RtCW vs ET
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13 Mar 2013, 19:41
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Hey guys,
No, I'm not writing this journal to start the useless discussion of which game is better, I'm writing this journal because I want to pose a weird question.
Three or four months ago we, the RTCW community, started to see a lot of huge ET names on RTCW. I thought this was normal since there was a well-covered cup starting with a pretty cool stream by Warwitch and such. This isn't really special I know but the weird part comes now: Most of them are still playing and they're enjoying the game which is seriously fucking cool but it's also kind of weird since this isn't the first RTCW cup throughout the last three years. I remember talking with other RTCW players and we all expected that within two or three months we would be back with just the 20 usual guys idling #RTCW.Wars
The question I wanted to ask is quite simple: Why are you guys still playing RTCW after three or four months? And why are most of the ET names I see in our game the BIGGEST ET names ( with the exception of "n0" perhaps). Where are all the medskilled ET players on RTCW? I don't know if you play ET every day or if it's more casual like in RTCW but I can't believe you guys are still spending so much time on ET. For example Night prefers speccing an RTCW 3v3 while he is the god of ET and Sqzz is practicing RTCW trick jumps on his own while he would have 200 Mirc messages if he said "ET merc avi".
So, is it the community? The game itself? The Warwitch casts? The fact that you are not RTCW gods but you want to be? Dts' lovely blowjobs? Something else?
This question is for Night, Sqzz, Razz, Kevin, Olbaa, Clown, Phyzic, Xperia, Scarzy, Abort,Oxy, who are, according to the ET standards, some of the best ET players not to say the best ones out there. I would be glad if you guys could answer here, although I know it's pretty unlikely :)
Please notice that this journal isn't to flame ET or whatever, it's only for my curiosity so avoid the childish and silly comments that are so usual on Crossfire.
cheers!!!
No, I'm not writing this journal to start the useless discussion of which game is better, I'm writing this journal because I want to pose a weird question.
Three or four months ago we, the RTCW community, started to see a lot of huge ET names on RTCW. I thought this was normal since there was a well-covered cup starting with a pretty cool stream by Warwitch and such. This isn't really special I know but the weird part comes now: Most of them are still playing and they're enjoying the game which is seriously fucking cool but it's also kind of weird since this isn't the first RTCW cup throughout the last three years. I remember talking with other RTCW players and we all expected that within two or three months we would be back with just the 20 usual guys idling #RTCW.Wars
The question I wanted to ask is quite simple: Why are you guys still playing RTCW after three or four months? And why are most of the ET names I see in our game the BIGGEST ET names ( with the exception of "n0" perhaps). Where are all the medskilled ET players on RTCW? I don't know if you play ET every day or if it's more casual like in RTCW but I can't believe you guys are still spending so much time on ET. For example Night prefers speccing an RTCW 3v3 while he is the god of ET and Sqzz is practicing RTCW trick jumps on his own while he would have 200 Mirc messages if he said "ET merc avi".
So, is it the community? The game itself? The Warwitch casts? The fact that you are not RTCW gods but you want to be? Dts' lovely blowjobs? Something else?
This question is for Night, Sqzz, Razz, Kevin, Olbaa, Clown, Phyzic, Xperia, Scarzy, Abort,Oxy, who are, according to the ET standards, some of the best ET players not to say the best ones out there. I would be glad if you guys could answer here, although I know it's pretty unlikely :)
Please notice that this journal isn't to flame ET or whatever, it's only for my curiosity so avoid the childish and silly comments that are so usual on Crossfire.
cheers!!!
The cast will have had an effect but it's not the one and only reason like you make it out to be. Apparently, according to yourself, one soldier is just playing for e-fame and the stream but I highly doubt that KiH or any other team feels that the casts are a necessity before they would even consider playing. If we follow your logic then people like Sqzz, Razz and Night would have no reason to play at the moment since they're not in the cup anymore, yet they play every day.
If you think being on a cast brings you efame then that is your own opinion - I didn't say that. You seem to be intent on comparing numbers of viewers, I dont think anyone cares who or how many people watches when they play, a lot of these players never got the chance to be casted by Warwitch as they started RtCW after its prime or didn't attend any major events when he was casting - that alone would be a major attraction to play for anyone.
I mentioned us and KiH purely because we are the oldest teams in the cup who generally play with the same core team (and have done for a long time) with neither team having anything to gain from this cup and even less time to play then we did before - it had to be something special to get us in I am sure. Warwitch provided that with nostalgia and shazam factor. If you cannot see it, you don't want to :)
And the fact that, despite the smaller community, it's of better quality.
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the reason people are playing rtcw is because its something new (yes i know its older than et) but it wasnt being played for years, and all of a sudden theres a revival of the rtcw and its just interesting to some et players since et is becoming stale, its just something new to play which is similar to et.
theres nothing special to it, in a couple of months it will die and people will return to et..its not going to last
People think rtcw takes more skill than et, i think the opposite, just my opinion though :)
The reason I kept playing it is because Rtcw is simply a better teamgame and on top of that the pace is a lot higher than in ET. The game is also less annoying than ET because, if you ignore the panzer and the spam on the first stage of Frostbite, there aren't really any lame and frustating ways to get killed. In ET there are way too many aimheroes who are braindead who lean and backrape non-stop and that's simply infuriating since they're getting rewarded for their dumbed down playstyle. In Rtcw you get rewarded for playing smart, usually.
The community is also a lot nicer and more mature than in ET. There is less flame even though there are a few guys who deserve to get hit in the head with a shovel but they're the expection. In ET you can't play two games in a row without one being infested with 13 year old kurwa-macs who flame and insult all the time.
PS: There is currently only one player in RTCW that I suspect might be cheating whereas in ET you run into blatant aimbotters and wallhackers every two or three games.
Grtz
:D Well put.
Could you go deeper on this, because I still claim the mapdesign takes a huge factor at this point. And to back this up, i take Frostbite. It is the only map that gets played somewhat regularly in both games. In RtCW you are able to set some fast times, just like in W:ET and both are somewhat dynamic.
Correct me, if I am wrong at any point. In both games, the document stage, the positions for defence are comparable, imo. You will have a lieutnant at docs, a few medics around him, 1 or 2 at axis upper respawn, 1 or 2 at axis lower respawn, panzer/rifle freelancing. Maybe the rifle in W:ET is more stickied to a specific position, upper respawn, courtyard and service, depending on the teams. Still, when teams are equally skilled fast times are the norm.
Or is it the gamemechanic itself? To be honest, I didn't experienced this. Firerate is definetly higher.
What do you think?
I also experienced that the pushes and stuff are higher paces, not sure why. The teams play more agressive, atleast from what I've experienced, because they can shoot more due to the faster regenerating of power for the LT's. That way they can give more and faster ammo and set some arties/throw strikes faster.
RtCW maps mostly have long ways to the objective. So, you need more ammo compared to W:ET to be able to hold the stage or to be able to bridge the distance from respawn to flag as an attacker for example.
I would like to see RtCW maps in W:ET being played, like more Frostbite and Base, village; maybe assault and beach.
on rtcw you do the same damage on someone who is standing next to you or if he is standing on the other side of the map. On et this is different.
But then again there's Würzburg:
Radar is one of the best maps in W:ET, delivered great clutch moments and is totally playable in ET, but the second stage is almost long range only. This leads me to the question: Imagine playing radar in RtCW, would the nonexisting DMG-fall-off make the map: unplayable or just as playable as in ET?
Why is radar playable and ice, where the second stage is also open (still diffrent, i know), considered to be not fitting?
Opinions on this are welcome. :)
One thing I can't agree on, atleast not fully. Having an aim-map and players in your team who are able to take advantage of it, doesn't throw away to possibility to get revived after being shot. And having set up a good crossfire (talking about radar here) is a more important than having two (or more) players who are aim-heavy.
But in the end it's all theoretically. : )
1: The firerate, as you mentoined, creates the possibility of firefights being over twice as fast which in its turn makes it possible for pushes with multiple people to get shut down a lot faster or to succeed a lot faster.
2: The no damage fall-off factor combined with the fact that non-medics die after only two headshots compared to three in ET. These create the same efffect as the firerate which I explained above.
Edit: Also, as Ironic mentioned, pushes are a lot more "all in" than they are in ET. A team groups up and everyone pushes at the same time which creates a solid 3/4/5/6 versus 3/4/5/6 situation which is quite hectic and gives the illusion of faster gameplay.
1. Yes, thats probably the biggest factor and can't be changed in W:ET.
2. The damage fall-off can't be changed either. But, one thing i would like to know, how much HP do Medics and NonMedics have in RtCW (all classes 100HP?) or is DMG/hit a bit higher?
Your Edit: This goes back to maplayout again, imo. How/where the chokepoints placed on the map. Try to imagine how you would play base or village in W:ET with no landmines of course. Most likely with grouping up, wait for the call, ... .
That again is why i want base and village being played/tested in W:ET.
Really? ET community has a lot of problems, but I definitely wouldn't count cheaters as one, because I honestly can't even remember when I last would've faced one. I don't do any random 3on3 games or play at public though, so could be that they just stay away from the 6on6 games.
waiting for his answer too
Enjoy playing a "new" game that i have never touched
Met some nice guys playing and enjoy playing with them.
Its more of a "challenge"
Warwitch was another reason great work! me watching the streams made me motivated abit to play i guess?!
Some ET friends started playing
Waiting for DirtyBomb :)
Over here!
The way those pracs were played were absolutely awful, too. Getting camped by the attacking team, random waiting, afking in spawns. It got very frustrating and irritating to play, and I don't think I'll go back unless there's a LAN to play again.
RTCW has a nice balance, where there is bullshit, but it's acceptable bullshit. Teamwork can make a difference and players can make a huge difference. There are bad refined ways that RTCW is played too (yes 118, i'm looking at you and your 5 lts on frostbite) but it still feels more enjoyable and less constricted than ET in so many ways.
I would say in the current way both games are, RTCW is more enjoyable when it comes to playing actively.
I'd rather see people agreeing on how to attract new generations to the games and organize well organized and well covered events.
Less energy to disagreeing, more energy to promoting the game!
It's not like I don't enjoy ET though, I played in a few clans at a half decent level and cast it now as well. I just prefer RTCW, although it could be argued that part of this is because it was the first online-FPS I properly played as well.
Still, would form a team and play in whatever cup comes next without a moments hesitation though. The fun factor has been renewed with the recent cup and all the fantastic coverage!
There are certain startjumps that are impossible in et cause you can't glide the same on brushes and remain your speed to continue. also general strafing feels so different. to me as an rtcw palyer it feels like playing on timescale 0.9 or something
I will continue to watch the streams as I think warwitch is pretty damn entertaining. There have been some quality games too!
Last sunday the fat guy with his nerd glasses was saying "Yeah you can see the nicknames of the enemies upon their head" or something like that. Fucking download ET, play it for a while and then come back with real and elaborated arguments. Otherwise, stop saying shit and do what you can do best: cast RTCW.
Still Warwitch's show's awesome.