Random in life
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16 May 2011, 00:49
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Yo guys & girls, I am looking for some attention.
Do you believe in random ? I mean seriously, random doesnt exist. If you would know every circumstances. Nothing would be random anymore. Mindfuck.
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Do you believe in random ? I mean seriously, random doesnt exist. If you would know every circumstances. Nothing would be random anymore. Mindfuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Sd5c4o9UM love this song
Do games like 3vs3 or 4vs4 seem viable or?
In random i trust
cant be random
though i've been told that in physics at a sub-atomic level there are events that occur truly randomly
... i don't know shit about quantum physics though
-Chaostheory
if random is "anything that couldnt be calculated even when knowing everything" then no,it doesnt exist.
if random is something that occurs unexpected because you can not know everything, then it exist. and thats what I call random.
This is paradox. Going with that logic it should be possible to accurately calculate what you are going to do in the next minute, which you can obviously contradict.
The reason why you can't calculate everything is that randomeness does play a role in the universe - at least as far as science goes atm (Quantum flucations, Many-worlds interpretation, etc)
Why not? Your 'mind' is just a result of very complex chemical reactions. It is very possible that at some point in the future we will indeed 'comprehend your own mind'.
just have a look on it from another point. at some point, you want to comprehend your mind - which means your brain. then you would have to be aware of all the moleculas and all the chemistry within your brain. and if you - somehow - remembered all of these, you would - again - need to start remembering of remembered - as said above ^^
..its same like.. "make a row of numbers, where last number is sum of all numbers in that row".. if you could do it yourself, you would just pick one number and it would be ok. but if there is something before, e.g 1,2, what is the number that is sum of all numbers in a row? 3? then sum would be 6!
also, before I didnt see (thanks to your edit) these link on stuff abou physics. we call it "random" because we dont know everything about world. thats my interpretation.
You don't have to actually deduct what is going to happen yourself. You can build a computer. Granted that it would probably take the energy of a few galaxies (I'm just pulling this number out of my ass btw) but given that we would know about all laws of physics, it would be able to calculate exactly what is going on in your brain. All it would need to do is digitalize it somehow (scan it with x-rays or w/e - I'm no expert in this field)
But all this just makes the problem more complex than necessary. If you look at what I've written in the post to Vanhaomena it has all you need. Your brain, if you look even below the chemical reactions just consists of quarks aswell.
If you know how they interact you can calculate how they will behave. Or to be precise you should. But you can't because to our current knowledge they behave randomely to a certain degree.
That's actually what I thought too when I first heared about it. But thinking about the scenario I've been talking about earlier changed my opinion.
on the other hand, if there is some "randomness" you believe in (as you state in last sentence that completely confused me :D), how can you believe that you could predict brain?
And I do not think you could predict the brain. I believe that you would be able to if there was no randomness, which is what you are saying,
You got that wrong. The computer, if the universe was predictable (not random), would be able to calculate how it behaves. Obviously since we all live in said universe it would also calculate how every single person will behave.
This is not a paradox because the premise "you know everything" wasn't fulfilled. The predicter in your example apparently didn't know everything about his own brain - otherwise he would've known that he will want to try to contradict his prediction to prove a point.
You're partially right in the sense that yes, it is indeed impossible to predict everything - but it's not because there's anything paradoxal about "if you know everything, then it would be possible to predict anything" but because it's impossible to know everything. The premise will always be false in every real-world situation.
Let's start at the Big Bang. Although I'm not really familiar with physics, wikipedia leads me to believe that the universe shortly after the big bang (10^-33 seconds after it to be precise) consisted of solely free quarks and gluons.
Now with physics you can calculate exactly what forces are between them and how they interact and thus calculate the state after say 10^-32 seconds. And if you can calculate that you can should be able to calculate the exact situation of all matter at every point in time, in the past as well as in the future.
Then again I might quite possibly be missing the point of the whole discussion because greenclon's initial post had a pretty weird wording.
and i'm mindfucking you right now
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Now imagine electricity running through the center one creating sparks either in the left or right direction. Considering atmospheric effects are equal on both sides you still couldn't predict which direction the bolt would go.
Having nonidentical conditions such as these means the current is going to favour sparking into either the left or the right one, meaning its far from being random.
As long as every kind of measuring will alter the outcome of the experiment in one way or the other (Schrödinger's cat) the outcome will be random.
I lost my faith in true random when I found out how most random number generators work :[.