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yeah but u have to pay much more for everything so its not that much if u live over there ^^

well u gotta pay taxes, so actually there isnt that much left after taxes.

I have no idea, I am but a poor student feeding of your taxes.

nooooo minimum for 15y is like 2.5/around 2.8 for 16 / 3 for 17/ 4.5 18 or smth :D

The older you are the longer youve been working and the more experienced you are.. thats what I think

I guess its kinda obvious if you just started working then you wont earn as much as one who is working for years :P

But seriously 2/3 € / hour in hungary? thats fucking little, but I guess things dont cost as much then also?

Because they can mainly - you could justify it by [generally] younger people having lesser outgoings (i.e most live at home no bills etc) & being unskilled - but mainly it seems a compromise to appease business & exploit and discriminate against young people.

Just to expand a little on wages generally - Britain is fairly unique in Europe in having a large pay differential between different regions known as the north / south divide [difference of about £90 p/w gross (105 euro)) (afaik the only real comparison would be east / west Germany though I understand that's changing). The average wage in the UK as a whole is around £24.5k.

Though the fact I find most interesting is that the UK government defines £7.50 p/h (approx £15,500) as the 'living wage' - you'll notice the huge difference between the living wage & the minimum wage!

An increasing problem imo in the UK labour market is the use of temporary / agency workers - of which there's a large proportion of younger people working. It gives the employee very little job security & removes their rights to things such as company pensions, promotions, incrimental pay increases, unions etc. In areas such as the north where companies are increasingly recruiting like this people are left with very little real options.

Jobs like McDonalds / KFC etc do usually pay around the minum wage but your average unskilled manual labour job will pay around £7 p/h (just over 8 euro) - for this we're talking warehouse / call centre / labourer / delivery driver etc whereas the average semi-skilled job is around double that.

British Youth Council campaign document...

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What is the situation now for young people?

In 1998 the UK Government made the National Minimum Wage law in order to make sure that employees in the UK are provided with “decent minimum standards and fairness in the workplace”. The National Minimum Wage is the minimum hourly rates of pay that employers can offer across the UK, so it is the lowest amount you can legally be paid.

At the moment there is a three-tiered system that means that workers get paid a different rate of the National Minimum Wage depending on your age.

The three rates of the National Minimum Wage (from 1 October 2009 to the present) are:


£5.80 per hour for workers aged 22 years and older. This rate is called the
adult rate.

£4.83 per hour for workers aged 18 to 21 years. This rate is called the youth
development rate.

·£3.57 per hour for all workers aged 16 to 18, who no longer have to be at
school. This rate is called the youth rate.

Almost everyone working legally in the UK is entitled to the National Minimum Wage.
However, at the moment apprentices age under the age of 19, and those over 19 in their first year, are not entitled to the National Minimum Wage. If they are ‘employed’ Apprentices (their employer is registered with the Learning and Skills Commission) they receive a lump sum of £95 a week.

The National Minimum Wage rates are set by the UK Government. However, there is an independent public body, the Low Pay Commission (LPC), which advises the Government every year on what the rates should be. The LPC use surveys, data, research projects and many other forms of evidence from a variety of sources to make recommendations on wage rates to Government. The LPC has to research how changing the rates will affect people’s pay and their jobs.

After looking at the LPC’s yearly report the Government then makes an announcement about the rates of the National Minimum Wage. In 2009 the Government made a commitment to ensuring 21 year olds receive the adult rate of National Minimum Wage from October 2010. It also asked the LPC to look into developing an Apprentice National Minimum Wage.

Why is equal pay for equal work important to young people?

The current Minimum Wage discriminates on age.

The three-tiered system means young workers on the National Minimum Wage get paid a lot less than older workers for doing the same job. 16 and 17 year olds on the Minimum Wage earn 38% less than those aged over 22 who are paid the Minimum Wage. This means workers paid the adult rate of the Minimum Wage earn £312.20 more for a month’s work than colleagues aged 16 to 17 doing the same job. BYC believes it is discriminatory to pay someone less for the same job because of their age. The National Minimum Wage is the lowest amount someone can be paid so it should be equally applied to workers, whatever their age.

Young people rely on Minimum Wage jobs to get by.

Young people aren’t just working in Minimum Wage jobs for pocket money. Over 60% of 16 to 21 year olds work in low paying jobs compared with just 30% of those over 22. Many of these young people still have the same living costs as adults such as rent, bills, food and transport. Research by BYC ‘Weathering the Recession’ (January 2009) found that half of young people said bill payments have become more of an issue for either themselves or their parents/carers/guardians. A lot of students use Minimum Wage jobs to support themselves whilst studying at college or university. Almost half (46%) of working students rely on paid work to fund their basic living expenses (National Union of Students, 2008). Often due to low pay students have to work longer hours, which has a negative impact on their academic study.

Young people deserve work and fair pay.

A common justification for the three-tiered system of the Minimum Wage is that paying young people less gives them a greater chance getting hired. Although research has found that the impact of removing the youth rates might be minimal (Unite research in Low Pay Commission Report 2009), it can also be argued that it is not fair to pay a group in our society less to ensure their employment. Instead of protecting young people, tiered pay brackets actually lead to young people being seen as cheap labour.

In particular, with the exemption of young Apprentices from the Minimum Wage, it has been demonstrated how low pay also has the potential to decrease the quality of work-based training experiences for young people and become a strong factor within a decision not to complete training. It is often not disillusionment with their Apprenticeships in particular, or training in general, that causes young people to leave their placements. Instead the reason can often be better pay or prospects outside the Apprenticeship (Apprenticeship Taskforce, 2005).

What needs to happen?

BYC believes all prospective parliamentary candidates (PPCs), people running for election in the General Election 2010, need to commit to lobbying for the removal of the three-tiered system based on age and creating an equal National Minimum Wage for everyone aged over 16, once they are elected. Apprentices should also be made included in the National Minimum Wage framework.

would you want to pay anything for a random youngster coming to work for you firm? or would you instead prefer random grown-up?

welcome to estonia

Cmon, average wage after taxes is like how much in hungary? 400 euro? If prices would be the same how on earth would anyone be able to rent an appartment in Hungary? For 400 euro you won't find anything here..

http://www.filolog.com/costofliving.html
And are the prices on this site representative? beer is 0,8€, here it's 2€ in a bar or more; cinema ticket is around 10 euro here, in hungary 5 euro, etc...

Ok, I know our purchasing power is a lot higher then hungary but I don't think prices are at the same level as here.

already went to Budapest and its rly cheaper ;) smth like 10-30% cheaper (depends on the stuff u buy)

ye i thought you thought i meant every taxes in generall :DD

ye thats the way it is in germany. but what might be interesting to know and should be added: you can only have one such job. your earnings would be added if you got another one of those 400€ jobs and you'd have to pay taxes on the complete income. pretty logic though.

why did he have blue waffles then ? >:s

All I do is scan boxes and put them on an assembly line. Everyone can do that (well, males, cos the boxes can be pretty heavy and women suck at lifting heavy stuff 8 hours in a row)...

1300 €/h is my expected net monthwage and that's pretty low (it's the minimum wage for people with a temporary contract) for Belgian standards. I'm happy with it though, don't really need much more.