diet plan

hai /b/odybuilders,

is anyone able to offer me a halfway decent diet plan?
I mainly want to loose some fat percentage since I grew from 65 kilos to 81 in the last year. Eventho I gained some muscles my belly still is pretty big.

Because that does not compute with my abs training it would be perfect to loose some weight there (I just do crunches for my abs so another possibility beside sit-ups would be also welcomed)

I guess I currently eat around 4000cals a day including mostly unhealthy food because Iam on work like 11 hours a day and we just got a microwave there.

I thought about:

9.00 1 pretzel
11.00 2nd pretzel
13.00 eating vegetables (mostly raw stuff like carrots)
16.00 cereals with milk
19.15 tuna/chickenbreast or similar (Iam back home than)

but i highly doubt its a good plan ^^

thanks in advance!
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take efedra everyday:p
Me too. Needs more urtier in this journal.

E: Carbs =/= calories.
9.00 cheesburger
11.00 hamburger
13.00 large kebab
16.00 pizza
19.15 large chips
thats how my day looked so far D:
Parent
looks delicious
Parent
well I kept 65kilos on 1,83m for years because I did lots of sport but now I cant do anything because of the lack of time
Parent
65? :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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thats fucking skinny dude :D
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I know :D

was mainly cycling and playing soccer, nothign which leads to much muscles :D
Parent
try to replace food with alkohol. working on me :D
Parent
Very bad plan. Remove pretzels, add something like eggs and cottage cheese to your menu(you will learn to like it :D). Carrots are cool but they contain so little calories, they fill you up, but they are not enough to be a meal. You basically need to google and choose what you like. Check here for some advice: http://stronglifts.com/nutrition-101-definite-beginner-guide-healthy-nutrition/

gl
Cottage cheese, curd and tuna. God.. I can't see that stuff anymore. :-P
Parent
I actually like cottage cheese now :( Weird, I know.
Parent
isst du dann nur thunfisch ohne irgendwas dazu oder wie? ^^
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Jein. Thunfisch ist so ziemlich das beste was du quasi essen kannst. Billig, randvoll mit Eiweiß und wenig Kohlenhydrate und Fett (und wenn Fett nur gute Fettsäuren fast). Allerdings ist es teils auch sehr langweilig und trocken. Musst schon was dabei machen oder es anderweitig verarbeiten (z.B. in einem Omlette oder in Thunfischfrikadellen o.ä.)

Kannst mich im irc anschreiben, falls du noch mehr Infos haben möchtest (urtier)
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I need some help too.

1. what is pretzel?
2. vegetables, no way
3. cereals oh pls im not 6 anymore :D
4. only chicken-diet will it work????
suolarinkila
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2 weeks neutral -> calculate bmr -> start eating below -> cut carbohydrate accordingly -> have fat and protein as main food resource
don't take help over here, and i wouldn't recommend over the internet as well, there are many ways to lose fat, most knowingly carb cycling and anabolic diet (their main similarity is high fat and low carbs)
need to take care of vitamins as well which i can't follow, so sorry no one here can help you
9.00 rice
11.00 rice
13.00 rice
16.00 rice
19.15 sushi ?
waki you're stupid, try reading lyle protocole and realize how you know jack shit
Sport > *
i lost 7 kg even with eating what i wanted to.
so no need for a strict diet.
well 80kg for 189cm is normal.
and btw i could easily beat you up ;)
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1,90 / 90+ was möchtest?
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und trotzdem np :P
wer ist der fatty? xD
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Du prolly he? Wenn man 7 kg nur durch ein bissl Sport verliert..

Ich bin mehr so der breit gebaute, braun gebrannte, 100kilo Hantelbank drückende Typ, y0.
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:D:D:D
türkische welle alta!
nee kein bisschen sport - sondern hochleistungssport ;)
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deine nördbrille wiegt auch schon 20kg mit den glasscheiben drin o/
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Junge, das ist 1a Isolierglas 4/20/4 mm, liegt wie schnitte auf meinem Höcker.
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no time have to work
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ohh okay - so try to eat as less carbs as possible.
more proteins.
you could try the typical alexL food - tho it tastes really bad.
Parent
maybe you could also concentrate on drinking the right stuff. Water has nearly no calories so it s perfect and better than cola and other stuff.
Parent
Water has 0 calories actually and the body needs about 100 calories to "burn" 1 liter of it :)
Parent
ohh okay didn't know the part with the calorie burning
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Breakfast: Good carbs and fruits (whole wheat products or muesli (not those wannabe fit breakfast flakes though, they contain way too much sugar))

5 hours break (no snacks and sugary drinks either, just plain tea, coffee or water)

Lunch: Anything you like (shouldn't go for kebab or pizza each day though), can also have a little dessert

5 hours break (no snacks and sugary drinks either, just plain tea, coffee or water)

Dinner: Only proteins, no carbs at all (meat + vegetables, or cheese etc.)

Since you seem to be German: Google "Schlank im Schlaf" for more information.

Sounds stupid but it's working perfectly. Plus you won't have any lack of vitamins etc. and won't suffer from hunger attacks since you can eat a lot and still lose weight pretty easily.
i need to eat at least every 3 hours because else I will fall asleep at work :<
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You're not eating enough then. You should have so much for breakfast especially that it's enough for the whole morning until you reach lunch time.

It's all about the insulin level. Once you eat it will go up and your body doesn't burn fat when that's the case. So the break will help to lower it again so you actually burn the calories and fat during that time.

Just google this Schlank im Schlaf, there are multiple books and pages about it and I can say 100% for sure that it is working and that it is pretty easy compared to other diets. Especially since you have to eat, if you don't eat, it won't work.
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youre right, that does sound stupid
Parent
Seems to be a pretty straight forward guide from just reading a few lines. I like it!

E: not really into the calorie counting but I guess after a few weeks you just know how much kcal each thing contains and can easily avoid stuff :)
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ye you get used to it pretty fast also i lost 36kg when i was on a calorie deficit , feels good man
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Start smoking
pm HUMM3L
seriously people here have no clue about how to eat...

you dont need to ONLY eat 3 times a day, you can eat 8 times a day if you want, but understand that if you want to lose weight you need to burn more calories than you take in

nutritionists and trainers generally recommend 5-6 small meals a day to keep your blood sugar at an even rate through out the day so your body keeps burning calories at an even rate as well
you are right, 5 is what I do, and yes 5 or 6 is the recommended thing.
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09:00 eat a toast
12:00 eat ur lunch
18:00 eat ur dinner

go to the gym ,quit et , sport

pushups + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg_FrhUaSls

i have a nice body ect just with home training and when i will be 16 im going to the gym
try it :)
eat what you like but do smthing to burn it...
u arent even 16 and ure saying u have a nice body? oh pls its not hard at that age.
Parent
true but on my holiday here i see allot of fat people on my age and i mean sixpack and stuff :p
Parent
google anabolic diet and don't listen to these retards
So basically a super low carb diet with a refeed period over the weekend.

I especially like the use of the word "retard(s)". Somewhat strange that a few of those retards even successfully lost weight with their way of eating (referring to Clown, myself and unframed (if he's saying the truth!)).

I even suggested "my diet" to a few ppl here on crossfire and other friends and they successfully reduced their weight as well. Haven't heard anyone complaining.
Maybe those "retards" aren't as retarded as you think.
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from 121kg to 84.5kg ... wasnt jokin

while i have to say i skipped white rice , and pasta so pretty much i was on a low carb . ofc skipped junkfood,candies and softdrinks and also started to run every second day

lookin at the past i should have skipped running though , HIIT + liftin weightz is far superior
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In what time? I lost those 50 kgs in ~ 17 months now and I think that's still in the "healthy" time limit. Atleast so far I don't have too many problems with left over skin.

And how come you wouldn't recommend cardio? Cause I actually wanted to start a little running 2-3 times a week soon and add that to the weight lifting routines I'm doing every second day.
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8 month and i did alot of running like close to 10km every 2 days ... after i switched to bodyweightexercises i couldnt even do 1 proper push up or weighted squat ... yet i could when i was way heavier all in all i felt more like a scrawny faggot :< cardio isnt bad just inactive like most calories are gettin burned due to the increased breathing rate not due to useage of muscles etc also slow steady cardio CAN cannibalize muscle tissue

for more concrete info:

http://www.fitness-nutrition-weightloss.com/is-your-cardio-a-waste-of-time.html
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Haha, sorry. I didn't really read the comments, who could blame me after the sw1ruz/AlexL style journals here, it's redicoules..

I dunno about this schlank im schlaf diet but it's probably pretty much the same or some altered variation.. In the end it's all about getting your body to produce the maximum ammount of "growth hormones" (I say this term very losely) it can to aid you in whatever your goal is, be it muscle gain or weight loss. In the end it comes down to DISCIPLINE anyways, pretty much any known diet will work if you follow it through precisly, if they're healthy on the other hand is a different story..

I really don't want to get into a dicussion about this but I do want to congratulate your success, I know the sacrifice it takes. Keep it up.
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apart from a good diet which of course is really important, what you should do is some aerobic exercises, run, bicycle etc.

eat a lot of fibre and fruit and drink a lot of water.

like Insti says, dont listen to any of these retards, take advice of someone with knowledge or ask for al personalized diet.
cardio / aerobic activities are actually shit and i hate myself for doin them in the past :<
Parent
sorry but you are wrong, they are as important and necessary as diet.
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sorry you are wrong

Long, slow to moderate intensity cardio training is useless the calories you burn are not coming from the "longtime useage of the muscle" its more like from breathing faster etc ... if you start joggin for example and you can run like 3km the first day and like 15km a month later -> the most ppl think its due to the increasing stamina but infact you muscles are just workin more economic and waste less energy ...

HIIT > Most Cardio exercises
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and again you are wrong.

First of all I didn't mention the speed.
To burn calories you will do it after 25 mins or 30 of running, bicycle etc, depending on the speed but you definetly burn calories when your body runs out of resources and starts burning them. Breathing has to be something natural and constant.

You can't tell me or anyone seriously cardio exercises are a waste of time to loose weigh cause they are basic and needed, of course together with a good diet.

The key in cardio is to change the speed from time to time, change excercises, sprints etc never let the body get used to it... so now I see why it didn't work for you apart from the known benefits for your heart.
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iam wrong with what :o ?

i never said you dont burn calories when you are running , ofc you do ... also you burn calories with the first step you do , not only after 30 minutes

and ye you are right if you change or increase the intensity iam talkin about steady mid paced cardio like running.

probably i cant express what i mean properly so:

http://www.fitness-nutrition-weightloss.com/is-your-cardio-a-waste-of-time.html
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Here's a plan,
1. remove unhealthy food from diet
2. eat healty
3. ????
4. Profit

Less saturated fats, more aerobic excercise and you're there.
Haha seit wann bist du so 'dick'? :D Warst doch auch immer Spargeltarzan?
I'm not going to provide more information about a good diet, but if you want your abs to grow you should threat them like any other muscle and to weighted abs excercises, it really helped me.
Lol's bodybuilders, let's see you run a marathon :D
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