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keep playing with the same r_mode as you used to, also keep using the same fov&sensitivity
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really?
well, didnt try playing with it until now :D i hope the low refresh rate wont affect my "skill", as i am only used to play with at least 100 hz. but that shouldnt be a big problem i think.

<3 u 2 :D

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Well, the thing is. I used to play on a non-widescreen and when I bought myself a new screen 'widescreen'. I played with the same r_mode etc, just totally the same config. I loved it that everything was stretched out, I had the feeling that tracking was easier :). Ofcourse I tried playing with the native resolution of my widescreen but that was so disgusting.. I still believe that 50Hz will do just fine for gaming

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my screen works with 60hz atm.

well, i guess i just have to test it out then. ^^

and yeah, will leave my cfg like it is and will try to play with a "stretched out" image, taking your advice. :D

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hehe :) gl

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thank you :*

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opinions/preferences can't be retarded by definition, but yours is/are

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for me 50Hz is working fine and everything I said before is working great for me

:>>>>>

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I can't get it how you are supposed to be a good player with 50 Hz : /

When I had to (casually) play ET for the last half year with 75 Hz it wasn't entertaining me at all. 120 Hz is what I need to be able to enjoy ET. Without that smoothness I'm better off playing the SP of Wolfenstein ^^

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I've never played on a screen wich had more than 60Hz but yeah I can believe that switching from 125 - 50 is a hell :p

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I apologize for my initial statement. You do not try to pretend there is no difference, you just never had the joy of seeing the difference. God be with you and give you a very specific gift for Christmas: an 120 Hz LCD.

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haha :D

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HDMI signal is digital, it either works 100% or it doesn't work at all. It won't affect colors nor contrast, there's no reason why you shouldn't use it, really.

well it works here as you can see.

is there a major reason why i should change to the rgb connection? or can i just leave it like that?

i dont think that this will change much, does it?

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If your other option is through DVI, you won't see a difference, they are both digital and they transfer the same amount of data anyway.

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and the hz and every option will be the same?

thanks for that informations...i just cant be bothered to change to dvi now (i am a lazy ass :D) so i'll just leave it with hdmi.

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yes, hz and other options depend on your monitor

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ok.

will i feel a big difference with such low hz? i am afraid that it will feel too choppy ingame :( the guy at the media market said that only the 3d monitors support 120 hz, but i wouldnt need that 3d option anyway.

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120 Hz LCDs need special (double) DVI cables though. HDMI is to send 60 Hz max. afaik.

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well, just played a round of et and i must say that its just a matter of getting used to it :)

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what the hell are you talking about...

what do you have to get used to? there's no difference on a plain 60 Hz monitor : /

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but when using 60 hz, you definitely feel a difference if youre used to 85 hz or 100 hz.

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of course.. why would go for less than you can have? oO

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like i said before, only the 3d monitors can handle such big hz, my screen cant.

and i dont know if there is any possibility to override the hz of my screen, but i guess not.

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hdmi cables are expensive, so if you don't need them just use dvi cables. they are better for more specific tasks (120 Hz) anyway..

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there was a hdmi cable with my screen.

so you say that with a dvi cable i can get higher hz?

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There isn't real quality difference between HDMI and RGB. Only difference is that HDMI can transfer sound. If you don't have speakers, I recommend you to use HDMI cable.

thanks for the infos :) yeah i will stay with hdmi now.

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If you have a television in your room, you would connect your computer to your television via HDMI cable :D It's pretty cool to play on big screen ^^

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yea the guy at the shop said that you can connect a console to it and stuff, so i can connect my xbox360 to it and play with hd quality. =)

too bad my 360 is broken...ring of death. :( have to buy a new one.

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isn't hdmi supposed to be 'faster' too ? higher refresh rate etc?

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thats the thing i wanted to know...well, my refresh rate is pretty low at the moment. :I

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dont take my word for it, i'm asking him too because i dont really have a clue either, it's just what the guy in the shop told me iirc

i'm using a hd widescreen too and my refresh rate is fine with hdmi cable

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what is your refresh rate atm?

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as far as i know the refresh rate is set for any monitor, you can look it up on google. i have a LG flatron w2453v which has a 2ms refresh rate

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oh sorry i was talking of the hz rate, not the time of reaction. :$

my screen got 2ms reaction too.

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should be 30-83Hz for my monitor, dont know where i can check it actually

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i see.

just wondering if such low hz will affect the games much or not, you know?

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i think you should ask beasty :P

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seems like an expert, eh? :D

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he might also just be pretending to be an expert :P i have no way of verifying what he is saying do you ? just like the guy in the shop he could have told me that if i bought this monitor a pink eliphant would come out of it every five seconds and i would have believed him :P

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i think you wouldnt :D

but the guy at the shop really seemed like an expert to me, he told me everything there is to know and i asked him about the hz thing.

like he said, its pretty low compared to standard crt monitors and only the 3d lcd monitors can handle 120 hz and such.

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yes i heard that before actually, that crt monitors are always better than lcd monitors when it comes to hz rates

doesnt mean much to me anyway but well :P

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im not expert here either but i do know that hz is kinda like "frames per second" on the screen, i've got the Samsung lcd with 120hz before that i had a samsung with 75 and its a BIG difference in smoothness of the game even tho i got the same fps ingame. from own experience i can say that u can do headshots with 120hz that you probably wouldn't be able to do on 75hz

for the hdmi part, DVi and hdmi is almost the same thing only the difference i know is that hdmi transfer sound too. some one here also wrote it can handle higher resolutions.

i think you should read vibs comments, he seem to know alot of this stuff

gl :) u seem to have alot of knowing ppl in this topic :-P

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well before on my crt, when i was using win xp, i used 100 hz all the time.

then, after changing to win 7, i used 85 hz.

no i have to use 60 hz, but i think its just a matter of getting used to it.

60 hz is pretty low, but well. :D

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Sure you get used to it, but its big advantage to have high hz

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dont destroy my dreams :'(

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:d sorry :p

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np :p

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http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=119951#comment2667299

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Biggest advantage HDMI has, besides ability to transfer sound, is it's smart connectors

theres another advantage, i can laugh at people buying 150€+ hdmi cables

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150€+ ?

my hdmi cable was included with my screen :X

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same here :o

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coworker bought an around 5m cable, he told me that he paid 170€ for it and actually sees a difference :D

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i wouldnt be able to see a difference either if i would have paid that kind of money:P

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why would someone buy such a long cable?

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big living room?

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argument valid.

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Then he is an idiot. Bought a gold cable huh? :D

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ye, BUT ITS PERFECTLY SHROUDED!

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:DDDD

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Yeah, this one too!

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:DDDD

hdmi cables, unlike i.e. vga cables, perform equally well despite of how much they did cost.

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it can tranafer sound
smaller connector
i think u cant watch 1080p without hdmi (720p should work).
As said above its digital.. either works or it doesnt.
Above 15 meters it could be that u need an amplifier for the signal (using 10 meter here without any problem).
hdmi 1.4 support 3D
it can sample more colours
from what people were telling me: picture quality is always better (no matter what resolution)

dont fall for a 10meter hdmi cable which costs 130€ :>

aha ok

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did i say anything wrong? :P

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no, just didnt know that yet :P

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nah the hdmi cable was included with my monitor, dont worry. :D

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pretty sure u can watch 1080p on a dvi connection aswell

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ye should be possible with dvi too.. but i think thats the highest posible resolution with dvi? while hdmi can do much higher resolutions too ?

@edit: and i meant compared to RGB u cant watch 1080p (atleast i think so) :P

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wrong

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For practical purposes, this allows a maximum screen resolution at 60 Hz of 1,915 × 1,436 pixels (standard 4:3 ratio), 1,854 × 1,483 pixels (5:4 ratio), or 2,098 × 1,311 (widescreen 16:10 ratio)

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In general, cable lengths up to 4.5 m (15 ft) will work for displays at resolutions of 1,920 × 1,200. This resolution will work even up to 10 m (33 ft) if appropriate cable is used. Cable lengths up to 15 m (50 ft) can be used with displays at resolutions up to 1,280 × 1,024.

but i was close !

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thats single link dvi

Single Link 1600 x 1200
Single Link (reduced blanking) 1920 x 1200
Dual Link 2560 x 1600
2 x Dual Link 3840 x 2400

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ah okay..well i have never used DVI so no idea about it :>

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will the low hz of my monitor affect my games much or is it just a matter of getting used to it/does the time of reaction compensate that somehow?

i am really sorry for asking such questions, i am just a noob with that stuff. :(

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look above, beasty is just looking everything up on wiki! :P i think zerender is the real expert xd

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lol :D

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Just sync the refresh rate with your ingame FPS. Q3 engine (ET...) is a bit different because of the 43/76,125 "hacks" but generally you want to play with 60 fps -> have 60hz refresh rate on your monitor.

If the game has v_sync enabled, it will automaticly sync your monitor and refresh rate to reduce screentearing, but it if you can't hold let's say 30fps and your display hz is 30, it will drop fps 15 temporarily etc.

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ok thank you very very much!.

you helped me a lot with all your answers. =)

you'll get an e-kiss from me: :*

:D

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fuck listen to retards on crossfire more.

http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=119951#comment2667339

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aaaaaaah quit the internet you fucking moron

don't tell bs over the internet so people spread the shit over the internet

never synch the fps on a lcd, you would want to do that only on a crt (the refreshrate can be bigger than the fps on a crt, but not vice-versa).

for a lcd you would always want to have the highest refresh rate for least eye fatigue, more smoothness, sharpness etc. and highest stable fps (be it 76/90/100/111/125 - no big difference, though there's a difference and it affects shooting and hitting (because it is linked to cl_maxpackets))

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- i think u cant watch 1080p without hdmi (720p should work).
- it can sample more colours
- from what people were telling me: picture quality is always better (no matter what resolution)

that's all bullshit

- hdmi 1.4 support 3D

dvi is capable to do the same

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i googled a bit when i wrote this:

rgb cant 1080p (upscaling is possible but thats 1080i)
and on some tech article where they also wrote that hdmi can sample way more colours than rgb.

anyway i dont wanna argue a whole day about a fucikng cable :D
if u want to make me belive that you are right and i´m wrong, give me some nice links so i can read them when i´m bored ;P

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