"God is all-powerful, or as theologians put it, “omnipotent”; there is nothing that he cannot do. This is part of the definition of “God”.
So can God create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it? Either he can or he can’t."
What do you think?
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If God can’t, then he isn’t all-powerful. If God can’t create a stone that he can’t lift, then there is something that he can’t do: create the stone.
If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he can’t lift it, though, then he also isn’t all-powerful. If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he can’t lift it, then there’s something that he can’t do: lift that stone.
There is, therefore, no way of answering the question above that preserves God’s omnipotence. If there is an omnipotent God, then he neither can nor can’t create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it. This, though, is absurd; he must be either able or unable to perform this feat." - http://www.logicalparadoxes.info/stone/
Think about that for a while.
:D
+1
ps: if i hadn't heard that already, i would have flamed the shit out of you :)
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
But there is no evil in heaven right?
So do people in heaven have free will?
:)
anyway, if youre serious, you might have a look at for example "Universe according to Ra"
and look into the lucifer myth.
Or there's simply no human at all in heaven, that's a possibility too, but then why bother to worship a deity?
And ehh, as far as I know they were referring the Christian/Jewish God. :)
This view is from the Universe according to Ra.
In a sense, free will is the root of the evil.
lets assume god wanted to experience the unknown, thus forgetting everything. he created the universe based on laws and one of the laws was free will.
he then started creating intelligent life, which in turn became independent creators (co-creators), these co-creators continued creating life (co-co-creators and so forth)
the further these co-creators advanced, the further they were from god. They started focusing on experiencing, rather than creating.
The law of forgetfulness steps in. It's been said (humoristically) that god's greatest creation is atheist, intelligent being who has forgotten the true nature of itself.
if I grasped your attention, you can research further.
and to answer your question, on the higher levels of consciousness you posess free will, but since you're again closer to god you have relearned your true nature, thus only providing positive energy.
I'm very much aware atheists don't believe in any God, thanks, but don't bring other religions into this when we were merely debunking this God.
In fact, assembling pieces from several religions to make a case is rather sporadic and desperate if you ask me.
And what? If you can't do evil when you're close to God, then you don't have free will there, do you now..?
I'm not sure what you're trying to hint at.
so we are not talking about christian/jew god when we talk of atheists.
and for this instance, we could equate god with love. is love evil? dont think so. I suggest you read universe according to ra to get the picture.
also, if you persist on talking about christan god, I'm the wrong person to talk to, I agree, it doesnt make sense and if believing that or nothing were my options, I'd be an atheist.
You replied free will to that and I replied to you.
I'm 100% aware of what an atheist is, perhaps even more so than you, seeing as I am one.
See, that's why I have problems with religious people. They try to make a case by making hypothesis. It doesn't work that way, you can only make hypothesis to make a point, not a case. But I guess it's all kind of in the same stretch as believing in God after all.
I used to be atheist, or rather, agnostic (dont really understand how one can be so sure to name himself atheist) before I did my research so I also do know a thing or two about atheists.
In western world I believe one of the reasons for atheism is christianity, assumably other parts of the world follow the same pattern with their mainstream religions. these religions make god look so "ridiculous" and once you've affiliated ridiculous with god, you don't really even want to look into it anymore.
Instead, you chose to follow a very narrow view, the quote and quote alone.
Nice analogy of how flawed religion is, but let's save that for another discussion shall we...
You say, you don't know how someone can be sure enough to call himself an atheist?
I hope you realize an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a God and NOT someone who thinks God doesn't exist.
And no, they're not the same. Most atheists accept the possibility that a God may exist, but they do not believe in it.
Personally, I have looked into a lot of different religions, can't say all of them because there are too many to count. But it's pretty much the same tune everywhere.
religions are no way to go whatever your belief is.
this might be useful for you;
"have multiple different models of 'belief', use when useful, but subscribe to none of them. Experience will prove which ones were right, which were wrong, and help fill any gaps in the models."
and Like I said, I chose the quote, the journal, the whole package and nowhere it restricts the god to some religion, you on the other hand went as far as trying to figure out the backgrounds of the author of the journal and implied his views into this. which one is more farfetched?
Kind of the counterpart of people convinced there is a God, which would be gnostic theists.
The majority of atheists however are agnostic atheists. Which means they don't believe in God, but accept the possibility they can exist.
>and Like I said, I chose the quote, the journal, the whole package and nowhere it restricts the god to some religion, you on the other hand went as far as trying to figure out the backgrounds of the author of the journal and implied his views into this. which one is more farfetched?
I think this underlines a fundamental difference in thinking processes between believers and non-believers.
While I did research on the subject and actually came up with facts and evidence to support my claims, you try to make it seem as I'm the one pulling things from thin air.
Sorry, but no, it doesn't work like that and I've had enough experience with religious people to know that things aren't going anywhere.
You are probably a gnostic theist and as such there is no possible way to reason with you on this level.
Good day to you.
While I did research on the subject and actually came up with facts and evidence to support my claims, you try to make it seem as I'm the one pulling things from thin air.
Sorry, but no, it doesn't work like that and I've had enough experience with religious people to know that things aren't going anywhere."
your way of thinking in this matter is so narrow, you have to place people in boxes in order to use your consensus thinking, rather than grasp what ive said.
You claim youve done research, well good for you, but just because you assume we are talking of something youve done research on, just doesnt make it so.
you keep putting me into the religious box and rely on strawman while you fail to notice, youre the counterpart of the religious thinker, one, who cant be argued with.
I did notice this from the beginning, but it wasnt so evident, thus it was possible to uplift the conversation all the way to the inevitable roof it was about to hit sooner or later.
You're about 400 years late, though.
And where the fuck is Aalborg LAN?
Where the fuck is Aalborg lan?
either he can or cant
if big bang created the universe, what created the big bang? xD
Same for believers : what created god? ;P
- Genesis 1:26
word god originally derives from the word elohim, which in some translations is intrepreted as "those who came from the sky"
se et haluanko kuluttaa elämäni johonkin yliluonnolliseen on sit eri asia...kai se on joillekkin vain harrastus tjsp
soz for finnish
oma näkemykseni :)
"yeah there's a conscious form that created everything and has a certain set of rules that it wants us to follow but doesn't care to clarify it's own existence when aware of increasing number of the people it originated rejecting it as a possibility - not because of a choice on their part to reject something they are aware of but actually out of an innocent though misguided over emphasis on evidence in their decision process"
also i find it hard to reconcile the idea of there being humans before my religion started who weren't given the chance to follow it because it didn't exist but will still be judged by its standards, and if they won't be judged by its standards then the religion must be transient and therefore may be invalidated by the passage of time just as surely?
just thoughts off the top of my head though
e: dont care, youre too much of a troll.
if big bang created the universe, what created the big bang?
and u call me a troll? x) before doing that please link me to some trolling crap and dont judge by the flag im wearing. ur full of crap if u do so.
about the big bang it was a natural scenario and it has wayy too much stuff to go thru and u dont know shit about it so u just cant say something like what uve said, not like i did go thru all of it because at my age im more concerned on getting high rather than reading theories but i do have a brain and my "faith" is rather in ppl who actually did go thru it and worked their ass off and make the thoery in a way it does make sense. it might not be the right one yet but those who find out will be scientist aswell rather those religious monkeys who support supernatural bullshit.
if u belive in some sort of god dont ever try to argue with ppl who dont, because actually the big bang is explained but not many actually go thru it so they throw stupid question like yours. so dont ever argue with non religious persons because simply we cant argue with u guys because your stuff is all "IF" bullshit. in proper discussions there cant be an IF and god belivers cant use anything else besides IFs
The big bang theory actually does make sense and thats why its reconized and approved by actual smart ppl. religion does not make sense at any point
i suggest you to read this quote and more decem's comments. then make a guess again
i put you in troll/retard section anyway. dont try to take part of a serious conversation
like I said, I dont give a fuck about your flag. It's your way of presenting yourself, this reply of yours only supports my point.
Do you know why big bang is just a theory?
also no matter how much you think you know about it and I dont, it still remains as a theory for the simple reason that theres no way of proving it, just as there is no way of proving god as the beginning of our existence. No matter whether universe actually is a recurring big bang, there was something that created the big bang and then there was something that created what created big bang and so forth.
The big bang theory is the one that is been questioned over and over and its the one that gives the most proper answers of all. and u still give away recomendations about god theories. rofl those cant even be called theories, atleast proper theories.
cut the crap about the troll thingie already.. making shit up to struggle on defending a lie.
the bibble = a book
its just written in a book that there was a guy that made all this, ye its ridiculous.
but think about the fact, stated million times, something made THE BIG BANG. its easier to believe it was something supernatural because nobody can find the answer
you are totally misreading decem's comments and think that he believes in god that is written in the bibble
so basically you have no idea what you have written?
gotta ignore you now, wont waste more time for troll
damn ur wise
Im also not sure what you're trying to say in your last sentence, maybe its late and my brain isnt working as it should (Im not that good in english), but I dont get this one "therefore may be invalidated by the passage of time just as surely?"
If I completely misunderstood you Im sorry, its late and i should go to sleep
and it would be less of "a stretch" if you said you jumped 0.5m off the ground !
based on the term a "stretch of the imagination" implying it's challenging to believe something
On a side note, doesnt it sound stupid that suddenly god decided to create something (our universe or life for example), what the hell was he bored or smth?:D
and about god being bored, I guess that might just be :)
(assuming that they are wrong, otherwise you'd be fucking them over quite badly, naughty sinner!)
you just have to have a bit of faith to say that the toaster is there, once created and sold does the machine or person that built it have a claim on it in part or whole ? or is it yours now you bought it, and you had the choice to buy it whereas you can't veto your own existence before your birth - if theres a moralistic interpretation of your life to be made wouldn't it be fairer to show you the sum of your existence before you existed and give you the choice to be created or not before implicitly putting you into a situation where you could potentially end up being punished eternally? :D
i'm not saying THERE ISNT A 'GOD' that created the universe, because i can never be 100% sure about that, but i am > 99% sure, enough to not actually worry about being wrong regarding religion (and i have considered it, and its a nice release to move past it, and not that troubling to admit you don't know everything and you probably won't understand in your lifetime either)
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein.
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Albert Einstein.
“Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly.” - Arnold Edinborough
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not that there would any way we would ever be able to prove that, considering size of the universe :P
I believe Stephen Hawkings wrote a book about it.
I never said that it would be impossible for a God to exist and have done that, I'm saying that doesn't have to be the case and that's not because of the big bang, but how it was set in motion.
I don't know enough about it myself to explain, but like I said I believe Hawking wrote an entire book about it explaining it brilliantly.
Personally, I see no reason to believe a God created it. Why believe in that when there is no evidence to support it?
But I guess some people just don't care that much about evidence or the truth, just about being comfortable and feeling safe.
However, personally I find that filling in God in the 'unknown' is incredibly counterproductive as it doesn't promote a continued search for facts, evidence, theories and ultimately the truth. If you think you already have the answer, why continue to search? Furthermore, if you think you already know the answer and somehow were ordered to search for it, you are at risk of using a methodology that will give you ammunition for your views.
I know how beliefs can mislead people into areas which are counterproductive, but it's all the same with science than it is with religion. Religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame.
Why do you think no religion has a science department?
I'm against religion, because it teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing the truth.
Science without religion is not lame in the slightest. But I guess you know so little science that you're able to convince yourself that it is so it can fit your narrow worldview.
Religion is always blind, whether there is science or not. The centerpiece of any religion is the blind belief in something that cannot be proven or even found evidence for.
No amount of science can undo that. Strong believers are able to perform such amazing brain gymnastics that they'll always find some random theory to preserve their other random theory when presented with facts and evidence.
It's a neverending struggle really.
But hey, guess what, if I get sent to hell for being an atheist despite being a good person, then I don't even want to be in heaven. Now if there is no God, then I'll simply have led a good life and made the world a slightly better place.
Out of curiosity, what religion are you a part of?
"But hey, guess what, if I get sent to hell for being an atheist despite being a good person, then I don't even want to be in heaven. Now if there is no God, then I'll simply have led a good life and made the world a slightly better place."
that's a basic atheist statement and I agree.
also it seems you havent grasped the statement by einstein about science and religion.
theres much into "supernatural" that you cannot study with the narrow methods of science, thats a fact and theres no way around it. same applies for religions when they discard evidence that doesnt suit their view of the world.
I'm not part of any religion.
2. Put all 66 books into 1 book
3. Book becomes a fundamental religion
4. Profit
imagine if the people who wrote all these books were to see the world for 1 day now. Would be pretty epic :).
Shit my book became the belief system of millions. Success, i just made that shit up to sell my book.
You would think what an idiot.
hell is where you burn for all enternity if you sin and heaven is where your soul goes after you die if you dont sin.....
while you wait for judgement day after you die you wait in pergatory.
er... yea alryt m8 heres 50p go buy some water and sober up you fag.
some guy peeing being a bush that the suns heat sets on fire which in turn sets him on fire = most inconic moment in the bible.
jesus rises from dead 3 days later and rolls back the giant stone.
He just passed out on the crucifix and was thought to be dead, put in a cave then woke up and the stone was on a slope so was easy to roll, then just walked out.
Jesus parts the water for the isralites to walk safely through. Or the tide just went out
The last Supper - they just had a meal before they all moved somewhere else to live
THE BIBLE
I WANT TO BELIEVE.
if it was written in contemporary english it would make 1 hell of a book lol.
:DDDDDDDD
The bible took 1500 years to complete. Dam ink kept running on the page so had to keep starting again.
gota give mad respect to god though if he does exist. He created the heavans and the earth, then on the first day he said 'let there be light' and there was.
He created the heavans and the earth in the dark. Mad respect to that, his wife must have been like ffs just turn the light on your doing it wrong.
why would u have to speak the words 'let there be light' who is he talking to? :DDDDDDDDDDD
that also makes him a single parent (to all existence), and the creation of the universe is in closer parallel to cloning than reproduction, lucky he didn't do it by having sex or he would be gay too, things that we know he hates!!!
bed time ;p
:DDDD
(just in general) Overall I'd say people were back in the days more convinced of there being a god "because of...". If you were now about to say - "hey but there are more religious poeple than ever before" i wouldn't disagree but for other reasons, the strongest one being that they are just disappointed in <whatever> and find relieve in the thought that there is <something/someone> watching over <whoever>.
Now that'd be awesome, they'd worship frodo :XD
E: And of course giving AIDS to babies in Africa every now and then.
But there's been so many of the arguments over time, and they're all quite interesting to look at, even just from an argumental point of view!
I suggest you read the famous argument by Anselm and Gaunillo's island argument in response to that. Quite good stuff
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep2/ra.htm
though it does require a rather open mind in order to dwell into.
But always open minded, study philosophy so have to read loads of shit with different arguments and such, always love to read what other views are!
But might look into shit when i have moar time in the summer. They make me read so much can't really say i've read anything for myself in a while :D
"In fact, the Torah is not nearly as mythical as some assume, but to fully understand some of the events it chronicles, one must revert to the source documents, which are cuneiform records from ancient Sumeria. Those records indicate that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the product of genetic manipulation of more primitive human species in order to create a slave race, whose masters will eventually return, but not with the intent to sweep us all up in glorious rapture and transport us to Paradise.
The truth is out there. But it isn't pretty."
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Betting on the four horsemen is a sure thing. Mass death was common, whole peoples vanished, so making the claim that your gods did it because they were mad that their priests were not supported as they would like, and only your donations can save you, and the world, like you cared and would not sell them all out for any advantage.
Floods and earthquakes followed by famine and disease killed more people than war ever thought of.
As for all evil being gone, the thousand years of peace, no suffering for the chosen ones, the only way to do that is kill all the people.
Willard is correct, the god being worshipped is Sumarian, for everything claimed by later boy gods was what what was said long before of Marduk, Marduk puts all the little floods and earthquakes to shame, affects the whole world, and finds everyone guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
End times happen, get over it, and it is not the Second Coming, it is the fifth in human memory.
Sumarians and Mayans based their calenders on the god cycle, and they all say the same, this god does not take bribes. Unlike other religions I could mention.
The Bible is true, or it is not, and it says, "The sons of god looked upon the daughters of man and found they were fair." This means there was a biblical Mrs. God, and her boys boinked apes.
The bible is a collection of ape stories, about how they turned away from the the path of the gods, and have been felling guilty ever since.
It starts with Sumarian history, the flood, which had been in print for 3,500 years, and the original is a much better work. The Ten Commandments are a direct steal from the 125th Chapter, The Egyptian Book of the Dead, and most of the middle, Job, comes from the Baal texts from Ras Shamron.
Names have been changed to protect the guilty.
Where it does get historical, leaving Egypt, dates to 1543 BC, where Geology tells us that there was a massive tidal wave, caused by Mount Thera on the isle of Santorini blowing up. As the troops went to give aid, the illegal aliens went on a looting spree, breaking into houses, killing people, till an order went out that all looters will be killed, and the army was returning,
All illegals within the borders of Egypt will be killed. The nearest border was the Red Sea. A whole bunch of them went that way quickly, around the north end of the sea, over dry ground, and on thier left was a piller of smoke by day, and of fire at night, the eruption of Mount Thera, which was much larger than Krakatoa. There was no statute of limitations, none dared go back to Egypt.
Some of the local people would trade with them, so hiding swords under their robes, both stolen in Egypt, they did manage to slaughter most everyone in a few villages, keeping only girls who had not laid with a man, and metal.
They thought they had discovered a clever way of avoiding work, tried it on some larger towns, and getting slaughtered, for people do notice missing villages, kept trying, like people would forget, and they continued coming as peaceful scrap metal traders, all men with a sword under their robes, and everytime they got slaughtered. Besides that they lost the swords, and not being able to produce them, were reduced to clubs, the jawbone of an ass, and throwing rocks. Like the opening of 2001.
Survivors were few, lived far back in the hills, and would mob the night camps of traders traveling along the coast. Traps were set, they were slaughtered, and their camps in the hills were slaughtered. Egyptian records show that on a regular basis, something had to be done about the hill bandits that attacked travelers along the trade route.
The bandits had a god, for the other people had such picky gods, Baal supported the right of owners to be safe, and their god said, you can have everything you see, if you just kill the current owner.
Minor raids and girl child kidnapping continued, no outlying house was safe in the night, till men swept through the hills and killed everyone. Now they did not wait for murder in the night, knowing every spring and camp, the area was cleaned on a regular basis, and the crime wave stopped, for hill people were killed on sight. Those that survived stayed far back in the hills. They were barred from all trade.
Later, after a period of good behavior, they were allowed to sell their children into slavery, which most thought a better life. Buying their children kept the problems down.
Taking religion from these people is like investing with Bernie Madoff, when it sounds too good to be true, it is.
Taking Marduk from the source, we live in the end of times, the judgement comes soon, and all of your tears, prayers, are to no avail, to prepare, flip a coin, when you can call heads and tails ten times in a row, your luck might be strong enough to survive the end of the age.
All gods in human form are humans dressing up and playing god. Marduk is not human, does not care about humans, and Marduk is coming soon.
Prepare For The End! I have a lawn chair, a cooler, and my Blublockers.
And for more...The words of men do have limits. The Bible is a good key to history, if you compare sources.
Starting with the oldest book that has been in print the longest, Gilgamesh, you will find the flood story, from maybe 7,000 years ago, which was an oral tradition long before then.
From 13,000 years ago, to 10,000 years ago, a lot of ice melted, the oceans rose 450 foot, and floods came from the tops of mountains, which took out everything with no warning. So the history is confirmed, but the force had the morals and ethics of an earthquake.
Marduk and the feathered serpent of the Mayan have the same description, a long period comet, 26,000 years, and that does fit with some mile wide holes in the ground made on a 26,000 year cycle.
The force involved is a hundred to a thousand times an atomic bomb, the local area gets hotter than the surface of the Sun, and the blast wave going out at 1,000 kilometers a second, kills everyhing within 1,000 kilometers. The blowback sends fire into the sky and into orbit, then a lot of it settles as glowing ash over a large area, but the rest dims the sun, and it turns cold.
The last one was Mauritania 26,000 years ago, just before a very warm period turned to an ice age. Cold air and land, warm ocean, 45 miles of snow fell.
As the Earth is 4/5 water, most would hit the ocean, and the gelologic record shows a tsunami hit the east coast, went all the way to the mountains, and would have killed everything. Florida is 48 foot at the highest, nothing survived. Flood stories are worldwide.
The Sumarian view was that gods were wind, rain, water, what we call Natural Science, and their creation story is still making the rounds, there was nothing, everything was nothing, it was dark and very cold, then there was a burst of light, and all things come from that light.
They were thinkers, a lot of good it did them, they built some mud huts and grew grain along a river, for 8,000 years ago came a drying, and the fertile lands vanished. That is when the Sahara turned from grasslands, lakes, trees, to what it is today, and that drying continued across the middle east, Iraq, the Caspian Basin, out to the Gobi, grassland that turned to desert. I have no idea why that happened, the Sahara had been grass for maybe a million years?
The Sumarian still thought climate, gave forces names, and as there is no Proto Sumerain, their language, writing, mathematics, comes from somewhere else, is fully developed, and also found in China and the Mayans. They were from north of the Black Sea, but climate change sent them to growing grain along the river, for nothing else worked.
The count of days also spread, and the story of the Dark Planet. Comets only light up when close to the Sun, this one would have a period of 26,000 years, goes out 1,000 AU, and we would not see it till it passed the gas giants. Comets are common, but we have not seen a daylight comet in hundreds of years, they are described, painted, but not in our recent time.
The Sumarians would have know this, and they said this is the big one. They and the Mayans say this ends the age in which it comes, this is the Fifth Sun of the Mayans.
So god is coming to punish the world, but it is not personal, it is amoral destruction.
Other cultures hold the same, In the Sutras of the Hindu this is the Yuga of Kali, death and destruction, which is needed for new life.
In a game played by the Sun, Planets, Comets, Asteriods, humans only exist as witnesses.
Most religious teaching call for renouncing the world, all of the people, and not being involved in their fates. If most are going to die, being in a group reduces your survival chances. Hermit in a cave in the mountains is a good job.
Most getting killed could be seen as bad, but survivors are much worse. The only way you could help them is be the meal for the day. I am not into sharing.
Most teachings say, he who holds onto their life will lose it, he who renounces all, and goes seeking in the new world of the dawning age, has the best chance of survival When food runs out, the worst place to be is with people, the best walking alone in the mountains and wilderness.
While they have been rewritten, passed down through the ages, there is some truth in it. seek gods new world, avoid crowds.
The ages are known by what ended them, fire, ice, flood, and there is no telling the hour of his coming. These reports come from those who survived. It describes Autistic loners who sought the coming age, and left all behind.
The only burden you can carry is your own. I have a pack, tent, sleeping bag, cooking set, fish hooks, snare wire, and could vanish for a year or two. The destruction might continue for hundreds of years, the after effects for thousands, most survivors are not going to make the first year.
Then there will be two groups, those who sought the new world, and some cannibals left in the cities. They will have a declining population and food supply.
Only those who follow the path of god, the new reality, will live. Forces beyond your mind have brought a total change, you must accept it as being the only path to redemption.
While this times stories start with the flood, which came at the end of the last cycle, and a truce with god, so to speak, Next Time The Fire, are true words. Our path leads through fire and ash, ice and flood, and the chosen will make it to the Sixth Sun.
We are the herd of god, and we get culled. While some will die in the destruction, most will die because they lack the sense to survive. God only likes survivors.
From the crater in South Africa from 220,000 years ago we have been through the fire of god eight times. It is a forced evolution. It does select for drive and intelligence. Technology got a big bump off of the last two.
So that is our stage, a dark lord of distruction, times of recovery, a cosmic intelligence that knows and loves us, and tortures and slaughters billions of apes to bring us into the joy of knowledge.
I know that inventors do not invent, they just notice what always was, then others can see it, and we do not create knowledge, it was always there to discover.
I know there is an infinate mind behind it all, but sometimes you have to get the apes attention first. This is one tough school, but it works. Both the god of light and the god of darkness are trying their best to kill you, the only passing grade is do not let them.
when the habitants of venus raised to the next density, they became one, known as Ra,
not just a lonely stoner, a planet full of stoners !
God almighty, praise to allah, dickprovider for bob.
Using the paradox how the hell do you explain infinity?!
":D"
I wouldnt spend too much time arguing with them :)
Think about that for a while.
does God need hands to lift something and does it perceive weight in the same way you do?
"have multiple different models of 'belief', use when useful, but subscribe to none of them. Experience will prove which ones were right, which were wrong, and help fill any gaps in the models."
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