RTCW better than ET ?
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7 Nov 2012, 22:35
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first of all, im an ET player
but recently , with all this coverage,games,casts and videos of official games from years ago,quakecon 2003, falx and all kind of teams i cant remember being casted by warwitch and some other guy
i started to see RTCW completely differen; actually there is the real teamwork,
now i think ET is something like a showoff, a stage where one can prove his individual skill, doing triples+super movement dodging enemies doc run etc. ~this kind of things might rarely happen in RTCW
don't you think the same ?
homiee's video really impressed me :S
but recently , with all this coverage,games,casts and videos of official games from years ago,quakecon 2003, falx and all kind of teams i cant remember being casted by warwitch and some other guy
i started to see RTCW completely differen; actually there is the real teamwork,
now i think ET is something like a showoff, a stage where one can prove his individual skill, doing triples+super movement dodging enemies doc run etc. ~this kind of things might rarely happen in RTCW
don't you think the same ?
homiee's video really impressed me :S
ofc its better..
it is so skilled , and has way more higher difficulty then ET
now i understand why kris didnt like ET
why did it die... i think its the same thing as we are facing in ET atm
cant rly talk about rtcw since i didnt play it that much, i was 12 or younger when i did :D
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dumb fuck as fuck
ur either smart or dumb as fuck
Just a shit community -> the reason why this game doesnt have any newcomers...
I was there for a long time,just didnt write anything :-))
so no
so yea
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And how exactly is it so much more skilled than et?
I prefer rtcw over et because the gameplay in general is faster.
Smaller maps, less secondary objectives, faster movement, faster firerate, no vehicles to drag along etc.
Have you ever given it a try I wonder?
e: like few ppl have already mentioned the only better/more skilled factor in rtcw is lack of rifle
2 will suffice.
Could you provide me with some arguments why is rtcw so much better ?
faster gameplay is more exciting for spec
medics are not op
faster gameplay is more exiting for spec I agree but on the other hand it means there is more "random/luck" involved which makes the game worse for the competitive scene
medics are not op - again I lack knowledge on this so you need to elaborate (though I dont consider medics to be op in et)
no, faster gameplay doesnt mean theres more luck involved, just look @ tdm... its just means you need to be more concentrated to understand whats going on...
medics in et are like one man army with their ability to pick up weapons... in rtcw they need lts aka field opses to get ammo.. this point connects a lot with my 1st point
Ok, maybe its not luck but smaller, 1 obj, faster maps mean that every mistake is crucial. Maybe this makes the game less predictable and therefore better for spectators but worse for the competition ( a shit team can win against a much better team becouse of a random mistake which would almost never happen in a map with 3 stages).
And really the main difference for me is the faster firerate and bigger spread. This makes rtcw more of a "flickshot" aim based game than tracking which I really like in et :)
this random factor you're talking about was nullified by match system... i didnt watch rtcw for some time, but i belive you did play every map twice... if sw round was split the result of map was 1:1
i belive bigger spread means you have to aim better... just look @ mystic, crumbs or kris...
Of course you won't understand the following I'm about to say but the heck with it: I never said rtcw was better than et, but different, and gave you the reasons why. You're the one saying et > rtcw, which is just false, therefore, brain scans.
felt like the worse version of et to me
e: like few ppl have already mentioned the only better/more skilled factor in rtcw is lack of rifle
So you just said you like et better than rtcw rather than stating it as fact? Well duh what was I thinking, silly me.
Goodbye dumbass, nice talking to you!
As the et pro you are you thought hell yeah I'm gonna join this random pub server right here and show em who's boss.
After getting out gunned by shrub noobs and several full spawns later, feelings of doubt and insecurity start to arise, the whole ordeal is frightening and is leaving you confused, so confused in fact that you even forgot your nationality in the process.
As a last ditch effort to save you from madness you try to convince yourself that it's the game and not your own abilities.
At this point you are sucking your thumb while you proceed to quit rtcw and quickly uninstall it to forget this horrible experience.
Trying to get back into your comfort zone you launch up et again, but it's not working, rtcw has left a permanent scar on your psychological state. Countless sleepless nights later you can go no further and seek out psychological help.
Years of therapy have finally succeeded in putting your mind at ease, that is until one day you read your favourite website, crossfire, when a wild journal with the title RTCW better than ET ? appears.
All the feelings you had tried to suppress are suddenly all coming back, you're reliving the nightmare.
Confused again you start spouting nonsense all over the place trying to convince people why et is better, but to no avail, people aren't listening.
What the future may hold has yet to be revealed, but I am dying to know the outcome.
Just brilliant! - I loved it.
:D
i personally cant play ET without hitboxes :S
replace falx by badass, cuz they just got an asswhooping!
lol joking, <3 voice.
Don't know, ET and RtCW are both about teamplay tbh, the classes are just a bit different and RtCW is faster. In ET, you always have the rambo medic and the Fops that take care of the damage. In RtCW its the panzer that gets the most damage (normally) cuz of the sick dmg one panzershot can do. The game looks the same, but game-wise it feels really different. I like both games tho.
still, to me its more CS than ET is, and we all know how big CS is -- so could be objectively speaking its actually better
Few things I really like about rtcw when compared with ET:
+ no rifle nade
+ no landmines (probably why chry doesn't play it)
+ movement is a more like quake
+ prefer the player models/textures
+ funnier vsays (seems lame but massively adds to enjoyment factor)
also watching ET players try to single knife gib is good. all hitboxes are like a quarter of the size so takes a bit more accuracy ;)
but ET is better imo.
rtcw > et, trolololol et sux
Because:
Most top rtcw players cant play ET on higher level and same goes otherway around which is mostly because of a bit different spread and hitboxes. Though there are few excellent exceptions such as crumbs.
It's all about preferences. For myself I'd say ET is better because there's a wider range of things and possibilities but rtcw is somehow nostaligic. Either way which ever game was more popular, I'd still be interested in playing it.
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As for people saying RTCW players can't play on top level, that's just silly. Most of the top teams (gunslingers, dignitas, e* etc) back when ET was at its peak were composed of lots of RTCW players. Most of them haven't played ET for a long time, however.
are you familiar with the doctors clan? they pretty much owned every game they played, and guess what: they did play rtcw
also: just because some ppl were too old to play the game, it doesnt mean they were worse players than the ones after them
Basically there isn't even too much to discuss about this imo. I'm sure that everyone agrees that a player who starts playing ET with RtCW experience has an advantage over someone who doesen't have it. Also just with RtCW experience you can't beat those who have played ET on a top level for a longer time, atleast straight away.
and most of maps didnt have this annoying time of not doing a shit, just because you wait for dynamite, or vehicle
same game.
RtCW better then ET? they r so diferent that u cant even compare it... this 2 games becamed a little bit mor likely when u changed the format to 6o6 like in the begining but they r steel completly different. the only map u guys play at top level is frostbite and most of high+ players hate it saying its a fucking lotto map. i never understood why u guys ware saying this till i saw a match with everyone jumping the back with normal jump. lol y that can destroy the map. the rest of ur maps if they dont have at least 3 stages they sux. lol gg
i have no dought in february MAX the channel #rtcw.wars will have 40~50 guys where 20 are active and if thers any war it will be just the same mix teams has it was in the past 3 years or even more...
So what is the difference between this cup and the last ones? why does this one have 24 teams and the last ones had max of the max 8 and normally 4? just the coverage and thats exacly what brought every ET skilled players to rtcw. IMAGE! razz askd me 3 times today if we had wtv :) love u bra!
so the only think i rly think RtCW is better than ET is the community. i could say we r 20 and no one is gamming mor then 4 or 5 hours per week since ther r no avi enought players so normally we r comenting soocer games or real life shits etc.. any kid who tryes to j our communty basically dosent stan mor then 1 week.
cheers
=)
Let's return to Castle Wolfenstein.
There's a lot of people who believe Adroits was the last ET Lan, combining the two communities might just be what is needed to get the numbers up for a next lan.
I visited Adroits together with a few other RtCW players and all of us said that, and i quote: "If there's ever going to be another ET Lan we should sign up with a team consisting out of RtCW players" (we'd be shit though).
But as some people pointed out, RtCW needs ET and maybe we've just reached the point where ET needs RtCW too!
On that note, timing is crucial! Unfortunate as it is, we must be realistic and accept that half of the people that now play RtCW will dissapear again once their role in the cup is over unless there is a new goal to aim for.
RTCW LAN
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
WOULD BE SO AWESOME, it will attract loads of people
people who played return to castle wolfenstein are ALL OVER THIS WORLD
i mean ,the viewer rate should go insane like 800 ppl at least if it gets casted online from lan
+ other people spectating LAN from that city
all the people would be like : WTF , LAN ? AFTER 12 years ???and they will be caught by nostalgia etc....
take for example warwitch's showmatch cast with boomer , 350 viewers out of unknown brought mostly by pansy from twitter !
(i think i started we just starte a hype here :D)
are you reffering to just a part of it ? or the whole comment ?
in romania for example almost everybody i knew played RTCW, most of them starting to play it by watching their dads playing it
same goes for me.
he was playing RTCW sp together with one family friend of ours :D if they didn't know how to pass some missions they would just ring each other :D
we had to use passwords to kill Heinrich :]
who told you about this game ? or you found it just by urself ?
do it
Hey... maybe stick with your "awesome" games and stop trolling on this site, eh? ;)
it's just the mentality of people playing an old game, they didn't like ET because they got used to RTCW. look at how ET players reacted to ETQW, Wolfenstein, Brink etc. most who played X game first will always look at it like it's better, like the dumb comment by DtSje where he said ET's peak was in 2004 (gunslingers, estar etc). the skill back then isn't even comparable to 06/07 onwards.
also if I hated rtcw (which I don't) I wouldn't be playing it and I wouldn't support the tournaments (which I do for years now).
rtcw players just have this thing for crying out how much better the game is than ET.
Teams like estar and gunslingers had some fantastic players who would most likely still perform at a top level if they had continued to play.
It's a silly argument anyways as to which players are better/which game is better, as arguments like that only end in tears anyway.
I agree there was a gradual decline since 2007 but not in terms of skill (before this year maybe). new teams were smashing the old pro's all the time and this is why they left, if they stayed they would continue to get hammered by the newer stars.
You do seem to place a lot of emphasis on skill too, personally I consider the atmosphere that surrounds the community and the games being played at the time to be far more important.
An example would be Eurocup X, which had a ridiculously exciting final that few have managed to better since.
and the reason you view ET's early years as exciting is because it was NEW at the time. nothing else. there are 2 ways a community can be mature, when a game is only 1-2 years old (afterwards the majority remaining are kids, e.g. in ET) and when the community is really small (like RTCW). with such a small community everyone is closer.. less rivalries, drama, kids don't get the opportunity to be kids.
Why are you telling me the reasons why I find something exciting? I'm pretty sure I can make my own mind up. For example, read my previous message again.
EC X had an exciting final, so did EC XI (u96d vs parodia) / EC XII (idle.ee vs uQ) / EC XIII (idle.ee vs ND) / EC XVII (mPG vs EDiT) / EC XXII (TLR vs Dignitas) and countless more. ridiculously interesting finals are hard to come by but when there's a shoutcaster like toss, trillian, keyring or something there will always be a fair amount of interest. the point is, there is nothing 2004 had that laters years lacked, except for less knowledge about the game (meaning new tactics were being tested).
Be that hypocrisy as it may I think perhaps it's time to end this discussion because this is utterly pointless and I'm off to watch James Bond.
isn't you trying to pass opinion off as fact? I think you're right, neverending discussion.
Enough niceness, basically old fags (or wnb-old fags) against new fags.
Just give it a rest already, play what you want and shut up.
only thing i really dislike about rtcw is that the panzer is so ridiculously overpowered that on sum maps it makes me wanna kill myself
You can't tell me you haven't experienced a match where the other teams rifle nade absolutely dominated and changed the outcome of the match.
Or do a 360 and make multikills like
My opinions are because once upon a time, you had to PAY with REAL money for RTCW (now you can D/L it along with a key-gen... it killed the game) and once ET became available and FREE to play... Well :)
And i like the hit boxes and movement better of et, but that must be because i started with ET in the first place.
RTCW got the far better movement, hell I love strafejumping in this game its so much faster
Weaponsounds are much better in RTCW (still don't get why they changed it to those boring sounds)
Weapons actually have different shooting pace, which is more interesting, imo
RTCW has no annoying Rifle laming all over the place
ET has the better netcode / antilag
ET has better hitboxes, try shooting highacc's in RTCW (I'm an ETPlayer obviously, so I whine at that :D)
ET has the bigger community (as of now)
ET has better maps (again this is my opinion)
If I had to chose which1 to play atm, I'd gladly say RTCW though, not because it gets hyped every 2 years for a month or so, but I'm kinda tired of ET. Would be cool to have atleast 3 - 4 public servers to enjoy the game once more (sorry haven't really followed it the last 2 years)
I play RTCW too , i like the panzer ofc and the sounds , the gibs are less at all in rtcw as in ET , too bad theres no rifle nade , since i have no skill with SMG i suck hard @ RTCW haha , but i dont care i play PANZER! ;:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=92NC5uEMyk8#t=269s
rtcw or ET? because that's definitely not ET. :DD this is the biggest the rtcw community has been in like 4 years probably, and there's like less that 70 people playing. ET has hundreds of active players.
u in RTCW = random player
ET had a short period in which teamplay met insane individual skill which made events enjoyable to watch - now it*s just boring in and out.
furthermore almost every 9th of 10 games are shit cuz the opponents are calling you lows, if u dont get the flag in supply in 2 minutes and if ure 2 good theyre insulting with senseless crap...
fuq dis community mostly.. and tbh, the hitboxes in et are shit aswell since u can also hit 3 headshots if ure aiming on the opponents stomatch or even his feets... also a big minus goes to etpro since there wasnt any new update since 2007...
RTCW > ET in all ways...
that's subjective, it's boring for you for X reason. I enjoy playing both ET and RTCW but I don't find ET boring at all. maybe stop playing low-med games? might be more challenging. point #1 incorrect.
where are the new RTCW maps? they are new to you because you never played ice, base, village, assualt before competitively. so your 2nd point is wrong.
you mean.. shit-talk? happens everywhere, nothing to do with ET. RTCW players talk shit too and people talk shit in kfc so what's your fucking point? there isn't one. #3 = wrong.
it's called SPREAD. if you spend your whole clip then some bullets go stray. go play CS where you need to shoot the feet after the first bullet if you want to get any headshots. + rtcw has fucked up spread too so point #4 is INCORRECT.
when was the last OSP update for RTCW? 2005? 2004? every single point you said is WRONG.
neither game is better, retards need to fucking learn this.
u didnt stand a chance in about 10 3on3s in the last month... #1 incorrect
i didnt compare the mapthing with rtcw, cuz i know there wasnt any updates or new maps in rtcw...
that game is/was a WAY more dead than ET already...
the shittalk thing? well in cod4 ive got mayb 2/10 games with abusive kids... in ET u got 9/10...
obiously rtcw's hitboxes are much different than ET's ones..
and at last... grow up and stop these abusive comments to people who just wrote their mind 2 people who asked for it (the one who created this journal) proofs my point: 9/10 games are people who call other people retards and stuff...
seems like u wanna teach me ur opinion :P
Ive played cod for quite a while and at a decent level, the cod4 community is filled with retards. This community is even better.
Is RTCW similar to 2.55 patch of ET? I mean shooting wise, no need to crouch so much and so on.
Only because some people want rtcw back is because they got bored of et and they want to play an allready existing game that they are all familiar with, if everybody would start playing rtcw right now, you would have the same shit in 2 years but then the other way around
Unless you have a scientific tool measuring the level of awesomeness of either game it's basically the same as 2 religious retards arguing with each other which faith is the true one, neither is backed up by science, yet they still do it.
So it's all just opinion, I can totally get why some people like the slower pace of et, they can play it on their laptop in a comfy hammock with a coconut drink, no stress there just chill, maybe some ambient music. Also if you have aspirations to become an engineer, et, the great engineering simulator, is the place to be, so many things to blow up and fix.
Greets mate :)
And are you seriously saying that every rtcw player is saying that et is shit because apparently according to you it has "faults"?
'they can play it on their laptop in a comfy hammock with a coconut drink, no stress there just chill, maybe some ambient music.' ? I mean seriously? :D was there even a point to writing that or is this just your 'fun' you previously mentioned?
On a serious note, I do not see an uneven balance when it comes to whine between the 2 communities and I think you are generalizing way too much when it comes to the rtcw community.
anyway stop trolling, it kills puppies!
anyway read what i said. didnt say rtcw is better than ET and if u see my first post here ull see i disagree with ppl who says it. Im just saying if it was an obvious question we wouldnt have 240 msges...