Old kaMZ
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24 Oct 2012, 02:28
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It's been a while now since I have written something serious on here but I think it's time to speaketh teh mind again.
The discussion around ET dying is a never-ending one but the state of the game now is at its worst than it has been ever. Matches hardly get any viewers nowadays and the same feeling just ain't there anymore. People hope for ETLive like they did for X-ReaL but I can only give you kudos for being quite the optimist. For me it's not just because it's an old game and that people move on, there are other reasons such as the actual community we are apart of. I don't mean the CF wannabe trollers who sit around posting negative opinions everywhere, they are bad enough. I'm actually referring here to some others.
I had an interesting conversation today (I say interesting because I was actually surprised which is something that doesn't happen every day) involving a few players who won the recent adroits lan, namely R0SS, chry and razz. They openly bragged in a serious fashion about winning the lan and about their past achievements. What's the point? The game is near enough finished, where the hell are these achievements going to get you in life? You don't see me or others, going around bragging about my degrees which are far more of an achievement and require hard work and effort rather than sitting around all day behind a computer. Generally, if one is saying this as a joke then it's understandable (brb shining bronze medal :D) but they were very proud of this and thought it made them superior, I know this as it was used as a defense mechanism.
There are many others that fall into this category but since it was this conversation that sparked this journal, it is this I must reference to provide justification for my contribution. I also heard stories about other players such as Night and Clown, acting quite ego at the lan. Ignoring people and thinking they're cool or some shit. The community is full of disloyal and disrespectful arrogant players who think they're above anybody else. Yet it is these people who moan and bitch about ET dying, which of course we all know it is. TZAC is getting dropped and I can't blame chaplja for his reasons. This site is pretty much dead. We've just most likely seen the last lan event. "Top" matches struggle to get 100 viewers, whereas 500 would be disappointing in the days.
I don't understand the mind-set of these players. How can you have such a huge ego and display such arrogance for something that means so little? There are people in the world who are great at sports, selling millions of albums in music, making box office hit movies, yet the majority of them remain humble and modest, and are inspirational individuals.
These same players ask who is killing ET? It's you my friends. Let's be honest, the only reason half of these "top" players play is because they've spent so long trying to be good and can't succeed in proper games that require real teamwork and team unity. Take a look at Winghaven and reload, as soon as they realised they didn't need ET anymore, they were out of here quicker than a sqzz flag cap. But these guys do not play for the love of the game, if they did then why would they care so much for prizes and money?
Think what impression this gives on the lower skilled and new players, it's not good. There are probably loads of these "lower" skilled players right now reading and agreeing but never had the courage or platform to express their opinion, well I am the voice of these people, because I see the bigger picture.
This one is sure to develop controversy but it's something that needs to be said. You are the reason for ET dying.
P.S. Wrote this in liike a couple of minutes so will most likely be editing hehe :)
Kamz
The discussion around ET dying is a never-ending one but the state of the game now is at its worst than it has been ever. Matches hardly get any viewers nowadays and the same feeling just ain't there anymore. People hope for ETLive like they did for X-ReaL but I can only give you kudos for being quite the optimist. For me it's not just because it's an old game and that people move on, there are other reasons such as the actual community we are apart of. I don't mean the CF wannabe trollers who sit around posting negative opinions everywhere, they are bad enough. I'm actually referring here to some others.
I had an interesting conversation today (I say interesting because I was actually surprised which is something that doesn't happen every day) involving a few players who won the recent adroits lan, namely R0SS, chry and razz. They openly bragged in a serious fashion about winning the lan and about their past achievements. What's the point? The game is near enough finished, where the hell are these achievements going to get you in life? You don't see me or others, going around bragging about my degrees which are far more of an achievement and require hard work and effort rather than sitting around all day behind a computer. Generally, if one is saying this as a joke then it's understandable (brb shining bronze medal :D) but they were very proud of this and thought it made them superior, I know this as it was used as a defense mechanism.
There are many others that fall into this category but since it was this conversation that sparked this journal, it is this I must reference to provide justification for my contribution. I also heard stories about other players such as Night and Clown, acting quite ego at the lan. Ignoring people and thinking they're cool or some shit. The community is full of disloyal and disrespectful arrogant players who think they're above anybody else. Yet it is these people who moan and bitch about ET dying, which of course we all know it is. TZAC is getting dropped and I can't blame chaplja for his reasons. This site is pretty much dead. We've just most likely seen the last lan event. "Top" matches struggle to get 100 viewers, whereas 500 would be disappointing in the days.
I don't understand the mind-set of these players. How can you have such a huge ego and display such arrogance for something that means so little? There are people in the world who are great at sports, selling millions of albums in music, making box office hit movies, yet the majority of them remain humble and modest, and are inspirational individuals.
These same players ask who is killing ET? It's you my friends. Let's be honest, the only reason half of these "top" players play is because they've spent so long trying to be good and can't succeed in proper games that require real teamwork and team unity. Take a look at Winghaven and reload, as soon as they realised they didn't need ET anymore, they were out of here quicker than a sqzz flag cap. But these guys do not play for the love of the game, if they did then why would they care so much for prizes and money?
Think what impression this gives on the lower skilled and new players, it's not good. There are probably loads of these "lower" skilled players right now reading and agreeing but never had the courage or platform to express their opinion, well I am the voice of these people, because I see the bigger picture.
This one is sure to develop controversy but it's something that needs to be said. You are the reason for ET dying.
P.S. Wrote this in liike a couple of minutes so will most likely be editing hehe :)
Kamz
Serious note I completely agree with it all ive seen a lot of arrogant players I have been inactive for 7 months. But when I was playing I was trying so hard to push for the top and actually try playing for a decent team, I had decent aim and brains however I never really got the chance some people should get.
All I ever really see is BIG old named players flying around even when I return after several months, where are the new talent ? I just believe that maybe some people should have gotten more chances. You may think im trolling but im not last time I played with goku he seemed to have improved quite a fair bit yet I never seen him getting pushed for a team he has skills in quakelive to ( compared to me im shite )
Just think maybe some people deserved a bit more respect and more opportunities and maybe there would be more teams going out there. Instead of same old teams all the time.
Also I completely agree with the tzac situation if I made an anticheat which trust me was really good and secure, I would be pretty pissed not generating any income, there is no anticheat as good as tzac was.
Pansy's article on the "old boys club" is better suited to players rather than other community/gaming roles.
In fact, i even feel bad for some of this guys. Without putting names here, neither through any direct offense, well i wanna say that this kind of behavior only show the shit personality they have.
In a future job this won't help, neither all the trophies or the time wasted.
Now the real thing:
- in 10 years, you will be saying you won x/y/z and it will be worth nothing (oh wait.. it's already 0 worthy..), while some other people who wasted less time will keep being proud of their bachelor/master/phd diplomas.
THATS what gives real life status if that's what they are looking for.
But i don't think it is the main problem of ET. We had ego players since ever, some even completely unreachable (/me looks at mystic). Thats gets 0 respect out of me.
"colt45 will be dropping from Eurocup and playing ESL Storm Assault only"
Lots of love to the community.
Shoutouts to: Kamz,miXer, potty, R0SS, razz, koop, Goku, fumble, mikeh, Piegie best friend, IceQ china man, Artstar one big prick, loCkheed tj teacher, olbaa hater, Salaneuvos whatever your name is, Element, methoj, Scarzy, ppE, peaches, anim, Jinosta, ag0n, setup, Brisk, ant1y, CoCo, Cupra, casek, hsTE, ipod, Icecrust, torm, Scatman,phyzic and many others I forgot by typing this troll post. <3<3
He is the one that confuses me the most. You see him at lan and he is a nice guy, quite timid but that's fine. Can't say a bad word about him. But online, he can act really strange sometimes. Maybe it's his passion for the game or maybe it's his ego or maybe even both. I dunno. Maybe it's because he is constantly accused of getting carried by his teams so he always feels like he has something to prove, which maybe even I can relate to a certain extent.
you seen nothing :D
Every game dies eventually , 1.6 will die in a few years and hell even sc2 will die in sum years when something new and better comes out .
thats just the evolution of life
Atleast we´ve been lucky enough to enjoy many good years of et :)
Keep I mind I completely understanding only wanting to play with people you know/have played with previously but there is a difference between that and at least being open to the community for other activities/involvement.
Check the etpro servers, people are still playing this old game, the problem is that they arent playing this game on a competitive way. I think many of them havent heard about tzac and the way we play this game.
Create a group of people and recruit those 2 maybe 300 players.
Have a nice day loekino
I dont think theres something wrong with the community, if this community was much bigger, much more things could of happened because there are pretty smart guys who have been doing shit for this community, however we have to face the fact that ET was never most popular game among gamers, cs,quakelive,lol,dota,cod,bf and other games beat the crap out of it and wolfenstein was a failure, which would of been the game where most of the players could of moved on for bigger challenges and prizes
I think we should leave this shit alone and let ET go to the RIP mode... start playing other games and sometimes have fun in publics, no point to whine about chaplja and other guys who atleast did something for this community
gg wp ET
I had a talk with gifty the last lan half a year ago and we had a talk about skill levels compared to years ago. So many ppl call themselves med, descent or even higher. But this lies totally in their way to get into higher skilled teams.
If I search a merc and he claims to be med, I don't want to lose because he gets stupid fulls because he either is stupid or he goes full rambo. So why should I ever play with him again if I want a challenging game?
tl;dr-version:
There is a thin line between overrating and underrating and most of the players tend to overrate.
Also the 'trolling' on this site here resembles to arrogance for a new user.
I am olgas fanboy :D
e: will be revenued with beer on the next lan!
very nice searching skills :)
If you have a fix for that, let me know. Saying I should do something I don't enjoy to better the community isn't a solution though.
one mistake and he is out of favor instead of explaining and helping to get better - and when you are under presure you will never play the way you are able too when you are relaxed - you must enjoy the moment while playing and feel safe to play the best you can - so you need to be accepted in the team you are playing with - and this is hard to reach because of so many prejudices
I don't see how arrogance can be killing this game, and even if so called oldschoolers don't want to play with new guys it doesn't necessarily mean they are being ego/arrogant. I personally don't want to play with people I don't know, I just don't see a fun in that. But there are many, lets say, less skilled players I like to play and chat with. If you want to call such "selective" play an ego, go for it, that's your choice, not mine. Even in real life you have your circle of friends you want to hang out on regular basis, you don't want to meet new ppl every time you go out.
When I was at CiC7 I met a lot of people there, had a really good chats with some peeps (I shared few minutes with Clown and Night as well, didn't catch any arrogance from them tbh). If I were to some other lans (like adroits) I would like to talk to old known faces again without the need to meet ppl I didn't even heard of. And what if they had just a bad day? Shit happens, not every time you go to lan you have to be cheerful and stuff. It's easy to mistake bad mood with arrogant behavior.
Regarding Wing and reload - wise man once said: "when you are good at something, never do it for free". Some people need challenge, thrill to enjoy the game. If it means they have to play for actual money and not just for the fun of it without any benefit whatsoever, who are we to judge them? Afaik they pay their bills with that money (+some online poker or smth). ET is getting into deep "shit" for few years already, there were some efforts to make it a bit more alive (changing formats, new AC, open lans...) but there is not much more to do for an old game, unfortunately noone has magic "bring ET golden age back" button. You won't attract new players and keeping old ones is tougher and tougher.
And even if I was serious, it is something worth bragging about, unlike achievements in a near enough dead game.
This comment was a funny one though. You tried to glorify ET achievements based on the setting that we are in, attempting to inject some value into it. But the fact of the matter is that it is still worth nothing nowadays. Where as real life achievements will get you far in life, make you happy and stay with you for life.
And about you not wanting to meet new people when you go out. That is not even close to a comparison of what is being discussed here. It would be closer to a celebrity not meeting his fans. These lower skilled players want to play with the better players for the experience and to learn from it. From what I have seen over the years is that the lower skilled community has a lot more personality and are more fun to talk to than the others.
Btw, not every celebrity is kind or pleasant, or wanting to meet their fans. As I said, if you catch someone in bad mood he/she will not make a good impression on you. But I agree that those lower skilled communities are more fun to hang out with, mainly because they are build on different pillars than high skilled groups.
I have often found myself in a situation with skilled players where I was thinking to myself: "What an asshole". A good example for this is playing as a mercenary for these players or teams. There have been times I was completely being ignored by them, not even a polite "Hi" was in order. Or even worse, being replaced by a better player without even being informed and just rudely being kicked for it. It is understandable for you wanting to play with people you know. It is nice to have a chat with these guys after you haven't seen them for a while, and it is also great to play with players of your own skill. But this doesn't mean you can't at least have the decency to inform someone about bringing in a substitute for you.
But on the other hand, there are so many nice players around in the community. My personal - and most noticable - experiences with this was at the ET Masters LAN in June. It is there I was confronted with the fact that not all of them are arrogant players. I met two of the nicest guys there by the names of
Therefor I say; don't be too quick to judge. I, myself, have made the mistake to accuse players of being arrogant, but for all the wrong reasons. Things aren't always what they seem they are. You have to be open-minded to get to know other players, regardless their skill level. And even though - from the outside - they might look arrogant (or maybe even intimidating) this is not always the case.
Don't judge a book by it's cover.
Read the story to understand what it's about.
i mean even if u are a backup for a team , you still have to play some practices don,t you ? how are you going to omogenize with the rest of the group ? how are you going to be in touch with the tax ?
you can even get a merc to play as a backup
sorry for going a little off the subject
and yea, wanted to say that not only allstars are arrogant, medskilled wannabes are also
now it came back to my mind
that fuckin arrogant
im so sorry for calling you arrogant and wannabe(got mad :D)...
i could hardly believe it was you but now , i got it
sorry again ! :(
post edited :D
oh well, but I can't be compared with the old-school players, I've been around for like half a year or so and I'm still quite bad in my opinion :D
fuck you
Lovely sentence :D
me & olbaa play there sometimes :) I mostly get mad cos them pubbers roll my sorry ass.
WE NEED MORE CROSSFIRE DRAFT TOURNAMENTS with allstar captains and lower players. Raising the skill of the community will lead to more teams taking part at LAN's , which will get better prizes and therefor more players.
I would help with whatever I can.
so why would u play a dieing game where u suck ?
if ppl could get close to skilled, the shit will get serious
if u get skilled by urself
nobody will take you serious or even care you got there
most ppl will take you as a cheater
and it requires too much time and dedication as you said to get known by urself
this game is not worth at the moment spending ur free time to get good at it
i have done this mistake , and i only got to regret it so much :S
If you want to play this game to be good you need dedication and not an attitude like this. You have to ask yourself what do you really want from ET? For my it's having fun and besides that I even practice my English a bit. And getting skilled yourself means you will play a pub or something to learn the basic aim lessons and after that play 3on3/6on6 at low+/med- level till you get game sense and you will meet a shitload of people there. It's not possible to go from low+ to med+ without practice in wars.....
I would have written this more carefully if I would have had more time but I have to leave for work now.
i mean not now , but in the past it did
i really asked myself , "what do i really want?" and the answer was: I WANT TO GO TO LAN,meet new people,make douzins of friends there and even showoff my skills /team skills(winning it not mandatory :DDDD) !
i've started to make better use of time playing ET than before (no more med- games hi polaks !', rare pubbing, and mostly wars/officials for brain/concentration practice), even wanted to start watching demos to get new tactics. I think this game is a great brain trainer
actually started to write all my ET beliefs but that will result into me getting flamed and stuff like that
tl;dr whenever i play ET , i play only wars against med or above players. we know we wont beat them but make some nice actions which will lead into our gaming style getting better
sorry for my writing style (there might some boring lines :S)
cheers !
- if you play football you try to play as good as you can, you try to improve and to win, but you play it for free and because you enjoy it. Same goes for ET, the difference is as kamz said above that some are arrogant.
Instead of saying this you could have worked out a proper idea, with working out I mean write it down. See what exactly you lack and think where you could obtain this information or service. Contact the people neccesary to get to your end goal. write a draft newspost and ask people who did it before to take a look at it (some might be able to help you out but don't let one person make the difference, what I mean with that if someone says can't be arsed to help you or I don't have time for this there are probably other people who can help you out.
Once you got it all figured out with rules and possible scenarios how your project could get screwed up and make solutions for them already you can make a newspost (a lot of this isn't done by the most but if you want to be succesfull you should have a proper plan with bad scenario solutions)
My message, instead of saying "I can't do it" get of your ass and try it, try it as good as you can.
How does a draft tournament work?
What kind of people would I have to talk to to provide me with servers etc. (don't even know what's needed).
If I get the first question answered, I'd be so much better prepared to even consider getting into this.
You do go and brag about basically every little thing in your life, even your et achievements. I'm not gonna go any further into that but if I had to rate the top 10 most ego players in this game, you'd get your shining bronze medal, if not more.
Of course everybody can have a bad day and as a result, act ego & so on. I do that myself as well and it's not something I'm proud of.
And on a side note, as I just this year got into the "skilled scene", you were the person being most hostile towards a new player like myself.
I remember you arguing how you almost beat fintastic 5 and how mind is shit compared to you.
Before I was a known player you just flamed us (codelust) in game, treated me and the others with nothing but disrespect. Just saying.
Mind is somebody I flamed only because he is an idiot. I'm not really alone in this statement so I don't really need to go further in that one.
I don't remember flaming you neither. But ah well. My apologies. I can admit where I have done something wrong.
I just hate your hypocrisy when in my opinion you are the best example of all that is wrong with this community.
retarded comments, flaming, trolling = kamz not caring
journals about et dying because of retarded behaviour in cf = kamz suddenly caring
i rest my case.
I would take this journal seriously if it was written by someone else, someone who's journals I don't read twice just wondering is this guy serious or not.
Whilst I was flaming retards and trolling gaming websites with harmless trolls, I was also spending time contributing for this game. Yet you don't seem to remember that? Because you only want to bring up what is negative in your eyes ;)
On a real note, yes its pretty funny how those nerds who played this game since forever consider themselves ultra talented because they are on the top when most ppl dont play the game anymore. Come to sc2 and be a top player like me when there are 1 million other guys playing :D?
that doesnt mean i wouldnt be proud if I won lan though, despite it not being much of an achievement even in the game itself
So don't come here and tell people ET is not an achievement only because you quit playing half a year ago and are now in college and you think you are awesome because you leave the house more than twice a week. I think we all very well know ET achievements mean nothing when it comes to jobs or friends, however we are on a community site and a LAN IS a gaming spot. So we get to flunk around our e-chievements.
Only a few weeks ago you made a journal how playing at a LAN helped you get a job, that contradicts your bloody journal as well.
And you compare that with this journal about ET dying? Please note that I said ET achievements here and not achievements of other games. I understand that some people want to portray themselves as smart but you have failed in my eyes here.
This journal about ET dying is you saying that people shouldn't be acting tough and arrogant because of things they've achieved in ET, however within this community these achievements DO matter. And they did matter to you in the fairly recent past too! However now you act like they are being silly puddings for thinking it all matters. You were one of them though! So you are not in the position to point a finger at anyone.
If you think I was trying to portray myself as smart in my first post and in any other I made after it..... Well... I don't even know what to say to that.
This is so true! Thanks for stating this. It's actually pretty funny, that this is coming from someone like you.
If someone has been disrespectful towards a game and it's community, it is you.
Those actions did upset and annoy a lot of people that didn't even know you and so therefor never showed you any disrespect.
Perhaps your interpretation of disrespect is that nobody bows down before you =D
Thing is though, I think a lot of competition players here had to have some sort of ego to keep playing competitions. Some part of you has to believe you have what it takes, even if it's just for some silly game. The problem some people have, is that they can't put their talents or accomplishments into perspective. And then you get arrogant pricks who think it makes them better than others. It's indeed true that those truely respected, know how to be humble yet honest.
about the tzac problem: bring pb back! better than nothing
Seriously, WHY THE FUCK do you have to be "known" to get into a team or to play with someone? every single guy who is better than low+ is thinking he has to know everyone he's going to play with i mean come on... i wrote to 4 or 5 lan teams for the Adroits Lan and every single one (except MYs) was saying "nah, no one knows you, no point in playing with you", eventhough i send an ettv-matchlink in which i played against that team.
It's totally okay if you don't want to play with a total random if you are mixing with 4 of your friends and dont want to ruin the fun with a "random-polish-no-english-bad-comms"-guy (you can swap polish with whatever country you dislike the most) but i dont see the point not playing with someone in a team just because he is "unknown". (unknown in the sens of YOU dont know that person)
I for myself am playing since 2005 and every single year since 2007 nearly everyone i played during the year quit meaning everyone that i was "known" to was gone. Getting to know new players wasn't a problem till about 2010 when everyone was riding on the "known"-train and since then everytime i searched for a new team i had to get in touch with the few people i knew and ask them "is there anyone you know that is searching for a 6th, can you vouch for me bla bla bla".
One way would have been playing 3on3 24/7 which i didnt have the time for or sucking asses like specula is doing everywhere on cf and gtv... so please, just because you dont know someone, give him a chance, play with him. you can still kick him afterwards if he's really that much of a sucker.
I can see that teams want to see who might be open for playing with them eventhough they someone in mind - totally fair. but there are still way to many guys just looking at names w/o thinking and that is the point i hate the most.
probably a good thing you didn't join any of them then right? :D
Noone in this community is killing ET, that's just nonsense. There are people who are annoying but they wouldn't achieve to kill a game. As any product ET has a product life circle. It's a miracle it lasted for this long concidering how insanely hard it is to install. Without innovations and improvements ET will sooner or later die.
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My impression is that ET's users are turning older and older (but not more mature). I remember many 13,14,15,16 & 17 year old players back in the days. ET has nothing to offer them anymore. You don't fall in love with ET on first sight. It's ugly and hard to install.
It's just a matter of time until our "old users" jump of gaming because other values become more important, such as carrier, girlfriend, wife, kids, other interests etc.
People make kamz mad/offended -> You can be sure a wall of text comes out.
I had to log in once again to comment in this nonsense. Cant take anything serious when it comes out of ur mouth kamz :D (And im sure you know why as most of people have stated it, past is past we all know that but it stays in everyones mind what sort of kid u used to be or are still.) You keep re-re-re-re-re-repeating that its all trolling in the end when you get more and more flamed :D thats just bleeh :D
you been bragging about every little thing in your life ( real life and pc life )
allways acting like you dont give a fuck but still you do so hard your best and still you suck....
keep on making a fool out of yourself
and btw kamz mad cause they didnt pick him in the team... then making comments on gamestv like if i was engi we would have the tank instantly... coming online and saying that the 1st place is nothing to be proud off.. so we started laughing with him about his achievements and shit kamz mad kamz making a post like a little attention whore.......
You just got mad because I didn't bow down to you for winning the lan. Because it means fuck all for most of us but it means a lot for you it seems :/
And now you're making stuff up about me being mad I was selected in your team, because you feel threatened.
i was mad we lost the game cause everyone playing like a rambo then i also prefer to play another class then engi and please kamz... you have bow down your whole life allready and trying to asslick your way up and allways talking like i'm the best engi i'm the best teamplayer i'm the best aimer and shit like that :D
You are just mad that I mentioned your name there that you don't even know what you're saying right now.
I'm sure in a few years you will be cleaning toilets and telling everybody that comes to take a piss how you won adroits :D
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