they are not retards. this is what happends when your governement steals your public money an dgives it to the banks who went bankrupt because of their speculating. u guys dont know jack shit seriously. if u lived during the french revolution ud be saying the same about the ppl who took place in it. ignorants.
+ the Greece Government that told enormousness amount of lies to the european union, they should never have been allowed to join.But seriously the police did not cause the problems, so there's no need to shoot flares and throw rubble at them.
its what happends when u let neoliberalist run the world. they are bunch of cunts. but ppl here on crossfire doesnt know anything about politics, they think that the good ones are the police just because they dont know whats exactly going on there.
I've been in spain and i had to face riots, these guys are agressive and do not want to debate anything, they abused a lot of their powers and they even beaten up ppl on a wheel chair (and i was there when it happend) so if u start pascifist protests and the governement tells the police to kick u off with violence the people reacts with violence aswell, they started with the violence.
just follow up whats going on in the USA. it all started in the arabic countries then greece and spain, afterwards it was followed by the entire USA.
they are not retards. this is what happends when your governement steals your public money an dgives it to the banks who went bankrupt because of their speculating. u guys dont know jack shit seriously. if u lived during the french revolution ud be saying the same about the ppl who took place in it. ignorants.
"on the other hand,
i can understand the greek people rioting because they were betrayed by their own representatives."
if think for more 10secs u realize thats the only thing they can do, and possibly wont still change shit since the new puppet government EU planted there
well i think the eu made the right choice. send some accredited economic experts over there to bring the country back on the right path - economically. what else opportunities where left? leave them alone with yet another corrupted regime or incompetent politicians?
dont forget the greek people theirself also caused all this, not paying taxes/drawing pensions without legal cause etc.
economic experts, ending up buying tanks from USA while even in greece government didn't want to. Yet EU forces greece that the deal been proposed is good.
Only reason EU excists is because countries as french/be/nl etc expected germany to grow way too hard. They had fear germany would become to powerfull.
voting each 4 years and then looking at the governement do whatever he wants and not able to do anything about it till 4 years later to vote another cunt who'll do exactly the same thing its indeed not a real democracy but bullshit. the people should have ALOT more voice.
if your taxes are then used for bullshit like in here (they just cut 3 millions on scientist research to pay a golf tournament) then i do not want to pay any taxes either...
not to add all the corrupt politicians payng their houses out of em.
most of greece people feasted themselves on officialdom and prosperity on state costs, which the state never had the econmic power to keep up for eternity. no1 wants to get cut off his benefits. but people profited for decades, so its now just fair that they contribute there part of saving the state who allowed them to get fed, by safing money.
nevertheless the quality of governmental representatives is a completely different story. they are selfish, moronic, fuckfaces everywhere. this aint a unique problem of greece.
they are not retards. this is what happends when your governement steals your public money an dgives it to the banks who went bankrupt because of their speculating. u guys dont know jack shit seriously. if u lived during the french revolution ud be saying the same about the ppl who took place in it. ignorants.
so, you think that this gives people the right to throw whatever bullshit they do to the police?
ffs, there are laws for a reason.
and police officers are just regular people as well. They do their job.
"there are laws for a reason." :D for what reason :D not to help the people of greece at all. Police are in these moments not defending the people, so i don't get the reference to they just do their job? They defend these rich ppl, proberly receiving double salary for it aswell. They risk it, this is what they get. If they would arrive to such scene. Say hey we are here to protect you, there would be no problem. Yet they arrive in such gear.... well you can ask for it.
Police wouldnt have to do their job unless people werent on the streets fucking throwing bottles on fire (YES I DONT REMEMBER WTF THAT WAS) everywhere. Most of the people are not on the streets.. so that means, police has to make sure they wouldnt get hurt.
or what do you say, that those people on the streets, they should have the power?
I couldnt even imagine where would that end up.
and no, im not backing up.
This is retarded what the people do. That is definitely not a solution for the problem.
The only thing that Greece can do now is to force through those sanctions.
And there is no other option.
Basically every other nation in the euro-zone lent money for Greece from their own national budget. So dont start on that Greece is the only one who has to "suffer".
They protested for how long now? And greece is happy with the money from EU. As said here somewhere else, you only get 110billion if you use 5 or 10 it was for new tanks. They started protesting peacefully, like in USA and other occupy movements. First they ignored them, then they started to fight, still no changes and you wonder why these people are mad at anything government related?
they are not retards. this is what happends when your governement steals your public money an dgives it to the banks who went bankrupt because of their speculating. u guys dont know jack shit seriously. if u lived during the french revolution ud be saying the same about the ppl who took place in it. ignorants.
I'm talking about these kind of riots. What's the point in targeting those policemen? In building up hate towards people who are just doing their jobs? When they should be targeting the people who created this problem. You're right about the other problems, I'm not saying that, but this is just useless in my opinion. This solves no problems, it only creates others.
they are the ones defending the governement who stole the ppl, therefor they are the enemy now. whenever they do their duty which is serving the people we'll talk again.
That's ignorant. I wonder how you would react if your father was a policeman in Greece.. Setting people on fire is good? People who are just doing their jobs.. Ye right. If I get you, you would lynch all the politicians.. good stuff.
a lot of rioting police spoke about how unfair it is and actually didnt obey. they are persons afterall who can think, if u are morally okay u would questionate what your superiors tell u, because these riots started by police men beating up pacifist protesters and thats how it ended.
its not about catalonia going independent but all fascists like u compare it to the same crap, we fought for the same cause all over spain,
by the way catalonia wud not be like greece, study a bit of spains economy, catalonia is the wealthiest state in spain, but they are forced to give a lot of money to madrid so they give it to the rest of spain because they are as rich as mongolia.
I dont need an actual independence, i wud just ask for more rights for the catalans, but these riotings have nothiing to do with it, just cleared it up for you my lil right winged piece of shit. but dub ppl like u with low intellect make it a football fight.
yeah thats greece right now...what did you expect???
its better to fight than do nothing...
on a sidenote, Greece is the first victim of an undeclared economic war against the euro.
more countries will follow such as the so called southern european countries, Italy spain portugal wiht Ireland and probably France following.
you cannot compare libya and syria to greece...we have democracy they dont..(syria is supposed to have democracy but asad came to power without being elected and rules as a dictator)
Greeks have to choose among equally corrupted politicians..
syrie is one of the countries which has 1 building for every religion. I know you can't compare the people of greece with the rebels of libie/syrie. Simply because you don't have weapons. Ever wondered how come those mid-east countries can't have enough money for food and drink everyday (like EU people) but they do have enough to get shiny weapons? Who lives in the desert kinda and buys a shotgun?
the politicians are blamed for their incompetence...
i am not suggesting that people who dont pay their taxes are not to blame, but they do so
because the governments are unable to punish them and thus far incompetent
wow this is insane, i was talking to my friends about greece last night and how its just going down...its sad, im expecting this to happen in the u.s too.
I've been in spain and i had to face riots, these guys are agressive and do not want to debate anything, they abused a lot of their powers and they even beaten up ppl on a wheel chair (and i was there when it happend) so if u start pascifist protests and the governement tells the police to kick u off with violence the people reacts with violence aswell, they started with the violence.
just follow up whats going on in the USA. it all started in the arabic countries then greece and spain, afterwards it was followed by the entire USA.
- Governments gave banks way too much freedom and power and placed far too much reliance on the financial sector.
What's the alternative to neo liberalism?
but a REAL social democracy.
e:that will happen tomorrow in portugal
FUCKING RETARDS HURR DURR
tbh they should get some rubber bullets and shoot the shit out of those faggots
i think this fucking lying bastards of greeks should get what they deserve - cuts in public expenditure and other economic sanctions
on the other hand,
i can understand the greek people rioting because they were betrayed by their own representatives.
weird situation going on down there.
i can understand the greek people rioting because they were betrayed by their own representatives."
if think for more 10secs u realize thats the only thing they can do, and possibly wont still change shit since the new puppet government EU planted there
dont forget the greek people theirself also caused all this, not paying taxes/drawing pensions without legal cause etc.
Only reason EU excists is because countries as french/be/nl etc expected germany to grow way too hard. They had fear germany would become to powerfull.
the next fights for freedom will kill millions and either this shit system will colapse or it will be a fight that will take fuckin forever
No thanks, I'd rather have a handful of useless wankers.
i want a social democracy.
not to add all the corrupt politicians payng their houses out of em.
nevertheless the quality of governmental representatives is a completely different story. they are selfish, moronic, fuckfaces everywhere. this aint a unique problem of greece.
oh no.
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udd get angry for less
ffs, there are laws for a reason.
and police officers are just regular people as well. They do their job.
or what do you say, that those people on the streets, they should have the power?
I couldnt even imagine where would that end up.
and no, im not backing up.
This is retarded what the people do. That is definitely not a solution for the problem.
The only thing that Greece can do now is to force through those sanctions.
And there is no other option.
Basically every other nation in the euro-zone lent money for Greece from their own national budget. So dont start on that Greece is the only one who has to "suffer".
They protested for how long now? And greece is happy with the money from EU. As said here somewhere else, you only get 110billion if you use 5 or 10 it was for new tanks. They started protesting peacefully, like in USA and other occupy movements. First they ignored them, then they started to fight, still no changes and you wonder why these people are mad at anything government related?
this is what happends when u laugh at the ppl and steal from them over and over again.
by the way catalonia wud not be like greece, study a bit of spains economy, catalonia is the wealthiest state in spain, but they are forced to give a lot of money to madrid so they give it to the rest of spain because they are as rich as mongolia.
I dont need an actual independence, i wud just ask for more rights for the catalans, but these riotings have nothiing to do with it, just cleared it up for you my lil right winged piece of shit. but dub ppl like u with low intellect make it a football fight.
its better to fight than do nothing...
on a sidenote, Greece is the first victim of an undeclared economic war against the euro.
more countries will follow such as the so called southern european countries, Italy spain portugal wiht Ireland and probably France following.
Greeks have to choose among equally corrupted politicians..
in Greece there is not a single politician who can walk unharmed on the street except from the communists..
i am not suggesting that people who dont pay their taxes are not to blame, but they do so
because the governments are unable to punish them and thus far incompetent
if u are looking for a greek u will find him at local bar having a juice of smth and talking with his amigos :]
?????????
SET COPS ON FIRE
but noone of them ended up in jail..
shouldnt a kind of nemesis be ascribed?