Notes on the format v81
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22 Aug 2011, 22:13
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Journals
Since I notice that quite a lot of people are still having this discussion I decided to repost one of my older comments as a journal since the replies on it were quite positive.
- Enemy Territory was made for 6v6, not 5v5. This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it does show the original purpose behind this game.
- It seems that the majority of the community, or atleast the ones present here on Crossfire on a daily basis, prefer 6v6 above 5v5.
- Lans have been possible in a 6v6 format, even if they weren't as easily organised as the 5v5 ones, they have been possible.
- The way Enemy Territory is played depends on the format, 6v6 brings a more dynamic gameplay to the table than 5v5 does.
- The tactics also depend on the format, 6v6 brings a wider variety of possible tactics.
- The pace of the game is also increased drastically in 6v6. By this I don't mean the times set on the various maps, but I mean the pace of the gameplay itself. In an average 6v6 game you will have a lot more action packed in the 10 minutes of playing time than during a 5v5 game.
- The "luck-factor" is diminished in 6v6, the better organised team has more chance to win than in a 5v5 game where a lucky doublekill or a random nade on full can cause entire defences/attacks to crumble down to dust.
- In a 6v6 game you have one player to "spare" to take on the role of that annoying sniper or that spawnkilling field ops, or even for the engineer that spends 2 minutes mining the backspawn. These random tactics are utterly useless in 5v5 ( most of the times ) since that one player is definitely needed elsewhere.
- I for one know that I will remain active when this game goes 6v6 because I personally prefer it, I also know that a lot of semi-active or even inactive players share those thoughts.
- The community seems to support the change, whereas changes have rarely been supported in the past. This temporarily boost of activity needs to be supported by the bigger organisations in ET such as Crossfire, ESL, and Clanbase, if it is to succeed.
- 6v6 is simply more fun than 5v5, it's also more challenging.
- In 5v5 you see quite a lot of these lean/shoot type of players that have good aim but play with the intelligence of a toad. While this playingstyle is still possible in 6v6 it definitely loses a part of its viability.
I simply think that 6v6 is what this game needs to prolong the life of ET a bit. You can argue for both formats but I think that 6v6 easily covers everything that 5v5 has to offer whereas 5v5 does not cover everything that 6v6 has to offer.
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General Facts :
General Facts :
- Enemy Territory was made for 6v6, not 5v5. This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it does show the original purpose behind this game.
- It seems that the majority of the community, or atleast the ones present here on Crossfire on a daily basis, prefer 6v6 above 5v5.
- Lans have been possible in a 6v6 format, even if they weren't as easily organised as the 5v5 ones, they have been possible.
Gameplay Opinions:
- The way Enemy Territory is played depends on the format, 6v6 brings a more dynamic gameplay to the table than 5v5 does.
- The tactics also depend on the format, 6v6 brings a wider variety of possible tactics.
- The pace of the game is also increased drastically in 6v6. By this I don't mean the times set on the various maps, but I mean the pace of the gameplay itself. In an average 6v6 game you will have a lot more action packed in the 10 minutes of playing time than during a 5v5 game.
- The "luck-factor" is diminished in 6v6, the better organised team has more chance to win than in a 5v5 game where a lucky doublekill or a random nade on full can cause entire defences/attacks to crumble down to dust.
- In a 6v6 game you have one player to "spare" to take on the role of that annoying sniper or that spawnkilling field ops, or even for the engineer that spends 2 minutes mining the backspawn. These random tactics are utterly useless in 5v5 ( most of the times ) since that one player is definitely needed elsewhere.
Community Opinions :
- I for one know that I will remain active when this game goes 6v6 because I personally prefer it, I also know that a lot of semi-active or even inactive players share those thoughts.
- The community seems to support the change, whereas changes have rarely been supported in the past. This temporarily boost of activity needs to be supported by the bigger organisations in ET such as Crossfire, ESL, and Clanbase, if it is to succeed.
Random Personal Opinions :
- 6v6 is simply more fun than 5v5, it's also more challenging.
- In 5v5 you see quite a lot of these lean/shoot type of players that have good aim but play with the intelligence of a toad. While this playingstyle is still possible in 6v6 it definitely loses a part of its viability.
Conclusion :
I simply think that 6v6 is what this game needs to prolong the life of ET a bit. You can argue for both formats but I think that 6v6 easily covers everything that 5v5 has to offer whereas 5v5 does not cover everything that 6v6 has to offer.
Too many of these hype-journals / columns / shit, just play and keep it up for more than few weeks like usual, it will come.
saw 2-3 replays... sick :D
ET was launched 7v7, The earlier tournaments that involved SD were 7v7. RTCW players changed it 6v6
This small point doesnt change anything, it only undermines you that is all.
I think you've made your point anyway, unless you have a time machine you should wait until the seasons start - none of the big tournament organisers are going to do anything in August.
In short, Whatsup with you?
Don't have to get all offensive.
Edit:
And you said this:
Aint this "returning to 6o6" try, a challenge aswell?
And trying 6o6 again cant be a bad thing, we can see how it goes right.
it was utter randomness and flame on a piece of paper... and still I think I'll be able to get a 14/20
Might be utter randomness, but it wasnt intended like that :p
I never said anything about the other points you threw at me in your first reply.
I personally think that you are against this format-change since you were one of the pioneers for 5v5 and you can't cope with the fact that all of a sudden the entire community seems to disagree with you, no offense meant though, I would probably act the same way myself.
You think you're fighting against the man, but if I'm that man, you're not fighting against me.
I'd hazzard a guess that I'm the ONLY person who has read all of this 6on6 / 5on5 stuff and actually messaged the head admins of CB, ESL, Adroits and Crossfire (and former/future admins) to discuss its implications, next steps and possible changes.
I've been doing this for too long to actually care about comments like "I'm not the only one that thinks like this" - People make assumptions based on silence because it pleases them to do so, you've done it to suit your cause.
Ignorance is not a defence to making stupid comments, if you want these organisations you've chosen to fight against to adopt your changes you're going to have to approach them on an adult level. You're going to need them at some stage.
Don't come back at me with a wealth of flame like you usually do on this site, you've just been given the best advice (all be it somewhat abusive) you're ever gonna get from someone that has been in your EXACT position before. Think about your next move, make a diplomatic move and olive branch out to other organisations - your movement has mass, you've done that far better than its been done before - now bring it home.
I didn't insult nor flame you, I just told you why I thought you were against this, if an apparently wrong opinion equals stupidity and flame then so be it. I didn't post the argument because it suites my case, I just posted it because I tought it was true, I still do anyway.
As for that olive brance, I highly doubt it. You messaged me with a statement about dates for one of your tournaments. I fail to see how this is offering any help towards me because it only makes sure there are no overlapping dates which is just useful for both of us. What I'm trying to say is that you did this for yourself as much as you did this for me, and knowing our relationship you most likely just did it for yourself.
To continue : Your advice is so basic anyone in the community could have given me that. As for making a "diplomatic" move, I don't see where I did anything else. Everyone that has talked to me concerning this project can most likely back this up.
Oh, and thanks for living in the past concerning another point you made.
You are one of the few figureheads of your movement, you will need other organisations to fulfill your dream, is it going to help or hinder you that the nicest thing most of the admins can say about you will be "Does not play well with others" (not meant in an ET term of course).
From what I was told this week about your experience with the CB ET Game Sup your unlikely to be able to revisit CB for help leaving your CF & ESL left. Don't burn your bridge out of spite or you will cost yourself and others your vision.
As for the Clanbase-sup element, either some of the clanbase admins are being twofaced or your source is wrong.
You're over thinking things.
And as I said before there have been times where I crossed the line, but I would expect you to realize that I was only 14/15/16 during those times and you could hardly expect me to actually be mature at that age, that's why I expect most people to either forget or forgive some of those times, which most people have as well btw.
Anyway, this discussion is leading nowhere, it's obvious you are good at holding grudges and very good at voicing opinions based upon nothing but hearsay ( Yes, the irony strikes me ), just as I am good at being a stupid child that flames everyone in my eyesight.
I also find it quite remarkable that everyone agrees on the fact that the 6th player in a team is a leftover and thus can be used as spawnkiller etc. A 5th player could generally be used in a same way, you would only have to change the way of playing for the rest of the team. What would happen if a 6on6 team decided to stay away from the panzerfaust and use the 6th guy in their normal defensive/offensive tactics? Just wondering basically.
You might as well sort everything under 'Random Personal Opinions'. It's just quite some people sharing them.
solved
even if 6o6 is more fun than 5o5.
Goodbye my love