why the hate...

Why are smokers so hated by teh governments? It's our right to fuck up our health if we feel like it and please gtfo. Also why can't pub/club/restaurant/other shit owner decide if he wants to ban smokers? Why not make only-for-smokers pubs and so on? Enjoy your stink of sweat in clubs :)


related:
It's illegal to smoke at pubs/clubs/restaurants/parks/unis/many places in Poland since today.
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agreed shit got ridiculous, they even banned smokers from the oktoberfest here.
thats not the point octoberfest is shit anyway
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Poland is late, Netherlands had it already
and so did Ireland afaik
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and Estonia, Read my comment below.
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if you would only fuck up your own health it would be no problem, but through passive smoking you FUCKING FUCK UP MY FUCKING HEALTH ALSO SO GTFO WITH YOUR STINKY SHITTY SMOKING!
It's ok if you fuck up yourselves, but this way u fuck up us too. You know being a passive smoker is more unhealthy than being a active smoker.
not rly man.

if u smoke by urself.. ur smoking active and passiv.... so isnt more unhealthy!
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most of my friends are non-smokers, I'm smoking a lot yet we don't have any problems, simply stand like 2m away, check the wind (if smoking outside) and win. I'm never smoking indoors if non-smokers are there (pubs do not count :D)
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I find it disgusting, I mean when a guy smokes next to me I feel like I'll throw up. No matter if the smoke goes the other way, I can smell it :|
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Oh that is the most retardish argument ever, how on earth can it be more dangerous? You inhale like 90% of the smoke and tar, if you stand right next to me and inhale when I exhale straight towards to.
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I didn't even read what you just wrote.
You are smoking.
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Yes, I am. And I know that secondary smoking isn't healthy, but there is no way it is more dangerous... Don't get me wrong, I like banning smoking in public. But we need the small room to smoke in trains, clubs etc.
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So just don't smoke in public.
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yeah he just said that.
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Thommy-boi!
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You really cant believe every old-wifes tale man :D

It's a common belief that second-hand smoke is more unhealthy but it's just a belief, there's nothing true about it.
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Oh that is the most retardish argument ever, how on earth can it be more dangerous? You inhale like 90% of the smoke and tar, if you stand right next to [some smoker] and inhale when [he/she] exhale straight towards to.

I have never smoked but that doesn't turn fiction into facts.
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reflect on arguments which you copy from others, else you might be retarded the rest of your life.
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i refer you to what steve hughes says http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0lVbMOMTi0
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been here 2 years orso. eu directives moving to poland 2 years late :L
Still far faster than civilisation, they still haven't got any of that!
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true words .d.d.d.d.:D:D:DD
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3-4 years orso
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Finland is worst place for smokers. If you arent 18, you aint even allowed to have cigarets (even if u wouldnt smoke them). And if you buy cigarets for ppl under age 18, maximum penalty is few months prison :p So, be happy, polak :p
That's the same here in Estonia and prolly in most of places :D. Although the sentences arent that hard and probably your's isnt either
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Well, it its written to law that u can go to jail if you buy cigarets for under age ppl in Finland. ;_) But thats just theory right ? :p
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It's like when you have 3 prior charges or something. You will just get fined usually :D
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It has been like this in the Netherlands for a while. But ye, you would fuck up the none-smokers their health which would be a problem :~>
Netherlands started like that in 2004, instead of demanding good air extractors they just forbid everyone everywhere... I don't smoke anymore nowadays but I still think it is ridiculous.
How come I have a short black man in my head right now saying "YOU NO SMOKA DA CIGARETTE! YOU ONLY SMOKA DA WEED!" ?
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h3h3 I no smoke weed for 1 year now bratta! I quited (sept 2009) after 16 years of excessive weed abuse. Health issues made it easy to quit.
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you also fuck up the health of people around you and the smell is disgusting
I see Poland lags in real-life too.
thx god, now all of my clothes wont smell like shit after every night
I think it's only fair.


I don't mind people smoking, not at all, but the very second I smell smoke, no matter where I am, even on the street... A smoker is not only ruining his body, but also mine (actually it's already before the human nose is able to smell it).

And that's why smoking should be banned from EVERYWHERE except your own home/property.
cause we cost a lot and we smell
isn't it like that most money in budget comes from alcohol/smokes/salt? excise ftw
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yes but u neeed to see the other side (costs for health n stuff) its not allowed in germany as well btw but some clubs are still allowing it yeah!
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you will have lung cancer at the age of 60-70. OMG TEH COSTS! at this age you will be fucked up with other shit anyway :D
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i know but they dont know and also think about all the guys who are drinking alc. they r not better
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I'm an alcoholic, wanna talk about it? :D
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havanna all the way :DDDDDDDDD
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I don't see what you did there :<
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you smoke cigars? :x
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i drink havanna ;)
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aha ok, figured later that the cigars are called Havana :) drink + smoke? careful there young lady!
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im sooo old already :(
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but im sure you want to get even older :-)
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yes ofc but what is live w/o doing bad things? becomes boring :)
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i never said don't smoke and drink :P i do both myself, though i don't drink as much.
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i dont drink much just till i dont know that i m drinking ehehe. nah im a good girl
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Related statement by Bill Hicks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ySCcnoo3c

QuoteI would quit smoking if I didn't think I would become one of you


And to the issue, I think it is a good thing that they have reduced smoking in bars and public places. Just give us the small room where we can slowly kill ourselves.
most pub/other shit owners don't want to do it because it's costs a lot (according to law it's supposed to have other exit and you have to make it so NO smoke can go through, so if you have 2 rooms and in one you can smoke it can't be like you open doors to there and smoke goes through)
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Here it doesn't have to have another exit and every club has made a smoking-room. Not all bars though, but I prefer smoking outside anyway. And it isn't so expensive, no wonder why when looking at some cabings :)
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it is expensive when you got to do the extra exit shit, possibly extra bar in some places (so another place to store alcohol, more people to hire) and so on and so on
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Giving a youtube link of someone who died at 32 because of cancer really proves your point.
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No he was murdered by the government!

But let me get my cancer in peace, don't huzzle with it.
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I will let you have your cancer in peace as long as your smoke stays the fuck away from my lungs.
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Ye ye, as I said, I got no problems going to a smoke-cabin for few minutes.
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BAN SMOKERS
BAN SMOKERS
haha, plz, more useless stuff man
:D
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snuff is even more pathetic than smoking.
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yes, chewing broken aids needles and glass for life.
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i dont like cigarettes but im not going to every smoker and cough in his face -.- same with alcohol/public sex/drugs etc. its their life and im just dealing with it ;)
Public sex is it really that common in Starcraft? :P
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smokers dont respect non smokers. I dont understand why ppl are smoking anyway, what the goal? When u are young look like an adult? I want to slap in the face the teenagers (14/15/16 y) smoking, this is so ridiculous. I would rather smoke weed & stuff, coz its give an "effect"

PS: A non smoker have talk
Now, stop using google translator and try again man
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WHY THEY NOT LET US TAKE HEROIN?!
if u fuck up "your own health" are you gonna pay all your cancer op's by yourself too?
when I hit 60 I will have cancer anyway, why not make it lung cancer

let's ban everything that gives you cancer!!!!!!!!
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ur right but still I think it's quite stupid to argue like "its my own health I can do whatever I want with it" when it's the society paying for it.

ofc you can say that about everything that may produce cancer
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best comment in this threat!!! +1!!!
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in general I'm not strict against smoking, I smoke myself sometimes, especially when I am drunk :D

but: I really enjoy that I can go out for dinner now and enjoy my food without sitting in fog and all my clothes stinking like hell when I leave the restaurant after an hour

quite ridiculous it isnt allowed to smoke in pubs anymore though.
I think it is a good thing, hangovers are so much smaller nowadays when you aren't hanging around in smoke all the time.
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yea thats true. you inhaled the smoke of like 5 packs a night in the good old times :D
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Yea, and smoked around 2 since you didn't have to lift your ass anywhere. Always a new one when some friend lights up. Now 1 pack is the normal for evening.
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it's a part of the nightlife imo, most of the non-smokers don't have a problem with it, just a few nerds exploiting the health-argument
/quit smoking, i did
I did so u can to :) and i was smoking during 17 years
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i think i need just motivated :D
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I have been a smoker for almost 10 years now. Banning smoking from pubs and clubs is one of the best things ever. Your clothes dont stink, you can breath normal air.

Went to a club in Latvia Latvia where smoking was still allowed in a club. It seemed cool when 2-3 ppl smoked, but when more ppl started smoking it was just disgusting.

So dont whine man, there will still be smokerooms in pubs and clubs.
Quote I have been a smoker for almost 10 years now.




Age: 20 ( 3 November 1990 )
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started around 11
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poor you, u must be so gay :/
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I LOVE the no smoking in restaurants/bars/etc law, and almost everyone else i know love it.
I'll quote Masuka: "It's 2010, who the fuck smokes?"
quit smoking, its totally useless.

i only smoke blunts, putting almost no tabaco because i cant support the smell and taste from the tabaco, getting high is a better feeling :-)

oh i forgot, if a someone is smoking a cigarette near me, i usually push them away and tell them they smell bad :D
Prohibiting smoking in public is a good thing imo, I smoke myself but I rarely do it when there are non-smokers around me ( exceptions would be when I'm drunk or when we are in a park or something where no one notices it ).
smokers are cheaper they die younger, so their retirement doesnt have to be paid for 40 years. And smokers are way cooler, look at don draper for example.
cancer is man-made anyway, people whining at smokers and lungcancer blah blah, how about you start growing your own food aswell, cause most stuff you buy at a supermarket is filled with shit anyway.
Yeah, lung cancer ain't nothing bad and smoking doesn't even induce that much of it. It's all made up by the jewish conspiracy to cause terror within the western world.

Same goes for all this "radiation" released from nuclear waste and stuff, fucking overrated lies they are. I mean you're engulfed by radiation all the fucking time, radios wouldn't work without it and whatnot. It's all lies and doesn't cause cancer at all.


Sorry, I was just kidding. You're retarded and wrong.
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i have no idea what you're talking about, but what i'm talking about is that all of these cancers we have, they didn't exist hundreds of years ago. they're the result of how we eat and live nowadays. too much wrong with food industry to even list here. ofcourse smoking is bad, but so is most shit we consume these days anyway. what i'm saying is people have bigger health problems they don't even know of than second-hand smoke. and i don't even support smoking. those random unrelated paragraphs and ad hominem attacks really give you credibility by the way.
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Well, in that you are right, although tumours were already relatively common 100 years ago, 200 years or so would be more realistic (also props for not falling for my provocation).

Anyhow, as smoking has been proven to increase the chances to get lung cancer by like ten times (actually I think it was more), not to mention the other things like branial stroke, what's the point of it? People who smoke die like twenty years younger than people who don't, which is a fact. I mean, of course there are a lot of carcinogens in everyday items (e.g. it's debated whether margarine might cause cancer, which sounds like a load of bullshit to most people, but fifty years ago people thought that smoking doesn't cause cancer either, but instead helps to prevent it), but tobacco is one of the worst.

And yeah, it's everyone's own decision whether they want to smoke or not (although the Finnish government is aiming to make Finland the first completely smoke free country in Europe), but it's also my decision whether I want to be around smokers, and hence breathe in the foul smelling and unhealthy smoke or not. And of course I don't want to be around them, it's extremely hard to breathe next to a smoker and in addition to that the stench catches to your clothes and then you smell bad for days, too. And hence restricting smoking in public places is a good thing.
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"It caused about 13% of all human deaths in 2007[2] (7.6 million).[3] Cancers are primarily an environmental disease with 90-95% of cases due to lifestyle and environmental factors and 5-10% due to genetics.[4] Common environmental factors leading to cancer death include: tobacco (25-30%), diet and obesity (30-35%), infections (15-20%), radon exposure, radiation, stress, lack of physical activity, environmental pollutants.[4] These environmental factors cause abnormalities in the genetic material of cells.[5]"

also cancer has been around for a very long time, probably as long as mammals we just didnt know what it was. "The oldest known description and surgical treatment of cancer was discovered in Egypt and dates back to approximately 1600 BC. The Papyrus describes 8 cases of ulcers of the breast that were treated by cauterization, with a tool called "the fire drill." The writing says about the disease, "There is no treatment."[105]"
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You're blaming the wrong man, it was fredd who said that cancer didn't exist a hundred years ago ;(.
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Quotehundreds of years


it may have been around earlier, i guess i should have said cancer has increased [a high percentage] in the last couple hundred years. basically his statistics confirm what i said.
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cancer is not man made :-S
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Got used to it, aint that bad tbh
In countries like Finland where healthcare is provided by the government (ok, for the most part, of course you still have to pay a small part of the bill yourself) smoking causes unnecessary costs for the society, because the funds used to treat lung cancer patients are raised from tax-payers.

Not to mention all the unnecessary harm caused to "passive smokers" by retards who smoke indoors or on bus stops or terraces of pubs.
Smokers cost less than non-smokers in terms of healthcare; this argument has been done to death in the UK where there is universal healthcare too.
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Smokers cost less than non smokers? Haha where are you getting this from?
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Smokers pay far more indirect tax than non-smokers and live shorter lives; even if every single smoker required a transplant, thus off-setting their (and other smokers) increased tax contribution, organ shortages mean that this is and will never be a reality. In fact, it overlooks the fact that many of these smokers' organs could be put back into the healthcare system to compensate.
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They live shorter, yet a more diseased life which has more costs. They don't actually cost less, but they pay more. That's quite a difference.
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To reiterate, smokers pay proportionally more tax over their lifetime (however long that be) than non-smokers and, because of organ shortages, this is unlikely to ever change.
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Probably true but when you say they cost less it's simply wrong. Also there are several diseases evoked by smoking that do not need new organs.
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True. But if you were going to argue that case then alcohol abuse (and obesity to a lesser extent) is far more dangerous and expensive than smoking.
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if smokers were tolerant towards non-smokers, this world would be much better place to live in...
its weird, you can't even smoke in trains :D! im wondering how someone who smokes a lot will travel from zakopane to gdynia 10-14h without cigarettes xDDD
you couldn't smoke in trains anyway! :D
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really? when i traveled from krakow to gdynia ppls were smoking instantly xD
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I am the only person in my family who does not smoke; it really is not that big of an issue to be honest, and I do not understand why non-smokers get so upset about the issue.

The one thing I disagree with in terms of a public-smoking ban is that it is applied universally. This might sound odd, but I think it should be up to the club or pub to decide whether they would become a non-smoking institution.
I felt the same until my mom had quit and my stepdad moved out. With no smokers in your home for about a year and then suddenly your mom starts smoking again (which happened a few weeks ago) you will notice how much of a difference there is. You can't tell if you haven't lived apart from smokers for a while.
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I live apart from my mam and sister at university most of the yea, and when I move back during the holidays it is still not that big of a deal to be honest!
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QuoteIt's illegal to smoke at pubs/clubs/restaurants/parks/unis/many places


not in canada.
you CAN smoke at pubs,parks,many places

wtf is a unis.....

cant smoke within 2 meters of a doorway/ac intake.
unis is short hand for universities.
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right right. :P
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smoking is just a retarded
and its even more retarded that i cant stop it!!!!
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