't have that much skill but enjoy playing competitive anyway.

To put it very simple: The average level of skill is without question higher than the skill that is played in the lower divisions. Therefore we're forced to conclude that there will always be teams there starting off with skill that does not belong there.

You believe it will change over time, but that's because you assume that, while the amount stays the same, it are also the same people playing competitive over and over again.

That assumption is wrong.

It's not a question of being openminded or not, it's a question of looking at the bigger picture.
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Clans are not active and motivated enough to play in seasons. Alot of clans die after one month. There's not enough money involved with et to get players motivated to stay active and playing for a decent team for a longer period (3 years the least?). The bottom league idea will create even more unbalanced leagues. Playing last league must be fun aswell for the teams playing on a lowskill level. Now we have, 8 (?) leagues. Taken that there are around 4 clanbase oc cups a year, it would take two years to get to the top for a new and skilled team.

Quote1 player for 1 team (imo you can only give a 100% effort for one team and also the team will grow by it cause you start to know eachother better and can predict little how your teammate reacts and this makes you stronger as a team)


Players are human. Given that this system would be perfect in theory, players get bored or sick of others in a clan, or decide that they need a step up because they are better/more active than other players in the team.


If there was more money and contracts involved this system would work, but under the current circumstances you can forget about this.
Well most stuff you write is ETs player mentality and imo they are just lazy and oftend up for the fast win wich makes things boring if you put this system in it you will have few shitty seasons but after it you will see it going nicely and ppl loving to play it again.

and for lowskils on the bottum if 1 match is vs high i dont think they will cry for that one match and also they are rid of them fast cause they will promote to a higher divison.

the meaning is simple every team needs to prove himself that they belong on the top a known nickname shouldnt be a ticket to EC NC OC or so you still got to battle to gain acces to those things and that makes the game more alive and fun to watch.

About that player thing if one guy thinks he is better he can leave you still can add backups and you can recruit a new one the major idea is to kill those i just create a team for that one cup and so on and i wanna be 3rd 2nd or 1st div etc.

PS it is also a good way to clean out the dead teams also.
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too tired to read all of that, if you read that i said players are lazy it's not true. People only care about the money. If there's more money > more players > more pro players > more room for a system like this
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The sure the 'committee' will sort it out.......





Will it fuck.
Quote- New teams must always enter in the bottom league no matter how known or good the guys are only time will reward your effort (idle didnt become good in one year they took time for it)
Also this will kill most of the "We just make a team for cups only".


For the bigger part I agree, but then you will get a team with EC players in the lowest group jsut because they are a new team. I suggest that IN THIS CASE you let them play a 'proving' match verus a team from the league they want to play in. They decide the group, season admin decides the team their up against.

Just to avoid some random jaymod team that plays for jokes having to play vs dignitas just because its a new lineup :P
I think he meant a completely new team with new name etc. You can add players in your team and remain in the same group.
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but look - where did these EC players come from? The team already playing in the competition collapsed and some of the players created another team -> so they have to start over.

Obviously, whent the competition starts, the most skilled teams will be put to the higher divisions. The rule says what happens after the first season finishes.
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who said they already played in that season, maybe its a team that does their first season playing under a new name.
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so why wouldnt these ec skillers join the competition at the beginning?

and if there are a few exceptions (like a skiller coming back to et, or anything else), they will have to go through all the divisions. i think it's fair that way. the point is to promote stability.

but we could think of some mechanisms that would make the process a bit faster for those skilled teams, if many people insisted.
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people still play ET?loool just come to play BFBC2!!
First of all we need a new anti-cheat! Then talk about leages etc.
this game is dead, and krosan did it
Actually, this is much better write-up than the recent column ^^
lol it was a kinda fast type but thnx for the comment ;)
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didnt read lol
nice that some ppl rly care about this game and think about the current (past) situation(s).. thx 4 your ideas but i can't agree with the thingy 1player 1 team because i share the same opinion as razzah does:

Quote by Razzahwouldnt work....people change teams like underwear
I agree with every single point, mate. Good Job!
With seasons you mean a system with different leagues ( 1st, 2nd, ... ) like in football right? Because I'd love that... would be more interesting and exciting for clans to see how steps up and down, but I kinda doubt this will happen.. unfortunately !
yes like soccer wise ;)
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yeah good idea, would love to see such a system
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1st slac
2nd new maps
3rd talk about the way of competitions
new anticheat is very much needed. every random has a cheat these days and if they are losing they just up the settings somewhat. you can only play the people you know or played before atm.
nice idea, cb just do it!
AND GET AN ANI CHEAT BACK!
so at first everyone should be in division 9, and there shouldn't be anyone in any higher division?
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