Exactly that's the problem.
The Polish Army was beaten easily on every other front sector and the Wehrmacht was unable to take a line of small bunkers? That doesn't make any sense.
A single wing of Junkers Ju 87(Stukas) could've destroyed those bunkers with ease, that's what they were made for. And the Poles had no AA guns either. But in no source planes are even mentioned. Neither are tanks, which could be explained through the destruction of the bridges on the Narew though.
So either the bunkers were attacked by infantry only which really doesn't provide much of a threat to entrenched troops or it's grossly exaggerated to a myth by the Poles. I'd go with the latter.
Understandable in wartimes for motivational purposes but that's over now and it's time to face the truth.
I had to use wikipedia since there's not a single proper English or German source even caring about that battle. Because it's plainly totally irrelevant. I nevertheless was trying to provide quotes from the source I could use.
He on the other hand simply linked me to a site which I was obviously already using, not even narrowing down his point.
But I guess it's kind of senseless to discuss history with Poles since you apparently still suffer from an, admittedly understandable, inferiority complex.
You do realise that every dumb fucker can write into Wikipedia anything he wants to? That's why it's not accepted as a reliable source in school. Granted you're from Poland, that could be different.
one thing: when polish army was easly beaten by wermacht? cause we were doing quite fine, delaying u as much as possible [that was the plan, we counted on france and england to join in quickly] ... the problems started when CCCP bacraped us...
maybe its you who lives in a myth of mighty german army?... even ur WWII generals were quite impressed by polish resistance, the guy who led westerplatte assult said he could conquer whole world with german wartech and poles as soldiers...
edit: ow and almost every source mention about tanks and air support on nazis side
Excuse me? By the time Russia attacked your defense was already broken. You delayed us for a full 17 days, formidable performance.
Show me a source telling of the actual deployment of tanks and aircraft. I'm talking of attacks with tanks and aircraft, not of tanks being trapped on the other side of the Narew.
And while you're at it, show me a source for what that German general said.
What did I tell you? Do you understand English? Provide me sources of the actual deployment not whether those troops have been simply nearby. The tanks were unable to intervene till the 9th of September as even your link states because the bridges have been blown up. After they attacked, the bunkers were taken.
After the 9th of September the remaining bunkers were isolated, meaning the Germans could simply bypass them. Those remnants were mopped up till the 10th of September. Do you even read your own links? That means you basically didn't hold the German advance for not even a full day, since the German attack started in the morning of the 9th September.
And yes, I totally believe you now that you've stated it's written in a Polish history book, which I already doubt, and that Poles don't fake history.
We've showed respect towards you that's true, your commanding officer at the Battle of Westerplatte was allowed to keep his sabre.
And 17 days of delay? That's nothing if you know how fast an army could actually advance in those days.
I will stop replying to you after this because simply don't know anything about military history or even history at all.
You can't compare the Invasion of France to the Invasion of Poland, since there are more factors than numerical equality.
We had more aircraft, better overall equipment and a bulk of Allied troops was concentrated on the Maginot line, who weren't involved in actual fighting since we simply bypassed them. Another bulk was evacuated in Dunkirk.
We didn't even conquer the whole of France since that wasn't necessary. Take the North of France, especially Paris and you've won.
Indeed I didn't know this but still this was a backup plan and not the intented strategy from the beginning on. What we know though is, that the Polish troops were already broken, at least partly.
Since it never came into action we simply don't know what could've happened. We could've crushed that defense in days or you could've withstood us for two weeks, we can't know it.
well thats way every single day of slowing german army was so important. rest of our army + romanians would be rly difficult to crush(+ area near romania wasnt so important to nazis).
but 1920 > 1944 imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T22FaOiH56k
But 40:1 > all
Face it, it's an untrue myth.
tbh germans had even bigger advantage, and couldnt take few bunkers for 3 days... how lame have u be to fail so hard?
The Polish Army was beaten easily on every other front sector and the Wehrmacht was unable to take a line of small bunkers? That doesn't make any sense.
A single wing of Junkers Ju 87(Stukas) could've destroyed those bunkers with ease, that's what they were made for. And the Poles had no AA guns either. But in no source planes are even mentioned. Neither are tanks, which could be explained through the destruction of the bridges on the Narew though.
So either the bunkers were attacked by infantry only which really doesn't provide much of a threat to entrenched troops or it's grossly exaggerated to a myth by the Poles. I'd go with the latter.
Understandable in wartimes for motivational purposes but that's over now and it's time to face the truth.
If you haven't any arguments to bring forward, shut the ugly thing you pour vodka in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wizna
He on the other hand simply linked me to a site which I was obviously already using, not even narrowing down his point.
But I guess it's kind of senseless to discuss history with Poles since you apparently still suffer from an, admittedly understandable, inferiority complex.
maybe its you who lives in a myth of mighty german army?... even ur WWII generals were quite impressed by polish resistance, the guy who led westerplatte assult said he could conquer whole world with german wartech and poles as soldiers...
edit: ow and almost every source mention about tanks and air support on nazis side
Show me a source telling of the actual deployment of tanks and aircraft. I'm talking of attacks with tanks and aircraft, not of tanks being trapped on the other side of the Narew.
And while you're at it, show me a source for what that German general said.
Germany:
60 divisions,
6 brigades,
9,000 guns,
2,750 tanks,
2,315 aircraft
Poland
39 divisions (some of them were never fully mobilized and concentrated)
16 brigades
4,300 guns
880 tanks,
400 aircraft
17 days... and u dare to say germans were not delayed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_wizna
cant find the quote now, but its true as i've seen it in my history book... poles dont fake history, unlike some other countries
After the 9th of September the remaining bunkers were isolated, meaning the Germans could simply bypass them. Those remnants were mopped up till the 10th of September. Do you even read your own links? That means you basically didn't hold the German advance for not even a full day, since the German attack started in the morning of the 9th September.
And yes, I totally believe you now that you've stated it's written in a Polish history book, which I already doubt, and that Poles don't fake history.
We've showed respect towards you that's true, your commanding officer at the Battle of Westerplatte was allowed to keep his sabre.
And 17 days of delay? That's nothing if you know how fast an army could actually advance in those days.
You can't compare the Invasion of France to the Invasion of Poland, since there are more factors than numerical equality.
We had more aircraft, better overall equipment and a bulk of Allied troops was concentrated on the Maginot line, who weren't involved in actual fighting since we simply bypassed them. Another bulk was evacuated in Dunkirk.
We didn't even conquer the whole of France since that wasn't necessary. Take the North of France, especially Paris and you've won.
ur just blinded by ur nazi belives... to say it other way: U SUCK I RULE
its nice to pwn nazi like my grandpa did
read this and try to understand why Russians backraped our whole plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Bridgehead
Since it never came into action we simply don't know what could've happened. We could've crushed that defense in days or you could've withstood us for two weeks, we can't know it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5V6sxZ8-eg (Ghost Division)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YKhz7YBrpI (White Death; Probably their best song)
loving their own country, for what?