almost noone in this sports (at least the professionals) is clean, otherwise they wouldn`t even be able to compete with the rest.
they are just a few drivers u could say they are clean, but they always end up being severals hours behind the top in every major race.
Yeah, like 60% in ET cheats. Jesus, stop these ridiculously bold claims based on nothing. What do you base your claim upon? Which FACTS lead you to believe that?
Which facts are your base for your assumption they all are clean? :O
Past has prooven the majority is dodgy as fuck and the so called "tests" have been proofen to be unactive due to the fact that it would ruin the sport even more if more get busted :). None of the last 5 winners has been clean and as we can assume that the helpers and other possible winners and their teams are also using the same stuff so that would be the majority. Facts aint given due to a corrupt testing system.
I never said they're all clean. There are ALWAYS cheaters in EVERY game/sport, but I refuse to jump the bandwagon and claim everybody is doped because that is simply not true.
And to answer your claim, only 1 winner has actually been caught the last 5 years. Contador is not busted, Carlos Sastre neither and Rasmussen was not removed for dope but for misinformation concerning his whereabouts. He has never been caught.
All your opinion is based upon is subjective criteria.
Apparantly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't say this shit. Let me guess, your stepfather was one of those clean riders who always finished hours after the winner of a race.
A jealous and frustrated ex-racer, what a reliable source. Yes, you certainly know what you're talking about.
no, he was an amateur (not even frustrated he won tons of medals and stuff), driving several times with the professionals to practice.
20 years ago everyone told him its usual to dope(to make it even more obvious, just for you, im talking about the professionals), and i think its even worse today.
SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THERE ARE LIKE 10000 POSITIVE TEST EVERY FUCKING SEASON???
the rest that was negativ just has a new thing which is not detecable YET.
so stop being an idiot, gimme proofs or shut the fuck up
mine is not, but obviously yours is.
i like your naive believe in the good of those men, but its just not like that
So your "I know what I'm talking about" is not even based on facts, it's based on hearsay from 20 years ago. That's priceless. Especially considering the many changes cyclism has gone through in those 2 decades. Everything has become so much more specialized you just can't compare the two times.
There are no 1000000 positive tests every season. This season there was a total of 12 riders caught in the peloton, of which one was a relatively big name: Mosquera. 12 out of 600+ is ridiculously low.
And don't use the "they use stuff that can't be detected yet" cos that's bullshit. That might be true for the more succesfull cyclists, but the majority of the peloton just can't pay the undetected stuff because mediocre cyclists don't earn much.
Why do I have to give proof? You're the one claiming they all cheat so you have to proof they cheat, unless you do they remain innocent. That's how it works in W-Europe.
par·a·noid (pr-noid)
adj.
1. Relating to, characteristic of, or affected with paranoia.
2. Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others
Definition number 2 applies to you. Extreme and irrational distrust of cyclist in general.
yeah finally u know what it means. and as u can see my statement is based on a FACT (dont believe things have changed by now, i guess its even worse now. as u can see there actually ARE cyclers being busted, i cant remember anybody being busted 20 years ago) hence the definition is far away from my point of view. well, apart from that i dont even care that they do what they do, which makes me even less paranoid. nontheless my statement wasn`t even extreme or aggressive in any way... trust me, i have a good education in psychology..
your statement is based on information given by television/society...
sad story bro, have a good one
"Seit 1999 offiziell dokumentiert ist ein Doping-Befund von Lance Armstrong während der Tour de France 1999, der zusammen mit 16 anderen Fahrern einen ungewöhnlichen Kortikoid-Wert in einem zehn Tage vor der Tour neu eingeführten Test aufwies und mit einem nach dem Test eingereichten Rezept erklärt wurde. Obwohl die Satzung bei dieser Art Vergehen eine Strafe für den betroffenen Fahrer vorsieht, blieb dieser Befund folgenlos."
German Wiki - thought it is in the other list as well..
nevertheless a "I want to believe" picture would be appropriate right now....
I guess the only thing which can actually help the sport to get back on the ground is to stop watching this shit. Less viewer interest will result in less money inside of the corrupted system. Less money will lead to less pressure on the athletes to perform that impossible as they have to do now. It's just inhuman what all those never-heard-ofs all of the sudden do at those tours...Going back to the roots of a fair competition which is actually DOABLE is the only way to rescue the sport.
...but even then it keeps being unbelievably boring. :(
Actually I've heard of him, because of the Fuentes-scandal. But hey...he's surely clean, isn't he? :)
I've nvr particularly followed the cycling scene, but the "superstars" rise pretty fast in this sport, isn't it like that? There are always some new talents all of the sudden winning important tours - at least that's what I get from it.
Apart of that...Even if it's not true, my point stays the same.
They don't, your opinion is based on false facts and thus discardable.
Don't bother expressing your opinion if you know jack shit about the sport and only know some bits due to the sensation attentionwhoring of some newspapers.
Dude, calm down. If you look at the doping history over the last decade, cycling is one of the sports with the most doping cases - and particularly prominent ones, too. That's a fact, which might be outlined very deeply by sensation news, but still remains a fact!
But I guess you're just frustrated, because the sport you seem to support strongly, keeps getting a bad reputation.. Don't blame the newspapers, blame the top-notch cyclists who get caught!
..and don't even bother me telling that the Clenbuterol was just randomly in his blood. :D ...besides those plastic molecules used in transfusion materials. :)
His story about the meat is very plausible, especiually because of the ultra low amount of it in his blood. Concerning the plastics I have no opinion because it is pure speculation and not fact.
Wouldn't be the first time the newspaper is wrong.
If athletics would be tested as much as cyclism, I think you'd be in for a shock. Yet it would be stupid to deny cyclism knows many cheaters. It's true, but it's understandable in a way because cyclism must be one of the hardest and most difficult sports in the world.
There are more nonames caught than prominent cyclists, but you only know about the prominent ones because you don't have interest in the sport and thus don't get to read about the nonames who usually only get a few lines, while cases like Contador and Armstrong get 10 pages devoted to them.
I'm not frustrated about the bad reputation, I'm frustrated about uneducated idiots thinking they know everything about the sport who go ranting every cyclist is doped, which is certainly not true. Cyclists like Tom Boonen, Philippe Gilbert, Cadel Evans, Vincenzo Nibali, Fabian Cancellara, Mark Cavendish, Tyler Farrar, Jurgen vanden Broeck, Samuel Sanchez, Ivan Basso (yes, he's a returned cheater) don't cheat, and all are prominent cyclists and coloured this season.
Ofc you only get to know about the prominent ones, hence they are prominent. The fact that many other cyclists are busted, doesn't make the case much better, does it?
Ofc athletics has the the same problems, because it's as easily corrupted as cycling.
My information isn't from any Yellow Paper shit, it's from one of the serious news shows in Germany. Ofc you don't have to swallow every bit from their news, but it isn't pure speculation either. Face it that you are a fan of a sport, which is deeply corrupted by doping and don't try to defend it in that case. It makes you look ridiculous tbh.
Guess what source your trustworthy German TV-show used, yes, the newspaper. Which brings us back to my argument.
And here we go again: "deeply corrupted". What do you base that upon? A few prominent cyclists who got "caught" (because Contador, despite the accusations still hasn't been caught). Wow, impressive reasoning.
As I told other people numerous times, yes, there's dope in cyclism. But it isn't rampaging through the whole peloton like you and other uneducated people claim.
On a side note: They claim to investigate in this case by themselves as one of the federal tv stations in Germany. Yes, I'd like to believe what they are saying and won't let their reputation down, just because a random cyclist fan wants to be a smartass.
Even the WADA is concerned about the behaviour of the UCI and don't want to underestimate the findings - even if the clenbuterol found in his blood was a low amount. It's a fucking known doping substance - how big is the possibility that just those get to eat "poisoned" meat, who are fucking faster than everyone else? Would you eat some meat which brought a "friend" into the camp when you're in the fucking Tour de France?
You can still claim that he hasn't been "caught", tho he obviously IS caught, he's just not banned yet, because the UCI is a silly bunch of pussies which doesn't rly try to fight doping - and we're back to my starting point that the expectations to the cyclists are just insanely high. Guess, why the WADA is interested in this case? Guess, why the Spanish Cycling Union didn't really investigate the Fuentes case to his bottom? Because the UCI is fucking corrupted - and YES, I DO get this from the news, where else? Are you a member of the UCI council with insider information?
You can still claim that he's innocent, but don't call this silly "I believe in him" more reasonable than the conclusion that he doped. I case you haven't noticed yet: You are on the "Santa Claus is real" side, and I'm on the scientific side based on facts, which you don't want to accept.
Caught has the connotation he has been tried and convicted, which is not the case here.
And for somebody who claims to be using scientifical proven facts, you ignore some other scientific proven facts that counter your arguments. Like the amount that was found from a product that stays in your body for weeks in a cyclist that get's tested every single day. If it wasn't in his blood the day before, it's from an intake on the day itself. And the intake was of such a limited amount that it could NOT have been used to hide certain blood dope or something. So what is the only plausible explanation? Yes, bad meat.
No idea why you put friend between ""'s, as far as I know he's a doctor and a trusted friend from Contador. Why wouldn't you trust someone like that?
And if everything from that news show is investigated through their own means, why is every fucking thing you say the same as was published in sensationalist newspapers days before?
Don't bother answering, I don't care about how you feel towards Contador and cyclism in general. If it makes you happy to think everyone is doped and it's one fucked up world, be my guest. I won't watch less races because of it, nor will I look at the riders differently.
Yes, because we know that blood doping isn't used at all by cyclists. :) Maybe the blood he had in his system the day before the testing wasn't the same he had while the positive testing? Which would btw also explain those "sensational" plastic substances in his blood. It's obvious that you don't accept reasonable argumentation and try to find flaws in the facts given.
Ofc - as a cyclist with a bad reputation already, I'd for sure eat everything at the tour without knowing for sure that it's safe. Some meat? OFC! Some pills provided by my doctors? Why not?
The friend was put in exclamation marks quotation marks, because it just sounds that unbelievably stupid. Maybe not for you, but you lost track of the objective view long ago. :)
I don't care what yellow papers report or not. I just recall the information gicen by trust-worthy sources. Maybe you should focus on this as well and stop trying to claim every fact as sensational and rumour.
they all get doped, if they didnt there is no way they cud compete everyday, they dop a bit so they dont give positive, then the other competitor dopes a bit more to beat the guy at his level and then by mistake he gets positive cuz he did too much.
aha nice :P, ik zit beetje in fiets familie :x maar zelf geefk er niet zo veel om, alleen kijken (tour de france enzo) en soms fiets ik wel es in frankrijk :P
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I mean, both you and me can't say for sure where did that thing come from, just rumours. Instead of talking bullshit, shut ur mouth and wait for the results.
the only excitig thing to watch were those mass crashes :D
related article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/sports/cycling/05cycling.html?_r=3&ref=sports
BLOOD DOPE!?
they are just a few drivers u could say they are clean, but they always end up being severals hours behind the top in every major race.
At least 60% of the Tour de France "peloton" aint clean :).
Past has prooven the majority is dodgy as fuck and the so called "tests" have been proofen to be unactive due to the fact that it would ruin the sport even more if more get busted :). None of the last 5 winners has been clean and as we can assume that the helpers and other possible winners and their teams are also using the same stuff so that would be the majority. Facts aint given due to a corrupt testing system.
And to answer your claim, only 1 winner has actually been caught the last 5 years. Contador is not busted, Carlos Sastre neither and Rasmussen was not removed for dope but for misinformation concerning his whereabouts. He has never been caught.
All your opinion is based upon is subjective criteria.
A jealous and frustrated ex-racer, what a reliable source. Yes, you certainly know what you're talking about.
20 years ago everyone told him its usual to dope(to make it even more obvious, just for you, im talking about the professionals), and i think its even worse today.
SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THERE ARE LIKE 10000 POSITIVE TEST EVERY FUCKING SEASON???
the rest that was negativ just has a new thing which is not detecable YET.
so stop being an idiot, gimme proofs or shut the fuck up
mine is not, but obviously yours is.
i like your naive believe in the good of those men, but its just not like that
There are no 1000000 positive tests every season. This season there was a total of 12 riders caught in the peloton, of which one was a relatively big name: Mosquera. 12 out of 600+ is ridiculously low.
And don't use the "they use stuff that can't be detected yet" cos that's bullshit. That might be true for the more succesfull cyclists, but the majority of the peloton just can't pay the undetected stuff because mediocre cyclists don't earn much.
Why do I have to give proof? You're the one claiming they all cheat so you have to proof they cheat, unless you do they remain innocent. That's how it works in W-Europe.
Sorry I'm not a paranoid fuck like you.
just one last word: u should really learn the definition of being paranoid.
naive shithead...
adj.
1. Relating to, characteristic of, or affected with paranoia.
2. Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others
Definition number 2 applies to you. Extreme and irrational distrust of cyclist in general.
Good bye.
your statement is based on information given by television/society...
sad story bro, have a good one
Proven.
German Wiki - thought it is in the other list as well..
nevertheless a "I want to believe" picture would be appropriate right now....
...but even then it keeps being unbelievably boring. :(
I've nvr particularly followed the cycling scene, but the "superstars" rise pretty fast in this sport, isn't it like that? There are always some new talents all of the sudden winning important tours - at least that's what I get from it.
Apart of that...Even if it's not true, my point stays the same.
Don't bother expressing your opinion if you know jack shit about the sport and only know some bits due to the sensation attentionwhoring of some newspapers.
But I guess you're just frustrated, because the sport you seem to support strongly, keeps getting a bad reputation.. Don't blame the newspapers, blame the top-notch cyclists who get caught!
..and don't even bother me telling that the Clenbuterol was just randomly in his blood. :D ...besides those plastic molecules used in transfusion materials. :)
Wouldn't be the first time the newspaper is wrong.
If athletics would be tested as much as cyclism, I think you'd be in for a shock. Yet it would be stupid to deny cyclism knows many cheaters. It's true, but it's understandable in a way because cyclism must be one of the hardest and most difficult sports in the world.
There are more nonames caught than prominent cyclists, but you only know about the prominent ones because you don't have interest in the sport and thus don't get to read about the nonames who usually only get a few lines, while cases like Contador and Armstrong get 10 pages devoted to them.
I'm not frustrated about the bad reputation, I'm frustrated about uneducated idiots thinking they know everything about the sport who go ranting every cyclist is doped, which is certainly not true. Cyclists like Tom Boonen, Philippe Gilbert, Cadel Evans, Vincenzo Nibali, Fabian Cancellara, Mark Cavendish, Tyler Farrar, Jurgen vanden Broeck, Samuel Sanchez, Ivan Basso (yes, he's a returned cheater) don't cheat, and all are prominent cyclists and coloured this season.
Ofc athletics has the the same problems, because it's as easily corrupted as cycling.
My information isn't from any Yellow Paper shit, it's from one of the serious news shows in Germany. Ofc you don't have to swallow every bit from their news, but it isn't pure speculation either. Face it that you are a fan of a sport, which is deeply corrupted by doping and don't try to defend it in that case. It makes you look ridiculous tbh.
And here we go again: "deeply corrupted". What do you base that upon? A few prominent cyclists who got "caught" (because Contador, despite the accusations still hasn't been caught). Wow, impressive reasoning.
As I told other people numerous times, yes, there's dope in cyclism. But it isn't rampaging through the whole peloton like you and other uneducated people claim.
Even the WADA is concerned about the behaviour of the UCI and don't want to underestimate the findings - even if the clenbuterol found in his blood was a low amount. It's a fucking known doping substance - how big is the possibility that just those get to eat "poisoned" meat, who are fucking faster than everyone else? Would you eat some meat which brought a "friend" into the camp when you're in the fucking Tour de France?
You can still claim that he hasn't been "caught", tho he obviously IS caught, he's just not banned yet, because the UCI is a silly bunch of pussies which doesn't rly try to fight doping - and we're back to my starting point that the expectations to the cyclists are just insanely high. Guess, why the WADA is interested in this case? Guess, why the Spanish Cycling Union didn't really investigate the Fuentes case to his bottom? Because the UCI is fucking corrupted - and YES, I DO get this from the news, where else? Are you a member of the UCI council with insider information?
You can still claim that he's innocent, but don't call this silly "I believe in him" more reasonable than the conclusion that he doped. I case you haven't noticed yet: You are on the "Santa Claus is real" side, and I'm on the scientific side based on facts, which you don't want to accept.
And for somebody who claims to be using scientifical proven facts, you ignore some other scientific proven facts that counter your arguments. Like the amount that was found from a product that stays in your body for weeks in a cyclist that get's tested every single day. If it wasn't in his blood the day before, it's from an intake on the day itself. And the intake was of such a limited amount that it could NOT have been used to hide certain blood dope or something. So what is the only plausible explanation? Yes, bad meat.
No idea why you put friend between ""'s, as far as I know he's a doctor and a trusted friend from Contador. Why wouldn't you trust someone like that?
And if everything from that news show is investigated through their own means, why is every fucking thing you say the same as was published in sensationalist newspapers days before?
Don't bother answering, I don't care about how you feel towards Contador and cyclism in general. If it makes you happy to think everyone is doped and it's one fucked up world, be my guest. I won't watch less races because of it, nor will I look at the riders differently.
Ofc - as a cyclist with a bad reputation already, I'd for sure eat everything at the tour without knowing for sure that it's safe. Some meat? OFC! Some pills provided by my doctors? Why not?
The friend was put in exclamation marks quotation marks, because it just sounds that unbelievably stupid. Maybe not for you, but you lost track of the objective view long ago. :)
I don't care what yellow papers report or not. I just recall the information gicen by trust-worthy sources. Maybe you should focus on this as well and stop trying to claim every fact as sensational and rumour.
worst sport _EVER_
"Amazing" how so many of these people also call ET infected with cheaters.
Paranoid, insecure fucks who call everything they can't do, cheats.
he was busted 1/2y ago but nothing was done since in spain it was allowed to use that stuff
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VERTEL NOU IETS OVER JOU PAPA!?!
E: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shM0pTG1hNM
try finding plastic in meat
This substance can be also found here
I mean, both you and me can't say for sure where did that thing come from, just rumours. Instead of talking bullshit, shut ur mouth and wait for the results.