Serious Business.

First of all I'd like to say that I wish Nordic Esports the best of luck in this Eurocup. I have played this game too long to be bothered about winning or losing, but losing in an unfair way still enrages me. This counts for everything I do, call me competitive if you want.

Second of all I'd like to say that these teams are exactly what is wrong with ET nowadays. Whining, flaming, insulting, refusing fair play; it's all very normal nowadays.

Yes this is coming from an ex Team-Edit player, but most people that were around during those times should remember I hardly flamed anyone like my teammates used to do.

So what happened? Very simple, during the first map of the qualifier I lagged out over 20 times for a duration of 2-3 seconds. I know this number because Potter apparently was very bored, and he counted it after hearing about it on vent.

Nordic were laughing about it, were making jokes about it, and were giving us a very hard time to switch server. In an ideal community the map would have just been replayed, I'm sure a team like Dignitas or TLR would get that chance, the other teams not so much it seems.

When the server did get switched, because one of the only two good EC admins ever (Lion ) came on the server, they whined about it and they kept on acting like kids on steroids.

In the end we lost the decider, but atleast it was a fair one. The outcome would have been different if we had switched server before the game started though. I remember asking Robaciek about this but he had already left the server, and Nordic just ignored the question and kept on spamming "GL IN PREMIER".

The conlusion is : I was at a take-away for lunch today, and as it happened a class of 12/13 year olds came in to order food aswell. Every single one of them was more mature than the average etplayer, and definitely more mature than Nordic.

Though the real conclusion is

image: derp

Have a nice evening ;)
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u mad because eSports styling on you m8
moar time for LoL = win?
True, most people that play nowadays are childish and semi-retarded, I'm not too fond of those Nordic kids neither, but hey, get over it.
before u were retard, now u're retarded nerd
You always find new ways to amaze me.
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really? what were the previous ones, I'm concerned
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oh putain !
GL IN PREMIER
P.S polish = trash, why bother writing this
I wrote it without thinking, they were just annoying me too much with their behaviour. But there are polish people that know me well and that play with me, and they know that in general I have nothing against their country.
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Polaks dying to play in EC, fucking scrubs -_-
well i didnt pay much attention to the chat but i didnt see any jokes about you during supply, then you started with your dumb insults as well kk thx
tbh kevin is right. nuff said
you're right oh and nordic are retarded
edwin has spoken
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inb4 only polaks flaming :D
Too bad you didn't play quali vs us, we would've treated you with the respect you deserve :|

Most sincere GL in Premier though!
Nice troll.

No one should get respect for anything he achieved in any game, except the real "godlike" players such as the quake duellers for example, who actually make something out of gaming.

Just a nice attitude is all I'm asking for, which is too much to ask from these guys.
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I wasn't trolling you. I hate the shit attitude some people have so I get your meaning :|
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You weren't aware that an average etplayer has an iq of 65?
GL IN PREMIER
just blame straf allready
I think every player has to make sure that his internet connection is stable before the game starts, however, if there are issues while playing, theres a pause to check whats wrong with the connection or get an other player to play for you, so I dont really get your point..
The server was fine up until 6 minutes into the game. Then the routing between my pc and the server started failing, which is not my problem, but is a problem every Telenet-customer in Belgium has at the moment when playing on certain servers. So there was nothing I could do besides asking to switch server, which is only a small request if you think about it. Nordic thought different.
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well, if I would be an admin I would decide to play the map , and when the map is over I would switch the server..
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Which is exactly what Lion did, I only pm'ed him after the first map though. The problem here was not the admin, it was Nordic Esports who wanted to win so badly they forced my team to play with me lagging out constantly. Their behaviour is allowed by the rules, but anyone with common sense would act differently.
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dont bother replying to Gemb/Squirtel, He's a ignorant german who thinks he've got it all spelled out.

Back on topic, i fully agree with you. experienced same kind of behaviour when players try to find ways to win by rules instead of moral. like this 15 min late thing, got on server like 17 mins late, ofc they wouldnt play us and they got the win. Now im not in the same skill level as you, but this still apply what ever skill or country your playing. This retard behaviour is spread like it was air born
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True, a small hint : Play something else :P
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i try, but ET is my soul mate.. :d the only games i can think of playing instead is ql or maybe Brink. :-(

but i still enjoy ET so.. and i wouldnt let some tard0s ruin that for me :d
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haha, heres the asslicking ego nerd again :D gtfo pls.
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whaaaat :XD
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consider yourself lucky you dont play against any americans
yehhh... trollers, kiddos ftw out there
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whut happend?
Switching servers is a common issue in ET. Has always been.

Back in december 2007 we were FORCED to play a game with Malta toxic on 200-250 ping (sometimes spiking to 350+, which is unplayable) compared to his usual 98-120. Not only very frustrating for him, also detrimental to the team and we lost a game that cost us some REAL dollars (many a tear was shed that day). Felt not so good. Of course the opponents attitude was fair enough (should have checked server from the start was their first comment) but seeing as server was fine until then (some internet cable to Malta broke or something random like that) it was really unforseeable. So it cost us the game, unluckily.

Not gonna comment on NE's behaviour as I didn't spec the game.
Quote by Rules-Match Proceedings-18. General-4

The match admin will pause the match whenever a player overflows or crashes. The pause may last no longer than 5 minutes (enough time to reboot and reconnect). The maximum total pause time is 10 minutes per map per team. The server can be paused no more than 5 times for the same player's problem (i.e. repeated lag bursts) during the entire match. After that, the player has to play with his problem or be replaced. Tactical timeouts are not allowed.



QuoteServer negotiations:
Server testing begins 60 minutes before the match start, even when a referee is not yet present.
All proposed Server IPs should be in the topic 60 minutes before the match start, the latest time to propose a server to test is 30 minutes before the start. After this time a server can be proposed and tested ONLY if both clans agree.



so your lag your problem
Worhtless comment. We did test the server and it was fine. And Lion, with common sense, overruled your quote anyway.
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well if your ping difference was higher than those in Fair Ping Table you could decide to change a server. But if it wasnt You should play with your problem or be replaced. Admin is not allowed to change or overrule rules during the match.
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u mad Kevin !
funny how everyone whines on polish people, but countries like finland, netherland and belgium are even worse. On the other side its just a game and kids should be allowed to play it aswell, just ignore them.
too much to read bb
I left because as I'm personally involved with NE I shouldn't be reffing the game at all, I just came in because of the map madness but after I left I went to ettv and reported server problem to LION as soon as I noticed you mention this lag for few times. :<
I know, you did fine, this journal wasn't ment as an insult to you.
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Quote by Kevin his journalI remember asking Robaciek about this but he had already left the server
had to reply to that :x
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Fuck this community, after joining Leaguecraft, and seeing how friendly everyone is there, I just laugh at crossfire these days.
I have the same at every game I try out for fun, silkroad, wow, quakelive, LoL, list is endless
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WoW? Alot of EJ's wannabes on every server I played.
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jaymod bro's are awesome guys too ;)
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kevin dont be mad :c
This happened only because Iron didnt know his clan was playing!
Iron traitor :(
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You have telenet? Something seems to be wrong with telenet + german servers. We had the exact same scenario with bF in our first EC qualifier, though our opponent was nice about it afterwards unlike yours.
so set an example, be the mature guy and don't be bothered by some kiddies..
remember: don't feed the trolls.
: )
that's kinda like trying to stop a fight without actually doing anything?
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that's like not getting in the fight in the first place because the person trying to fight you is not worth your time.
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what

thinking like you is what creates the ppl we see so much more often. Yea what if everyone would mind their own bizz and not make a differences or stand up and say whats right and whats wrong. It was many years ago the humans lived in packs which always had atleast one leader, how much u turn it we still have that with us.. some ppl are born to leaders some are not. And we still need those leaders today, maybe not as much as way back in human history. Its like saying ADHD is an illness or calling it a diagnosis, those born with ADHD was the ones to hunt and defend the pack. Those who want to explore was the ones to find new places for the pack to live in (water, sleeping etc). Those who can endure longer times of concentration was for cooking,fishing guarding at night etc. Its not a coincidence ppl are so incredibly different.
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I am not indifferent to these kinds of issues, I just think they can only be decently resolved if both parties are able to properly communicate without falling back upon displays of ego or violence for that matter.
I do not need to physically fight someone to prove my point and if I would go to those lengths then I am too stupid to realize that that person is not able to see my point of view on the matter. Some people just disagree.
If a person would start using these immature terms as the author of this journal depicts then I personally would not take the effort of going any further in such a discussion.

You can not force people to think the same way as you do, you can only try to influence them to.
We do not need "leaders", a human being (on average) has enough brain capacity to use logic to come to a conclusion that is right for the individual, not for the masses.

People should stop being sheep, we are getting buttraped by our own governments enough already, these being controlled by those "leaders" you speak of.
Power corrupts people.

I like to discuss matters of value to me but if I can not convince a person of my views I merely give up, the most beautiful thing in this world is that every person has a right to think for themselves and to act upon that. Be it good or bad.

My point being if someone is not open for discussion then just leave it, why bother, you are only wasting your time and creating more negative energy.
Why waste your time being mad about something when you can be happy and careless.. life is short, live it to the fullest.

tl;dr: make love not war.
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I see we think very similar, but i guess you do in a wider degree :p might get there in some years who knows..

well spoken :)
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shit ne :DD
will ever happen again,

still remember 2006 ec semi final, when butchji's PC was broken and he was just fixing it and we were forced to start the match without him and got a merc.
even tosspot was begging team ND to postpone the match, but they didnt agree... that was unfair!
first map got lost ofc... 2nd map butchji was back and we rolled them, 3rd map lottonest = no comment ...
would have won that too, pretty sure :)

good old times ;D

greetz to Croatia acozz, that was pretty lame back then.
ACOZZ 7MAN FRAG @ ADLERNEST NO LUCK, PUMU MG NOT GOOD ENOUGH

plus Lun4tiC raped in the first map, aimed better than butchji did when he showed up!
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it's a shame indeed, mainly due to them actually being talented at ET - their general attitude towards other gamers can sometimes let them down and not represent themselves or their org very well. Hopefully it improves in the future.

also avi for OC premier backup spot!
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