Slac needs more transparency
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14 Aug 2010, 10:04
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Hi dear community,
SLAC has been forced on CB, but what do we know about slac? ANYTHING.
I have slac on my comp, but i wonder if it's a good idea. NOBODY apart from chalpja himself has seen his code (thought that hannes did it as KB stated but that's not true).
We want to see this mysterious contract between SL and chalpja.
We want that well known and trusted players with high coding skills check slac in depth.
We want to be sure at 100% that slac is malware free.
And after that, maybe people will trust slac.
SLAC has been forced on CB, but what do we know about slac? ANYTHING.
I have slac on my comp, but i wonder if it's a good idea. NOBODY apart from chalpja himself has seen his code (thought that hannes did it as KB stated but that's not true).
We want to see this mysterious contract between SL and chalpja.
We want that well known and trusted players with high coding skills check slac in depth.
We want to be sure at 100% that slac is malware free.
And after that, maybe people will trust slac.
i don't exactly consider introducing slac "fucking up the game"?
I couldn't agree more.
Make this a column.
And there's nothing odd in any of the above.
You run, as you say, "malicious software" all the time - you're running some right now, actually. And you're happy with it.
Where the fuck does this "SLAC IS MALWARE" -idea even come from? You could with the same logic say that "RtCW IS MALWARE" or "GAMEGUARD IS MALWARE" or "PUNKBUSTER IS MALWARE". How the fuck does programming aimbots for a fucking game relate to making malware (netCoders will not be accepted as an argument because they're fags)? Get real.
OP is a fag.
Sue Microsoft, sue Evenbalance, sue your AV.
But sue Speedlink? You could, if there was a contract. But have u seen that contract? For sure not. And sueing chaplja would be the most stupid thing you could do.
How would it be stupid?
Of course his website is far from finished at the moment. Also, if it was necessary, his identity could be easily found by contacting his ISP with necessary evidence of him doing something illegal.
Btw..
If u dont know how Hacks working, how do you want to detect them or make them useless?
In my eyes everyone who says NO to SLAC, says YES to Cheats.
What about Linux users?
"And sueing chaplja would be the most stupid thing you could do. "
"How would it be stupid?"
Me as a german knows that SpeedLink are the guys to sue :)
go boycott it, we don't need idiots. you don't realize what you risk by even connecting to the internet and still you are browsing it everyday. what a fucking pity hypocrite you are..
This is an open discussion, you don"t have to be rude neither aggressive.
But let me guess: angry child with spot on your face? You hate the world?
- SLAC is made by some random n3rd.
see the difference?
http://chicago.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/cg052710.htm
Doctor Burneddi: You know what? Chemo is not working on this patient, lets stop the treatment on all.
Don't force a beta, when definite version is out, send to the anti virus :) (will be fine probably :D) and then force it :)
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OP is indeed, a fag
Chalpja is a well known cheat coders for several game, i won't trust his work until i see from my proper eyes this contract betweeen him and SL.
If I cheat in monopoly when I play it with my friends, should I be jailed because I could rob a fucking bank?
You go to a shady shop in a dark alleyway to buy booze. You buy booze, later you notice that the bottle in fact contains piss, not booze. With your logic every bottle of booze in every shop now contains piss instead of booze.
Also they're the only cheat developers who do this as far as I know - or well, Pansefuckl is. Rshook doesn't contain that kind of shit I think.
1) There is money in this.
2) Releasing the source would make it a ton easier for cheaters to crack open this nut.
Giving it out to even just one person is risky. Trust me (or chaplja), it's best to keep it private.
Appropriate antivirus whitelisting will be done when it's ready - the program will be sent to antivirus companies for inspection. It would make no sense to do it now as it's only a beta and will likely be changed, which would mean that it would have to be sent over to the antivirus guys yet again.
Also guessing that once chalpja releases slac-proof cheats he can easily make some money.
How can we ever trust a cheatcoder in creating a anti-cheat program with sharing the code with anyone.
Anyhow, there is no way to know how to counter cheats without having experience with them. Same goes for antiviruses and security experts in general.
Besides, when searching all these exploits and such, Chaplja was just trying to help the community and those who wish to fix them - he ~always included detailed information about how the exploit (or cheat) worked and often information on how to fix it. It could be called "white hat hacking".
Do you think that it's normal that there is NO TRANSPARENCY AT ALL between SL, chalpja and the community?
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can u please get the fuck out with this stupid comments? he will terrorize your PC, indeeeeeeeeeeeed!
I trust more hannes than chalpja.
No, actually I don't care about you. And I won't even react on your cheap attempts to anger me. The only child in this journal are you, the one whose spreading propaganda.
well if you guys don't want to believe me, well that's your choice, i won't force you, but i'm the only guy apart from chaplja who can confirm it.
If for example we release the list today, the busted player(s) will tell their mates that they used "x" bot, so the word will keep on spearing that "x" bot is detected on SLAC, and then there will be no more busts, cos ppl are afraid of cheating on SLAC, and even now it shows, real cheaters are scared to cheat, because they don't want to ruin their reputation.
The list will be shown to everyone, but I don't know when, that's in chaplja's hands to decide (and maybe me, if I have a good reason to), but for now we cannot publish the list without the new slac site (which is coming soon).
e: if its coming soon - cool yet i still belive that few busts of randoms using public bots would boost slac's reputation
http://slac.chaplja.net/faq.php
be a prick to me one more time to me, and you i won't let you play in any cup i host.
now go away etx customer and stop replying to me cos its destroying braincells.
and still i honestly believe it will lak of efficiency...
But my bad i'll read next time mr.SHERLOCK
Or where all the people on this 'banlist' playing 1on1 vs you?
How does slac bust?
You don't. SLAC uses silent detections, meaning cheaters are caught, but banned later. Sometimes they'll be banned the same day, sometimes a week later, sometimes a month later. Depends from case to case and the amount of caught people. If a caught cheater will change the progress of a running tournament, such bans will take priority and may be exceptions (thus being applied and user being banned sooner than others caught on public servers).
After silent detections are applied, cheaters' accounts get suspended and are displayed on the public banlist which is available to everyone.
Suspended accounts are banned for 12 months by the SLAC system. Server and league admins cannot lower the ban, but can make it longer or permanent through a cvar that will be available in the server addon (which is not released yet).
In addition to this, accounts get marked as cheaters forever. The 'cheater' mark will not be removed after 12 months, but they may be able to join SLAC servers after 12 months if the server or league admin allows it.
more question are answered here: http://slac.chaplja.net/faq.php
when the beta period is over, your wish will be granted
what difference could it make?
yes i want to see uv-moviemaker's source code because i think there is a trojan in it, i don't trust him! [...]
(i'm sure you stated that in a journal comment, i haven't invent it)
i remember having seen journals about avast detecting it as a virus but when i installed slac 2 or 3 days ago there was no reaction by avast =)
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i like slac, don't care about the sourcecode being public (how retarded would that be) or the contract.
the only thing that bothers me is, that you can't "force" it in pracs vs some randoms and even if you look for a slac game some random hackers just won't use it and complaining about it will take so much time and they still usually won't use it so i don't even bother any more.
gtfo
I'm not against slac and i don't call for a major boycott. I just beg for more transparency, more information.
sweedy said that slac will be send to 46 anti-vir company, that's the best thing he had to do. And i'm pretty sure that evryone will agree that if slac is whitelisted, there is NO REASON A ALL to not use slac.
who cares if its malware? u have to open it when u want to use it, u close the game and slac is closing too, whats ur problem than? pb is running since startup and scans the whole time.. did u whine about this? do u know if pb is not maybe collecting some userdata? - oh wait its company, they just can be noble and never would be able even to think about such evil things! u wanted to see the contract between pb and activision? - guess not, so why care here so hard?
only thing i rly dislike on slac is, that u see the id ingame but to whome is this id related too? slac needs a published list, with id and registered name to it, so u can see who ur playing against, it cant be in any interest to always look on cb if the id is maybe registered there. ofc if someone calls himself "asdfgh" u arent any smarter, but for the most situations u would be enlightened.
i also agree that the source code have to be kept secret from players, it would be easily bypass if it wasn't the case.
But the KB idea to send slac to anti-vir company is great, why would he just send it to 2 or 3 main company for the moment?