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I've been thinking about netcoders suing fusen for a while and I've come to the view that if "hacking a server" is illegal then netcoders are actually guilty of that same crime, just in a different form. They create hacks, that others use, and these hacks are "hacking" Enemy Territory, Quake and CoD2 servers. Therefore they are guilty of the same crime fusen is. That's like saying a drug user is guilty of an offence, but a drug dealer isn't. I'd say they have absolutely no case to sue what-so-ever, and they probably know it, and in my opinion they wouldn't dare attempt a case because a) that would mean showing their real faces, and b) it would obviously fail, because if it succeeded every Enemy Territory, Quake and CoD2 server owner would have claim to sue them for hacking their servers. I unfortunately do not know the exact law for cases like these and as I'm currently home from university don't have the resources to check (yet). The point of confusion for me is; is "hacking a server" the same as "hacking a website" in the laws view?

In addition to this there is the EULA (End-User License Agreement) that is included in the booklets of some games (I know Quake 4 has this). There is a relevant part of this quoted on http://www.punksbusted.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15548.html

"4. Prohibition against Cheat Programs. Any attempt by you, either directly or indirectly, to circumvent or bypass any element of the Software to gain any advantage in multiplayer play of the Software is a material breach of this Agreement. It is a material breach of this Agreement for you, whether directly or indirectly, to create, develop, copy, reproduce, distribute, or otherwise make any use of any software program or any modification to the Software ("Cheat Program") itself that enables or allows the user thereof to obtain an advantage or otherwise exploit another Software player or user when playing the Software against other players or users on a local area network, any other network, or on the Internet. Hacking into the executable of the Software, modification of the Software, or any other use of the Software in connection with the creation, development, or use of any such unauthorized Cheat Program is a material breach of this Agreement. Cheat Programs include, but are not limited to, programs that allow Software players or users to see through walls or other level geometry; programs that allow Software players or users to change their rate of speed outside the allowable limits of the Software; programs that crash either and/or other Software players, users, PC clients, or network servers; programs that automatically target other Software players or users (commonly referred to as "aimbots") that automatically simulate Software player or user input for the purpose of gaining an advantage over other Software players or users; or any other program or modification that functions in a similar capacity or allows any prohibited conduct.

In the event you breach this Section or otherwise breach this Agreement, your license and this Agreement automatically shall terminate, without notice, and you shall have no right to play the Software against other players or make any other use of the Software."

Are there similar EULA's for games like CoD2 and Quake3? 'm not sure if there even is a EULA for Enemy Territory and I doubt it would be as strict seeing as it's a free game. But any way you look at it this contributes to the case that what netcoders are doing as a "profession" is illegal. This would depend on what country you were to take action in I guess. Also netcoders may face a case of tax evasion if they were to reveal their identity to the public in a court case, as they are not a registered company, yet are earning profits (exploitation of the weak minded who want to use hacks). I'm not sure on this point, but its true in English law.

Finally netcoders have already made threats against fusen on mIRC, crossfire forums and probably emails too, you don't need to be a lawyer to know that's illegal ;)

So conclusion; netcoders can fuck off.
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server owners cant sue shit how ever hacks violate EULA's of games
so the game developers could sue both NC users and hack makers i think
if they got money for the hacks..... did they pay the correct taxes to the gov.? :o just a thought
netcoders doesn't look like a registered company for me (no company information on the page, no place of jurisdiction, no information about commercial register, legal form etc...), so I wish them good luck explaining the judge what "business" they are doing, if it should really come to a court case. :P
I just say now to all the ET players: Dont use the hacks which they are going to publice! LET EM HAVE IT!
Actually i have to blow away all your points, yes I said blow.
:D

Be Cause:
Fusen lives in zeh Uk so we have to look at the British laws.
Since the Cheats the netCoders are / were selling are clienthooks, they are 100% legal. They just make the Cheater get some unfair Advantages. If you'd use a hack which would bypass Serverpasswords to get Info i.e. it would be illegal.

QuoteAre there similar EULA's for games like CoD2 and Quake3? 'm not sure if there even is a EULA for Enemy Territory and I doubt it would be as strict seeing as it's a free game. But any way you look at it this contributes to the case that what netcoders are doing as a "profession" is illegal. This would depend on what country you were to take action in I guess. Also netcoders may face a case of tax evasion if they were to reveal their identity to the public in a court case, as they are not a registered company, yet are earning profits (exploitation of the weak minded who want to use hacks). I'm not sure on this point, but its true in English law.

Lolz, ok. You can sue all the cheaters but you can't sue a Coder, cause Coding the Hacks is legal and will never be illegal. That's a fact.

QuoteFinally netcoders have already made threats against fusen on mIRC, crossfire forums and probably emails too, you don't need to be a lawyer to know that's illegal ;)

You didnt read anything up did you? Not illegal was well. If i see you on the streets and say to you "Tomorrow I'll break you both arms" no lawyer would sue me cause thats not illegal. But when i say to you "Tomorrow i'll stab you to death" that would be classed as Life Threatening and be illegal.
This discussion is useless. If you take a look to the facts, the absolutly worst case (and it won't happen) would be a small mulct. And no problem, we will donate it.
Sad but true, go read about it.
It's too long to read :/
Interesting thing about law and mp cheats:

link

Conclusion: Even what kind of hacks they are makeing they can fuck off.
I dind't read a thing! Too long.. Soz..
when u cheat u dont hack the server/steal informations/etc....u just use a an external programm which is forbidden by the anti cheat tool. But the anti cheat tool is not the law imo. Thats what i would say :o
Yes but this external program is hacking the game.
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PB has a EULA too =)
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you hack the game which is not allowed of the EULA
"9 c § Den som i annat fall än som sägs i 8 och 9 §§ olovligen bereder sig tillgång till upptagning för automatisk databehandling eller olovligen ändrar eller utplånar eller i register för in sådan upptagning döms för dataintrång till böter eller fängelse i högst två år." o_0

Btw which country is the database located in?
i heard germany, not sure tho
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too long for me =X
errr... I believe that the eula says something like, you can't reverser engineer the program etc. so the netcoders program creators are "guilty"... but hacking into a server and stealing some lists is a crime and I do think that there will be some kind of punishments for this... Sure I am happy to get hackers out, but don't know was it worth the risks?
by the way, just for people's information a EULA is a binding agreement that if you install the game you AGREE TO THE LICENSE that is the EULA (hence it's name 'End User License Agreement')

This is just as legitimate a license as say, eBay's when you use their service. So yes, they are doing something illegal by creating and/or using the cheats. Plus All the coders have used their own hacks to test so they immediately fall under the cheat user position
"Any attempt by you, either directly or indirectly, to circumvent or bypass any element of the Software to gain any advantage in multiplayer play of the Software is a material breach of this Agreement"

Any1 with brains can see that these lines arent just about using cheats but also apply to creating them. This actually renders the bussines of netcoders illegal which automatically deprives them of any rights in this situation.

Id say, let them sue you if they are stupid enough to do it. It would prolly mean the end of their bussinus at its current state.

BTW : i lol'ed at the gravestone remark, those guys are either utterly stupid or have a distinct sense for self-destruction
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Just for your information: According to European law, EULA's are usually/ in most cases not legal. At least if you bought the product on a data medium (e.g. a CD), because the purchase contract already allows you to use the product.
However if you e.g. downloaded the software, the EULA is legally binding, even though some articles of the EULA might not be valid due to local laws.

So in the case of ET the cheat coders breached the EULA, if the articles which prohibit e.g. reverse engineering are valid.


edit: I need to correct myself a little bit :)
According to German laws (UrhG §69; which is based on a European guideline, so this should be the case in all/most countries of Europe), reverse engineering is allowed when the software producer gives you the right to do so or when you want to create interoperability. In any other case reverse engineering is not allowed and it is a copyright violation.
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